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Old 06-25-2013, 01:17 PM   #41
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Except for the fact that it doesn't show him doing any of those things.

The entire page shows him seeing it, stopping and summoning. For all everyone knows, he stopped where he already was.

'5 hand seals and blood'

No one in the history of this series has used hand seals for a summoning since the first summoning to happen in it.

It doesn't show him using any, therefore there isn't proof he did. He bit his thumb and high fived the ground. that's it

Distance in this entire chapter is completely ridiculous anyway. Except for the times when it's 'zoomed out' it looks like there no more than a couple hundred feet apart, when realistically, they are far more than that.

Hashirama didn't outrun sh!t, he saw it and summoned, that's it.
It shows him turn around and noticing it, dude. Then he runs and turns around, also shown. Well, signs are not shown, but he did bite and use the summoning move.
The distance when he noticed the bomb was fairly small, but when he used Rashomon he was far in front of the bomb...
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> Kakashi be pegged down too slow.
> nagato (and by Nagato, I hope you mean Deva Pain) is bumped up a little too high.
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What 'bout KCM Minato? FTL with pure speed troll?
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Devils Lawyer DERP HERP.
Let me ask you. If Hashirama can outrun a Biju dama, right? why did he even bother summoning Rashamon? why not just out run it.
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It shows him turn around and noticing it, dude. Then he runs and turns around, also shown. Well, signs are not shown, but he did bite and use the summoning move.
The distance when he noticed the bomb was fairly small, but when he used Rashomon he was far in front of the bomb...
It doesn't show him running any further than he already was, It shows him seeing it, then stopping. That's it. Nothing of him continuing to outrun it.

And even summoning, considering who he is it's likely that he summoned it fast enough to not matter.

Everything considering, if you look at the zoomed out picture of after it hit the rashoumon, the first door looks like it's at the halfway point between Madara and where Hasi would be at the summoning.

when it shows him running, the bomb is halfway between Madara and Hasi.

Therefore, given what's actually been seen of Hasi's combat speed, he simply stopped and summoned, didn't move, didn't outrun. and like I said, the way distance is shown in close up pictures of the fight is screwy. They don't look like they're more than a couple hundred feet away at any given time
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Precisely Hashirama did not outrun a bijudama at all. It's just DL pulling 'feats' out his ass as per.
Yes, he did.

Chapter 621, page 8

Bijuu bomb is thrown against him. Bijuu bomb is right behind him.

Hashirama seems to be running away from it.

Madara says something.

Hashirama turns around.

He bites his thumb.

He summons 5 Rashomon Gates.

Chapter 621 page 9

Bijuu bomb is still behind all the Rashomon gates!!!
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OMG PEOPLE reaction speed is NOT movement speed. Just stop.

I can react to a car travelling at me at 80mph. Does that mean I can now run 80mph?
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OMG PEOPLE reaction speed is NOT movement speed. Just stop.

I can react to a car travelling at me at 80mph. Does that mean I can now run 80mph?
ITT, yes!
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Yes, he did.

Chapter 621, page 8

Bijuu bomb is thrown against him. Bijuu bomb is right behind him.

Hashirama seems to be running away from it.

Madara says something.

Hashirama turns around.

He bites his thumb.

He summons 5 Rashomon Gates.

Chapter 621 page 9

Bijuu bomb is still behind all the Rashomon gates!!!
^Pretty much this. The fact that the distance between Hashirama and the bomb was WAY LONGER when he used the Gates than when he spotted the bomb , shows us that he DID run forward to make the distance longer and give himself time to turn around and use the Gates.
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OMG PEOPLE reaction speed is NOT movement speed. Just stop.

I can react to a car travelling at me at 80mph. Does that mean I can now run 80mph?
OMG the sounds of anal pain. There is literally a panel of him running with the bijuudama on the same path. That was not reaction speed. Secondly only idiots dont know that reaction speed dominates movement speed in combat.

Like I told you there is cream for your pains.

Lol at trying to downplay that scene that depicts everything from start to finish.
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^Pretty much this. The fact that the distance between Hashirama and the bomb was WAY LONGER when he used the Gates than when he spotted the bomb , shows us that he DID run forward to make the distance longer and give himself time to turn around and use the Gates.
So then that means, when Hasirama summons the Buddha statue and he looks almost face to face with the kyuubi, he really is. then him and the buddha statue magically teleports back like a thousand feet, amirite?

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OMG the sounds of anal pain. There is literally a panel of him running with the bijuudama on the same path. That was not reaction speed. Secondly only idiots dont know that reaction speed dominates movement speed in combat.

Like I told you there is creqm for your pains.

Lol at trying to downplay that scene that depicts everything from start to finish.
Yes, a single pannel of him already running and noticing. Then he reacts in the next one, stopping running then summoning. no show of him continuing to move after seeing it.

All he does is react to it, there is nothing showing him still running for any period of time after.

Therefore, this:

"Everything considering, if you look at the zoomed out picture of after it hit the rashoumon, the first door looks like it's at the halfway point between Madara and where Hasi would be at the summoning.

when it shows him running, the bomb is halfway between Madara and Hasi.

Therefore, given what's actually been seen of Hasi's reaction time, he simply stopped and summoned, didn't move, didn't outrun. and like I said, the way distance is shown in close up pictures of the fight is screwy. They don't look like they're more than a couple hundred feet away at any given time when in reality they are 4 or 5 times that distance away"
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WOOOW so because he ran on the same panel as the Bijudama you have came to the conclusion that he was out running it? then what logical reason did he have for summoning Rashamon. Why not be like "lolno I'll out run it instead of summoning something I don't need to summon DERP"
Oooh right so reaction speed dominates now does it? So does Hashirama's reaction speed suggest that he can move faster than KCM Naruto? oh that's right it doesn't.

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Unless the OP states the specific of what he means by quickness there's no reason to suggest reaction speed is even a variable here. Unless he means quickness based on reaction which isn't specified.

Ya.. no your reaction speed is invalid. But it's ok atleast you know where to find the cream

as soon as the OP specifies reaction speed I will bow down gladly. This could all be because I simply mis-interpreted the relative term of 'quickness' in which case I would neither be wrong or right.
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No Sage Kabuto?

He dodged Susano'o Arrows which from what we saw in the last few chapters is faster then a Rasenshuriken. He pretty much overwhelmed Itachi and Sasuke before getting hit with Izanami.
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So then that means, when Hasirama summons the Buddha statue and he looks almost face to face with the kyuubi, he really is. then him and the buddha statue magically teleports back like a thousand feet, amirite?



Yes, a single pannel of him already running and noticing. Then he reacts in the next one, stopping running then summoning. no show of him continuing to move after seeing it.

All he does is react to it, there is nothing showing him still running for any period of time after.

Therefore, this:

"Everything considering, if you look at the zoomed out picture of after it hit the rashoumon, the first door looks like it's at the halfway point between Madara and where Hasi would be at the summoning.

when it shows him running, the bomb is halfway between Madara and Hasi.

Therefore, given what's actually been seen of Hasi's reaction time, he simply stopped and summoned, didn't move, didn't outrun. and like I said, the way distance is shown in close up pictures of the fight is screwy. They don't look like they're more than a couple hundred feet away at any given time when in reality they are 4 or 5 times that distance away"
You are missing the point when Hashirama turns around to face Bijuu bomb. The ground is made in that while he turned around he grinded the ground.

That would only happen if he was running away and not if he was standing!!!
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The ground was 'grinded' because he was landing after being in mid air. See the page where he uses kuchiyose.

Hashirama jumped before the Panel where the kyuubi charges his TBB. And stays in mid-air until the panel where he 'grinds' the ground.

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Just looks like he turned around and used kuchiyose. Reaction feat at most not a speed feat.

Besides hashirama being that fast wouldnt even make sense.
A blitzed the crap out of madara.

This so called feat would make hashirama faster then A casually which would mean madara shouldve gotten destroyed before he could even do anything.

Besides you see hashirama in mid air the same page he used kuchiyose how would he be outrunning anything?

He was in Mid air and landed. then used kuchiyose. Not anything else. Cant even spot a panel where hashirama 'ran'.

Besides we dont even know the timeframe of the bijuu dama reaching the other cost. Ofcourse it will not be hours. But we cant judge it without that can we?

Please point me the panel where he was 'running'
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You are missing the point when Hashirama turns around to face Bijuu bomb. The ground is made in that while he turned around he grinded the ground.

That would only happen if he was running away and not if he was standing!!!
You guys, really miss the point on just about everything.

So his feet ground on the dirt when he stopped?

That may be simply due to the fact that, idk, he was PREVIOUSLY running. Hashirama was running prior to the bomb being shot, and/or seeing it coming for him.

He saw it, hit the ground, summoned Rashoumon.

He didn't 'outrun' sh*t, He reacted, where he was.

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You know, while he's standing in place and reacting to it, as you say, the bomb is still moving...how didn't it get to him and hit him while he was doing all that ?
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This is how I see this:


And WUT part is what makes me side with Hashirama. That is the image in my head.
FML right? LOL


If he hadn't made the distance longer the TBB would've hit him.

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I edited. If he hadn't done that WUT part, the TBB would've hit him. It takes time for the Gates to appear, too. Maybe a second. My image at least. I don't care anymore.
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