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Old 05-25-2013, 06:20 PM   #1
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Dude, what?

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^ it's most likely their dads

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the dads win for more experience and feats and teaching and being older and chakra
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The kids have shown themselves to be better I mean Ino could talk to everyone telepathically without a machine unlike her father.
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That was different though

Ino's dad
Downside:
-had tech help

Ino's
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-everyone in the alliance was nearby
-the people of alliance decreased due to death
-had her chakra restored by kyubbi

So Ino has doen feats but they don't measure up to her farther


Plus Ino's dad has better mind transfer tech, hence mind disturbance
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Ino's mind transfer is better, Inochi never took control of something as powerful as the Juubi. Ichochi still needed the machine when around the same amount of people Ino talked to where around near his death.

He also never took control of two people at once.
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Dude, what?

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when i said Current, their current mode right now. All grown up ya know
Their Dad's Vs Their Son's and Daughter
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Ino's mind transfer is better, Inochi never took control of something as powerful as the Juubi. Ichochi still needed the machine when around the same amount of people Ino talked to where around near his death.

He also never took control of two people at once.
Inochi's mind transfer is better

You do realize that the zetsu were "dead/K.O" when they were taken over. So it was not that impressive.
So if she tries that with agile and powerful opponents then it will not work

Inochi would own his daughter. He would use mind Disturbance off the bat which would take control of her

I give Ino props for taking over the jubbi but it was for a split second. An the beast was a huge slow target. Hard to miss. Plus the beast is kinda mindless. It is slowly gaining its conscience. And the beast was not expecting it

SO what if the beast was powerful. It could be the most powerful thing in the world. BUt it didn't have a mind.

And the amount of shinobi people were spread out FARTHER and there were MORE people.
When Ino did it she just had kyubbi chakra and there were FEWER people at a CLOSER range

chp610 pg4-Kurama says that "That thing (Jubbi) doesn't have feelings or ideals"

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Inochi's mind transfer is better

You do realize that the zetsu were "dead/K.O" when they were taken over. So it was not that impressive.
So if she tries that with agile and powerful opponents then it will not work

Inochi would own his daughter. He would use mind Disturbance off the bat which would take control of her

I give Ino props for taking over the jubbi but it was for a split second. An the beast was a huge slow target. Hard to miss. Plus the beast is kinda mindless. It is slowly gaining its conscience. And the beast was not expecting it

SO what if the beast was powerful. It could be the most powerful thing in the world. BUt it didn't have a mind.

And the amount of shinobi people were spread out FARTHER and there were MORE people.
When Ino did it she just had kyubbi chakra and there were FEWER people at a CLOSER range

chp610 pg4-Kurama says that "That thing (Jubbi) doesn't have feelings or ideals"
Prince let's not start assuming things, can you prove that Ino's mind transfer wouldn't work on two living more agile targets? No you cannot.

You do not know if the Juubi is mindless the Kyuubu and the other tailed beast are not mindless, so what makes you think that the Juubi is, can you prove that the Juubi is mindless, no you cannot.

And actually when Ino talked to everyone in the army, they no longer had Kyuubu chakra and that still doesn't change that ino was the only one in the army who didn't need a machine to talk to other people telepathically.

Not having feelings or ideals does not mean that you are mindless, it just means that you are heartless and have no goals. Also Ino can use mind disturbance too so I hardly see your point and above that when has Inoichi's mind transfer feats out shined Ino's outside of hype at anytime?
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[QUOTE=Dragon Style;6713512]Prince let's not start assuming things, can you prove that Ino's mind transfer wouldn't work on two living more agile targets? No you cannot.
you cant prove that it would work (the double mind thing that is)

You do not know if the Juubi is mindless the Kyuubu and the other tailed beast are not mindless, so what makes you think that the Juubi is, can you prove that the Juubi is mindless, no you cannot.
it has no ideals or feelings. kurama said so.

And actually when Ino talked to everyone in the army, they no longer had Kyuubu chakra and that still doesn't change that ino was the only one in the army who didn't need a machine to talk to other people telepathically.
okay... but it was under different situations. Ino had to talk to them but they were CLOSER and there was less of them

Not having feelings or ideals does not mean that you are mindless, it just means that you are heartless and have no goals. Also Ino can use mind disturbance too so I hardly see your point and above that when has Inoichi's mind transfer feats out shined Ino's outside of hype at anytime?
when has Ino used mind disturbance?
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Alright prince first off don't start that mess, if she can take over something as powerful as the Jubbi even for a few seconds two living agile people would be cake.

Kurama said that Juubi has no feelings or ideals, not lets see what that means prince.

Ideals- A person or thing regarded as perfect

A standard of perfection; a principle to be aimed at.

Feelings- An emotional state or reaction.

The emotional side of someone's character; emotional responses or tendencies to respond.

No where in those definitions does it have anything to do with thinking
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You do know Ino has not ever used Mind disturbance. I would love to see you prove me wrong on that when you said she did use it. Manga feats only just in case you didn't know/forgot

The issue with mind transfer is that it was a slow tech. That is why people where scared when Ino wanted to use it against Sakura. It was easy to dodge.

The jubbi was not expecting it and it was an easy slow HUGE target and it was only taken over for 2 sec
If you think her father could not do that than that is cray-cray. Yes Inochi has not done something like that but he has not had the opportunity.

The point is


Shikamaru vs his father
(I say Shikamaru can win cuz he can lift his shadows off the ground)

Choji vs Choza
(Choza wins for having more confidence, more expeirecne, having a Bo)

Ino vs Inochi
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Woah...the past I-S-C wins due to decades of experience.
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Are we just completely forgetting the genius of Shikaku? I love shikamaru, but shikaku's mind was indicated by several different instances to being superior.
Experience is the deciding factor here, I will be casting my vote to the past.
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Not only experience but better feats.

The only one wthat would beat them is that Shikamaru could take his dad due to Shadow Stiching.
He can make his shadows lift off the ground while his dad cant

Inochi can use Mind Disturbance...which INo cant

Choza is skilled with a Bo...which Choji isnt
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You do know Ino has not ever used Mind disturbance. I would love to see you prove me wrong on that when you said she did use it. Manga feats only just in case you didn't know/forgot

The issue with mind transfer is that it was a slow tech. That is why people where scared when Ino wanted to use it against Sakura. It was easy to dodge.

The jubbi was not expecting it and it was an easy slow HUGE target and it was only taken over for 2 sec
If you think her father could not do that than that is cray-cray. Yes Inochi has not done something like that but he has not had the opportunity.

The point is


Shikamaru vs his father
(I say Shikamaru can win cuz he can lift his shadows off the ground)

Choji vs Choza
(Choza wins for having more confidence, more expeirecne, having a Bo)

Ino vs Inochi
(Inochi wins with mind disturbance on her or Shikamaru or both)
Sorry I had to cut my answer short because I didn't have much time however, prince just because I've been gone for a while doesn't meant that you can act oblivious I was already explained to and proven a long time ago that Ino's mind transfer tech had gotten much faster and also I would like to point out the fact that you are grasping at strings. I mean really, you're going to try and change the fact that Ino can take over two minds at the same time?

However, the reason I say the new Ino-Shika-Cho wins is because the battle grounds is mainly about feats and the old Ino-Shika-Cho has little to no feats compared to the new one to use.

Ino has out feated her father, Choji has out feated his and Shikamaru has proven himself to be smart more times than his father.

Trying to take away from their success by saying the 10 tails was slow is bogus because now you are trying to down play the 10 tails and on top of that how smart a person is has nothing to do with how long Ino can take control of their minds, their power and strength does, because need a remind you that Sakura was very smart, yet during the written exam she was able to take control of her easily, smarts had nothing to do with her control. However, when Ino was tired and Sakura used her POWER to force her way out, that is when she broke free.
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Ino has never used mind transfer on an agile person. She usually needs help to use it unlike her father.

So what makes you think she is going to do anything against moving targets now?

Her dad has mind disturbance hole you still har not admitted that Ino has not

Choza is just as good if not better than choji. He has a Bo which choji does not. Take away choji' butterfly bomb and he is inferior to his father
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Default Re: Former Ino-Shika-Cho Vs Current Ino-Shika-Cho

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Ino has never used mind transfer on an agile person. She usually needs help to use it unlike her father.

So what makes you think she is going to do anything against moving targets now?

Her dad has mind disturbance hole you still har not admitted that Ino has not

Choza is just as good if not better than choji. He has a Bo which choji does not. Take away choji' butterfly bomb and he is inferior to his father
Prince, when did Inoichi use mind transfer period?

Ino used it on a super powerful opponent, the key to breaking out out mind transfer has nothing to do with smarts it's all about power and will and the 10 tails has plenty of that, she also took control of a bird. Naruto even commented on the speed of her mind transfer and said that she was faster than him.

Shikamaru has shown himself being smart more times than his father and has done more jutsu's than him as well.

Also Choza has ever used is super expatiation jutsu and the human bolder, Choji has done Super expansion, partial expansion, human bolder, expansion jutsu and spiked human bolder.
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Default Re: Former Ino-Shika-Cho Vs Current Ino-Shika-Cho

Good point. Inoichi never used Mind transfer itself like Ino did....but Inoichi uses higher level like Mind Disturbance....yeah know the one that you still have yet to prove that Ino could use. Mind Disturbance surpasses Mind Transfer. Who cares if He has not shown the ability to use Mind Transfer.

Just to be clear Ino did not use Mind Disturbance..EVER! She used Mind Transfer on the jubbi for 2sec. And so what if she used it on the bird? Whats your point? When did Naruto comment that her mind transfer speed was faster than himself!?!?!

I admit that SHikamaru would beat his dad but that is the only one who is beating his father

Choza does not need those jutsu. SUPER EXPANITION is the only thing that matters. They both have a brawl in their forms they had when fighting Gedo Maze. When has Choji shown the ability to use a Bo? That's right Never! Choza can swing his Bo to cause heavy winds and hold Choji at bay. Choji has not shown to use abilities like Spikey human bolder or regular human bolder in his Giant form.

The Point is Inochi has Mind Disturbance which surpasses Ino's tech. Ino Always NEEDS help when she uses mind transfer or for the opponent to stand skill while Inochi does not need that.
Inochi would take control of Ino and make her kill herself

Shikamaru lifts his shadows to kill his father

Choza teaches Choji a lesson with a Bo

Then Inochi goes after Choji to stomp SHikamaru
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