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Old 06-08-2013, 01:14 PM   #121
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She attaches strings while she has strings attached.

Forming and attaching chakra strings is a basic skill for puppet masters, both of them are puppet masters, it's very reasonable to say he can do it as well. Any way, even if we discount it, Neji is still not going to be able to behind and strike a puppet's string without getting hit, and certainly not 100 of them. Neji gets overwhelmed and killed.
He can if they get disarmed which will be easy with rotation since they all mindlessly attack in large numbers. These things are dumber and slower than white zetzus.
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Actually, she didn't have the string on Hiruko's tail anymore when she attached the string to Sakura. And she still wasn't attacking, so case in point.

Like I said before, 64 palms, rotation, then 64 palms again. There goes all the puppets. He was able to counter spiders coming in all directions, so its not totally impossible for him to do the same with the puppets. And if Sasori tries to reconnect any of the strings, he leaves himself open for Neji to strike his heart and he will lose.
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To break the string you have to strike it, itself, simply hitting the puppet wouldn't work.

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They are not dumb, they didn't blindly charge into they were pulled in. Each is control by Sasoi he choses how to fight with them. Plus how does Rotation disarm them?
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Exactly, he'll aim for the strings instead of the puppets for each attack. It's as effective as oneshotting them.

And now that I think about it Neji could just airpalm Sasori to mess up his control completely.
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Aiming for the strings means he has to strike at the back of a puppet, meaning he as to maneuver meaning he can't use rotation or cover his blind spot. He will get killed in the attempt to take out the puppets.

Airpalm strikes organs it's not meant to disrupt chakra and it's range is an unknown.
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He'll use rotation when his 64 palms is over and Sasori won't be able to make use of the blind spot to his advantage, because not only does he not have knowledge but his attacks (mainly his puppets) are too big to fit in. It takes the size of a kunai to fit in completely.

It'll still mess up Sasori's attacks especially if it pushes him back, and it went far enough in range to damage a number of white zetsu. Even so, I doubt the range to too short to reach Sasori.
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If he tries for the full 64 strikes he will get hit and he has to maneuver to strike at the strings during that time he is open to getting hit as well. He can not protect his blind spot and move at the same time. Puppets can approach his blindside, he won't be able to stop them all.

Air palm isn't a kill shot and would only knock him back. Once the puppet army is up it's unlikely he'd get the opening to use it.

Neji isn't going to be able to cope with the numbers coming at him.
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Old 06-08-2013, 02:44 PM   #128
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I already said this. I said the puppets weapons would get disarmed by rotation in a previous post that got ignored or forgotten. Just forget it. Sasori supporters are insufferable and stubborn to the point where they make baseless assumptions. You can even say they're idiots.

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Sasori doesn't have smoke bombs and smoke gas is useless here. Flamethrower was used off panel and the range on it is nonexistent. 100 puppets don't even have poison coated weapons.

Sasori has a very limited supply of everything.
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@Mega So How is Neji going to cut the puppet strings when each puppet is capable of taking him on in full CCQ like a normal human?

He is going to continuously 64 palms and rotate? Neji doesn't have that much stamina.. Iirc overusing byakugan like that really messed him up in the war.

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Like I said before, 64 palms, rotation, then 64 palms again. There goes all the puppets. He was able to counter spiders coming in all directions, so its not totally impossible for him to do the same with the puppets. And if Sasori tries to reconnect any of the strings, he leaves himself open for Neji to strike his heart and he will lose.
uhm.. The only reason he could take all the spiders is because they could be one shotted. Neji can't one shot puppets.on top of that, Each one is capable of blocking Nejis strikes, striking back, etc. they aren't fodder spiders. Rotation does absolutely nothing but prolong his death.
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@Mega So How is Neji going to cut the puppet strings when each puppet is capable of taking him on in full CCQ like a normal human?

He is going to continuously 64 palms and rotate? Neji doesn't have that much stamina.. Iirc overusing byakugan like that really messed him up in the war.

uhm.. The only reason he could take all the spiders is because they could be one shotted. Neji can't one shot puppets.on top of that, Each one is capable of blocking Nejis strikes, striking back, etc. they aren't fodder spiders. Rotation does absolutely nothing but prolong his death.
Key word, normal human. Remember that he specializes in CQC, which is the puppet's downfall. The Hyuga style is superior to the taijutsu that normal humans use, no less than puppets conterolled by Sasori. Dodge, string cut.

Well against Kidomaru he used 64 palms twice (and almost a third time), used rotation twice, and was still able to put up a fight after being gravely injured. And this was all PTS. If anything he's a total stamina freak. And in the war, Neji was using his Byakugan all day and night long and he was one of the first people up for the front lines. That was a totally different situation. Here its not like the fight will drag on for 24 hours.

Like I said before, he doesn't need to one shot them. He just needs to alternatively cut off the chakra strings. Which is just as effective as one shotting. Rotation would serve as a good backup for when he uses 64 palms the first time to knock out the first 64 puppets. And like topchef said, Rotation would also disarm them. From there he just uses 64 palms again to finish off the rest.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:28 PM   #130
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The worst part for Neji is he specializes in internal damage but that is useless against 100 puppets. What people are saying in Neji's defense is pretty much that he will evade poison gas and flamethrower while disconnecting every puppet's chakra string all 100 of them, at the same time. This battle is just how long will it take Sasori to kill Neji.
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The worst part for Neji is he specializes in internal damage but that is useless against 100 puppets. What people are saying in Neji's defense is pretty much that he will evade poison gas and flamethrower while disconnecting every puppet's chakra string all 100 of them, at the same time. This battle is just how long will it take Sasori to kill Neji.
Sasori has very limited poison gas and flamethrower fuel. The range on the flamethrower is nonexistent since it was never even shown. Only the Kazekage puppet has poison gas and even that was limited. Neji has lasted in battle far longer than Sasori has used poison gas and needles.

Neji's 64 palms are powerful dude. Chapter 194 page 4

He knocked a dude through a thick tree. He can easily break puppets with his palms.

This is what the problem is.

People ASSUME Sasori can spam poison gas when he can't.

People ASSUME Sasori can spam poison needles when he can't.

People ASSUME all Sasori's puppets have poison gas when the Kazekage puppet was only shown using it

People ASSUME Sasori' s 100 puppets all have poison coated weapons when Sasori nor Chiyo or Sakura said they had poison. It wasn't even indicated in the artwork.

People don't understand that Neji has lasted in battle far longer than Sasori has used poison based attacks. Even the main threat which is iron sand is banned and people still just don't get it.

Sasori would stomp if he had iron sand because that's something he can actually spam but its restricted here.

All Sasori has really are 100 puppet and Neji has counters to them. He has 360 vision, reflexes superior to Sakura's, aoe that will disarm and maybe even tear the puppets arms off, and tree crushing 64 palms that can take out like 64 puppets and throw rotation in there and bam, Neji is soloing those puppets.

To the people wanking Sasori's puppets' durability, show me a feat of them tanking anything or at least requiring multiple hits to be broken.

They were all getting 1 shotted by Sakura and Chiyo's puppets and Neji's palms are strong enough to send a guy flying trough a thick tree. Trees are more sturdy and durable then puppets. Only Kankuro's salamander has shown any durability feats and even that wasn't that impressive. Blocking kunai isn't enough.

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Neji isn't going to be able to one hit the puppets. We've been over this his only hope for that is to get behind one and cut the string, he may get a few, but he'll get injured in the process a few more then death.

Your refference is for the full 64 hits, he's not going to be able to strike anything that many times.

You are desperately trying to overpower Neji's rotation, at best he would knock puppets back.

Neji is certainly not going to be able to 64 palm and down 64 puppets. That is just ridiculous thought.

Neji put's up a good fight, but honestly he'd have to get a full 64 strikes on Hiruko just to hope to destroy it.

Neji dies at the end. Sasori wins.
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Sasori has very limited poison gas and flamethrower fuel. The range on the flamethrower is nonexistent since it was never even shown. Only the Kazekage puppet has poison gas and even that was limited. Neji has lasted in battle far longer than Sasori has used poison gas and needles.

Neji's 64 palms are powerful dude. Chapter 194 page 4

He knocked a dude through a thick tree. He can easily break puppets with his palms.
Neji has a limited amount of stamina while Sasori can just keep fighting, Neji will not be able to stop the 100 puppets and destroy Sasori's heart container. I am not saying the Flamethrower will burn Neji I am saying that if Neji get close then sasori start up flamethrower(Ch. 271 p. 15 Sasori starts fire p.17 he sends his spear across the field to where his fire was, you can't really calculate it but that is certainly not a short distance.) Neji dodges it and flies into an ambush of puppets. Those puppets aren't like fodder Zetsu or like Naruto's shadow clones, if those puppets even remotely scratch Neji he is done for.
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Neji isn't going to be able to one hit the puppets. We've been over this his only hope for that is to get behind one and cut the string, he may get a few, but he'll get injured in the process a few more then death.

Your refference is for the full 64 hits, he's not going to be able to strike anything that many times.

You are desperately trying to overpower Neji's rotation, at best he would knock puppets back.

Neji is certainly not going to be able to 64 palm and down 64 puppets. That is just ridiculous thought.

Neji put's up a good fight, but honestly he'd have to get a full 64 strikes on Hiruko just to hope to destroy it.

Neji dies at the end. Sasori wins.
Who ever said Neji had to hit something 64 times to send them flying through trees? He forced Kidomaru into the tree and the final hit knocked him through it. He CAN break the puppets and you saying he can't is just bs. Again show me some durability feats from these puppets because I'm tired of your nonsense.

Neji 64 palmed a swarm of spiders surrounding him from all directions so why is it so hard to believe he can do it with puppets too? Sakura was punching their lights out without trouble so of course a Neji can based on feats.

How the hell am I desperately trying to overpower rotation? It makes craters in the ground and sends everything flying away. It most definitely can disarm puppets who don't even have muscles to grip their swords. If you swing a sword at a chakra barrier spinning so fast it makes craters in the ground and send projectiles flying then it sure as hell will disarm the puppets.

Everything you're saying is nonsense. 64 palms can crush featless puppets so get over it. Let me know when the puppets get actual durability feats because what we seen were them getting smashed like cheap toys. They're not made of metal or diamond..

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You're not listening. Sasori has a very limited amount of weapons and flamethrower fuel. Sasori can't keep fighting if he runs out of weapons. He ran out of puppets and ranged attacks so he desperately tried to attack Chiyo with a sword and Neji would straight outclass him cqc.

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You are comparing fragile spiders to sturdy puppets? No. 64 palms will not work.

Cutting the strings equivalent to 1 shotting puppets? Sure. Just get behind each and every puppet 1 by 1 without being scratched by a poison blade. Sounds so simple for people in Neji's favor. By the time he cuts the second puppet's string, Sasori will simply reattach the strings to the first puppet he lost

Are you forgetting? Sasori can reattach strings. He can't reattach strings to a puppet that Sakura completely destroyed. He CAN however reattached strings to an undamaged puppet with no strings. Your logic is flawed.
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You are comparing fragile spiders to sturdy puppets? No. 64 palms will not work.

Cutting the strings equivalent to 1 shotting puppets? Sure. Just get behind each and every puppet 1 by 1 without being scratched by a poison blade. Sounds so simple for people in Neji's favor. By the time he cuts the second puppet's string, Sasori will simply reattach the strings to the first puppet he lost

Are you forgetting? Sasori can reattach strings. He can't reattach strings to a puppet that Sakura completely destroyed. He CAN however reattached strings to an undamaged puppet with no strings. Your logic is flawed.
You haven't read anything I said. Just stop posting.

100 puppets don't have poison coated blades or durability feats.

Neji's palms knocked a guy through a thick tree, he can break the puppets. Just stop posting on this thread.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:30 AM   #137
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You haven't read anything I said. Just stop posting.

100 puppets don't have poison coated blades or durability feats.

Neji's palms knocked a guy through a thick tree, he can break the puppets. Just stop posting on this thread.
You should follow your own advice honey bun <3 Countered all of your arguments but you fail to respond so I'm bouta just take it as concession

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Key word, normal human. Remember that he specializes in CQC, which is the puppet's downfall. The Hyuga style is superior to the taijutsu that normal humans use, no less than puppets conterolled by Sasori. Dodge, string cut.

Well against Kidomaru he used 64 palms twice (and almost a third time), used rotation twice, and was still able to put up a fight after being gravely injured. And this was all PTS. If anything he's a total stamina freak. And in the war, Neji was using his Byakugan all day and night long and he was one of the first people up for the front lines. That was a totally different situation. Here its not like the fight will drag on for 24 hours.

Like I said before, he doesn't need to one shot them. He just needs to alternatively cut off the chakra strings. Which is just as effective as one shotting. Rotation would serve as a good backup for when he uses 64 palms the first time to knock out the first 64 puppets. And like topchef said, Rotation would also disarm them. From there he just uses 64 palms again to finish off the rest.
...Mega what the hell. CqC is in no way a puppets downfall. They we engaging in high speed Taijutsu/kenjutsu fights with eachother. Mega it's only superior because they don't have to actually land real blows. because they can do damage to humans with slight touches and even against a blocking enemy. But puppets won't take internal damage..

Well I can't find the Zetsu pages for the life of me so Ill just give you that.

He can't cut the chakra strings because each puppet is capable of engaging him CqC. They aren't mindless dolls like you and topchef make them out to be.
286 page 6. Please tell me CqC is a puppets downfall after seeing that

64 palms is not going to knock out 64 puppets in one go.. How many times have I said this Neji doesn't have that power. He can't get that forward momentum either doing palms the same way as he did on the spiders. And each one can fight him as an actual person would
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You haven't read anything I said. Just stop posting.

100 puppets don't have poison coated blades or durability feats.

Neji's palms knocked a guy through a thick tree, he can break the puppets. Just stop posting on this thread.
100 puppets don't need poison or durability feats, cause Chiyo and Sasori said so. It's like saying 3rd Hokage doesn't know every Konoha jutsu cause he hasn't shown the feat, even though several people said so. Are you really that dumb? Saying something is equivalent to a feat. Why would Sasori or Chiyo lie?

Neji palmed a HUMAN through a tree cause of their circulatory system... it's not like a shinra tensei or anything, it's all to do with internal force which will not work on puppets. (which is irrelevant because he doesn't have an antidote to even hit a puppet? derp.) Sakura was currently using an antidote while fighting off those puppets. Did you forget that?

You tell me to stop posting on this thread but you can't even counter anyone properly Neji has had more screen time so of course he has shown more "feats". Brief descriptions of Sasori alone should be enough.
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The hundred puppets have poison as Chiyo said Sasori poisons all of his weapons, since she never went back on that you have no reason to think otherwise. End of discussion.

The hundred puppets have the same durability as any normal puppet. Meaning they are not getting smashed by one of Neji's strikes, it would take multiple to do serious damage.

Neji gets overwhelmed and dies. Your only defense is rotation and you're trying to stretch it to not only disarming the puppets, but also say it would destroy them, both of those thoughts are fallacies and entirely unsubstantiated. Sasori wins.
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I guess the Akatsuki base boulder also has no durability feats since Sakura "1 shotted it" I guess Neji can just air palm in though
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