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Old 06-07-2013, 11:28 PM   #101
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You have it wrong; the puppets are not weak on the durability side. Each puppet in Sasori's army is more sturdy than a human. Sakura's punches can destroy boulders so of course a puppet would cave. Trying to beat a puppet with brute force is meaningless unless you have super strength or a destructive jutsu, neither which Neji has.

If you look at Kankuro's puppets then it's obvious that they are too durable to air palms or taijutsu. All you can do to a puppet is avoid it and try to aim for the user, which Sasori will be out of reach so that is a major blind spot covered.
Sasori's puppets don't have durability feats. Stop making up feats. Kankuro's puppet have an iron shield, Sasori' s 100 puppets don't. They were getting cleaved in half like butter by chiyo's puppets.
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Old 06-08-2013, 03:36 AM   #102
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You are making up feats all the same by saying that they AREN'T durable. Why would Sasori have puppets weaker than what Kankuro has? Sasori always mentions that a puppet is only as strong as its weakest joint and that the sturdniness of his puppets are of first class. Sasori is the damn best puppeteer in the world, why would he have puppets weaker than every other puppet? He said that quality > quantity so that's enough proof that they are no useless puppets in his technique. Stop saying something isn't a feat just because it wasn't shown, when it's obvious that is can happen. It's like saying that the 3rd Hokage can't use shadow clones just because he has never done it, even though he said he knows EVERY jutsu in Konoha, therefore verifying that statement. What Sasori stated about his sturdy puppets is equivalent to this. Saying that it's not a "feat" is pointless whether you like it or not, when it's so obvious that it doesn't need to be.
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You are making up feats all the same by saying that they AREN'T durable. Why would Sasori have puppets weaker than what Kankuro has? Sasori always mentions that a puppet is only as strong as its weakest joint and that the sturdniness of his puppets are of first class. Sasori is the damn best puppeteer in the world, why would he have puppets weaker than every other puppet? He said that quality > quantity so that's enough proof that they are no useless puppets in his technique. Stop saying something isn't a feat just because it wasn't shown, when it's obvious that is can happen. It's like saying that the 3rd Hokage can't use shadow clones just because he has never done it, even though he said he knows EVERY jutsu in Konoha, therefore verifying that statement. What Sasori stated about his sturdy puppets is equivalent to this. Saying that it's not a "feat" is pointless whether you like it or not, when it's so obvious that it doesn't need to be.
What you said about me making up feats made no sense at all. Sasori's Hiruko, Kazekage puppet, and 100 puppets literally have no durability feats. They all got 1 shotted by punches and cleaved in half like butter by chiyo's puppets. You guys just assume the puppets are durable because "they're Sasori's puppets." That's called wanking and feats speak louder than fans and they're nonexistent here.

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Old 06-08-2013, 04:52 AM   #104
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They "got 1 shotted by punches" that could destroy a giant boulder guarding an Akatsuki base. Did you forget that Sakura has insane strength? We are not assuming that they are durable for being Sasori's puppets, we are assuming that ALL puppets in general are durable because they have been seen to be. Sasori is the best, so why would he have weaker puppets than everyone else? That doesn't make any sense. Also, when Sakura "1 shotted" those puppets, she would have normally died without an antidote.
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Really lovin' the downplay of Sasori's puppets. One shotted by Sakura and cleaved by Chikamatsu's puppets.. Thing is neji can't actually do either of those things

Air palm.. we assume it causes internal damage.. but for a puppet there isn't anything to damage internally. Only air palm we've seen with the potential to actually do some damage is Hinata amped on kurama-roids or Hiashi's double air palm

Gentle fist also causes internal damage.. doesn't help him destroy puppets there. In fact, it would be suicide for him if he tried to engage puppets in CQC.

Rotation.. its not an offensive move in the first place. Naruto had.. small scratches on him after he got hit with it. Not doin jack to puppets. Almost anyone hit by Sakura's punches or chikamatsu attacks would be in pieces.

All three of Neji's main attacks are useless against puppets. And Neji is supposed to take this with ease? Please enlighten me

The only puppet he stands any chance against is hiruko but he can't even destroy it.

EDIT: Alright so 64 palms can destroy puppets. but he cant take down that many puppets with 64 palms,he'll wear himself out and it also leaves him vulnerable as he uses the attack. He wouldn't even be able to use it on the 100 puppets because there's so many and he can't even complete the 64 palms before its interrupted.

If he used it on hiruko he'd just get hit by one of his other arm mechanisms or iron tail.
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Old 06-08-2013, 06:23 AM   #106
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Let me know when Sasori's puppets get actual durability feats. Until then everything you guys are saying is nothing but baseless assumptions.

Neji knocked a guy through a thick tree and makes craters in the ground just by spinning but you guys just continue to downplay those feats.
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Why don't you counter my post then?

Rotation makes craters in the ground because of abrasive properties.. That's not impressive at all.. Again, Naruto had small scratches on him. No blood, didn't even break skin.

Neji knocked him through a tree after 32+ of his fastest and most powerful strikes. He wont be able to get off that many hits before being interrupted by one of the other 99 puppets. Sakura could have taken the whole tree down with one punch, that's why Neji's fighting style is so ineffective against puppets

One reason why he didn't have as much trouble killing the spiders is because he could one shot them and move on to the next spider before he was blindsided. He can't one shot these puppets

Idk why you assume that since they have no durability feats they can just be broken with no effort. They are reinforced human corpses.

You also assume they are just mindless puppets that will just run straight into rotation when in fact Sasori controls them all at will. Did you not see how the puppets actually had extremely fastf CqC sequences with eachother?
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:16 AM   #108
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Sasori's puppets are basically weapons, sharp weapons, who do we know uses sharp weapons? Oh Tenten, that's right! And who used her weapons to help a pts Neji practice and nearly perfect his rotation? Tenten again! Last time I checked, weapoor ns are pushed away by wind, so as long as he can use air palms and to keep the weapons at bay, he can look for an opening to finish him.
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Yes he can push some of the away, but you really think that he's going to get an opening through 100 of them? He isn't going to be able to keep 100 enemies at bay and none of his attacks will destroy the puppets in a single hit. If he can't kill a puppet how's he getting past 100 of them? Answer: He's not. Neji will put up a good fight, but he gets overwhelm and massacred. That's how this fight ends, with Neji losing and Sasori winning.
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Rotation? That alone will prevent him from being overwhelmed. I believe that his gentle fist should be able to cut the strings to the puppets, correct? He may not have to destroy the puppets, just cut the chakara strings.
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If Neji had some help he could potentially wins this. Neji can kill Sasori by getting up close to his heart and blowing it out but Neji won't be able to get that close to Sasori before being killed. There are too many attacks Neji has to worry about smoke bombs, poison gas, 100 puppets, and flamethrower.
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Sasori's puppets are basically weapons, sharp weapons, who do we know uses sharp weapons? Oh Tenten, that's right! And who used her weapons to help a pts Neji practice and nearly perfect his rotation? Tenten again! Last time I checked, weapoor ns are pushed away by wind, so as long as he can use air palms and to keep the weapons at bay, he can look for an opening to finish him.
I already said this. I said the puppets weapons would get disarmed by rotation in a previous post that got ignored or forgotten. Just forget it. Sasori supporters are insufferable and stubborn to the point where they make baseless assumptions. You can even say they're idiots.

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Sasori doesn't have smoke bombs and smoke gas is useless here. Flamethrower was used off panel and the range on it is nonexistent. 100 puppets don't even have poison coated weapons.

Sasori has a very limited supply of everything.

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Neji really doesn't have to oneshot them at all. He could cut off the chakra threads instead each time he attacks.
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He can't cut the threads in rotation so he's be exposed to counter attacks while cutting threads, and a chakra thread can be reformed he's not going to be able to hit all of them before they start getting back up. Like I said, Neji puts up a good fight, but is overwhelmed by sheer numbers and killed. Sasori wins.
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Since when can Sasori reform chakra threads while controlling other puppets? If he's gonna reform them he'll have to stop moving his other puppets for a second, at that moment he's vulnerable.
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It's a basic puppet skill to attach strings on things, we saw Chiyo do it several times. We have no indication that he'd have to stop fighting to reform the strings.
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But Chiyo never did it while controlling other puppets. There's no indication that the strings could be reattached while controlling other puppets.
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She had strings attached to Saruka and attached strings to Hiruko's tail.
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Both times while she wasn't attacking with other puppets.

And besides, even if Chiyo could do it, that doesn't necessarily mean that Sasori can do it as well. That's like saying Hiashi could use a giant Kaiten so Neji could as well.
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Old 06-08-2013, 01:06 PM   #120
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Default Re: Neji vs Sasori

She attaches strings while she has strings attached.

Forming and attaching chakra strings is a basic skill for puppet masters, both of them are puppet masters, it's very reasonable to say he can do it as well. Any way, even if we discount it, Neji is still not going to be able to behind and strike a puppet's string without getting hit, and certainly not 100 of them. Neji gets overwhelmed and killed.
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