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Old 12-14-2013, 08:11 AM   #1
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I'm not really all that familiar with Sage Kabuto's feats, so I really don't know all he can do while casting aside the things you restricted.
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^He has all of the sound 5 powers + sage mode enhancement.
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A improved version of orochimarus manda and other snake jutsus(like body shedding)
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Alright then. I'm going to go and use this logic.

Itachi and Sasuke being two different characters entirely, the only reason why they didn't Destroy Kabuto with things like Totsuka blade and Arrows is because they didn't want to kill him due to the Edo Tensei lurking about. Nagato having almost no restrictions, there are many things he can do to kill Kabuto, though I'd probably give it to Kabuto because he has more variety of abilities. Kabuto has too many healing abilities as well. Plus, even though he doesn't have white rage, he can still get Nagato into the sound jutsu by using Tayuya, since Nagato has shown to be weak to sound jutsu in the past where he fought Jiraiya with Ma and Pa.
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Nagato takes this. He doesn't need CT to take down kabuto. It would have been better to not restrict anything from kabuto to make things more fair. But nagato would still win either way.

Edit: Shouldn't Edo Tensei be restricted? If not, kabuto takes this.

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What's Nagato's counter for Kabuto's sound based Genjutsu?
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huh I'm confused......

You're Right

Nagato/Pain has already shown weakness to sound based genjutsu so this fight can go either way.

But I still believe Nagato wins
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Kabuto will use the flute. then it is basically over.
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Nagato will be troublesome for Kabuto because he's dealing with all the bodies in a single body (but faster and stronger) whose also got other skills.  Nagato, with sensing, can sense chakra pressure. So he'll be able to use well timed Preta counters and be prepared for any chakra attack abd linked eyes due to the summonings.

Nagato's already witnessed sound genjutsu and has shown to do anything he can to stop it. Just like before as Kabuto prepares for the jutsu he can use bansho tennin to stop it or just use a massive shinra tensei to hit Kabuto with and get some distance to recover.

Also I Remember, Tayuya's genjutsu is based on sound. Shinra Tensei like Temari's fan should be able to counter it.lol
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Nagato will be troublesome for Kabuto because he's dealing with all the bodies in a single body (but faster and stronger) whose also got other skills.  Nagato, with sensing, can sense chakra pressure. So he'll be able to use well timed Preta counters and be prepared for any chakra attack abd linked eyes due to the summonings.

I'm sorry but you're going to need feats before you start making up hypothetical counters for Nagato. First of all:

Chapter 378, page 11. -
Three paths of pain (one of those specifically being the preta path) have the frog song genjutsu 'thrown' straight at them. At no point does preta path at all detect the genjutsu, in fact he's completely oblivious to it at all and never even realized it happened. Preta path cannot counter or prevent sound-based genjutsu at all from happening. Not to mention I don't see why you would even consider Preta path abilities being able to protect Nagato in the first place.


Nagato's already witnessed sound genjutsu and has shown to do anything he can to stop it. Just like before as Kabuto prepares for the jutsu he can use bansho tennin to stop it or just use a massive shinra tensei to hit Kabuto with and get some distance to recover.

Unless you can show me some feats which prove that Nagato can prevent or kill Kabuto before giving him a chance to prepare Tayuya, this point is completely irrelevant.

Also I Remember, Tayuya's genjutsu is based on sound. Shinra Tensei like Temari's fan should be able to counter it.lol
How's Nagato going to counter the genjutsu once he's already in it? Oh, he's not. He'll be receiving a chakra scapel through the face.
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What makes you think Nagato is just going to stand still while Kabuto whips out his flute? He can play through Shinra Tensei?

For that matter, the sound based genjutsu used against Pain was.... much stronger than Tayuya's flute, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that was only against a couple of the paths, not the full power Nagato. If Itachi and Sasuke were able to still perform a genjutsu on each other to snap out of Tayuya's flute, what's stopping Naraka Path or Human Path from doing the same, in a much more convenient spot in his mind?

I'm just saying, the flute argument is too overdone. By your logic, Tayuya should be able to take on Madara and Nagato both, if it's simply flute-gg.

AND even if it does work, it's just a demonic chain. Nagato won't be able to move his body. That's not exactly new to him... He still has all of his abilities like Shinra and Preta Path, nor does it get rid of his Rinnegan mind powers.

Hell, Shikamaru countered the flute by simply plugging his ears. >_>
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Even if Nagato cannot move from her genjutsu couldn't he still dispel Tayuya's attacks the same way he did like Deva Path pain?

When Pain was just standing there while dispelling a point blank Rasen Shuriken Rasengan thrown from Naruto..

Or when he devestated the whole area with a Deva Push just standing there when Kakashi was about to hit him again with a point blank Chidori strike..
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Because ST, he can go underground. He is faster, In order to use what he did with Konoha, he had to rise up to the air. What would prevent him from being slithering to Nagato and socking him in the jaw before that happens?
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Because ST, he can go underground. He is faster, In order to use what he did with Konoha, he had to rise up to the air. What would prevent him from being slithering to Nagato and socking him in the jaw before that happens?
Because a punch will KO Nagato?

I mean, come on, this dude reacted to BM Naruto and Killer Bee both, and grabbed them, even though KB was coming from his blind spot. Extra hands are a pain.
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can Nagato fly?

I remember the Deva path could fly sooo
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Probably. Even if he can't, which I don't see why he shouldn't be able to, he has summons to fly on.
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Because a punch will KO Nagato?

I mean, come on, this dude reacted to BM Naruto and Killer Bee both, and grabbed them, even though KB was coming from his blind spot. Extra hands are a pain.
Where did I say KO? If he is so focused on that ST and rises, then this would prevent it. Because all of his mega powerful ST that would prove deadly to him have resulted in him going in the air.

He can react yes, but this would then prevent a ST. Since he has to cut off all paths, meaning chakra on one thing. So he would not be able to do the mech arm since he has to focus all on that one this. And after that he is left open for attack like Deva.

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can Nagato fly?

I remember the Deva path could fly sooo
Theoretically yes. Has he done it? No, it can be assumed he can since Deva floated n the air, but never showed it. But it would be the same with Madara using Ama, since you need to be able to use Ama to have a Sasunoo, thus he can do it. Just never showed it. It is in the same sense.

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Probably. Even if he can't, which I don't see why he shouldn't be able to, he has summons to fly on.
Yes, and the summons are instant. No hand signs needed. Or that is how it is with non human r body summons, he is able to do it like with the Summon or animal path.


That is also a good way to win. But then you have Manda MKII.

The two big wins are flute and Manda. That is the only big winning moves I see. He has others, but those are the biggest. Manda 2 was big enough to constrict the turle, thus is far bigger then any of the summons Nagato has shown from what I see. I can be incorrect on this however.

End result, anything like CT or ST are too much of a risk for someone of Nagato to even try to use. If he fails at all, he is open. Nuff said. However, he will use other things. Like Chimp and I where talking on Skype, Chimp brought up the soul dragon and what not. So he has other things, just he wont use something that might not kill Kabuto and risk leaving him open. It would not be smart.

EDIT: However, iirc his other paths where useful after using ST. So he might still have his powers to us. But if being in one body effected the same with Deva for what ever godly reason, then I don't think it would be smart. But I just remembered that.
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What makes you think Nagato is just going to stand still while Kabuto whips out his flute? He can play through Shinra Tensei?

For that matter, the sound based genjutsu used against Pain was.... much stronger than Tayuya's flute, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that was only against a couple of the paths, not the full power Nagato. If Itachi and Sasuke were able to still perform a genjutsu on each other to snap out of Tayuya's flute, what's stopping Naraka Path or Human Path from doing the same, in a much more convenient spot in his mind?

I'm just saying, the flute argument is too overdone. By your logic, Tayuya should be able to take on Madara and Nagato both, if it's simply flute-gg.

AND even if it does work, it's just a demonic chain. Nagato won't be able to move his body. That's not exactly new to him... He still has all of his abilities like Shinra and Preta Path, nor does it get rid of his Rinnegan mind powers.

Hell, Shikamaru countered the flute by simply plugging his ears. >_>
Oh, I don't at all, I was simply getting the debate started. However, my point is that I don't see how Nagato prevents him from bringing out the flute or kills him before he has a chance to.

Do you have proof that two individual paths could communicate with each other within his mind and snap him out of the genjutsu? If not..

However, I'm fully aware that without his sound based genjutsu, Kabuto loses a straight-up battle against Nagato. My point is, Nagato has shown to be susceptible to sound based genjutsu which would cost him the match. No don't try and twist my argument please Kabuto's killed before he even preps flute vs Madara

That's a good point actually. However, I'm sure ST wouldn't be very relevant in this fight when Nagato's opponent can liquify his body. Regardless of what he does, Nagato is still stuck and would be facing a barrage of attacks. I don't see what's stopping Kabuto from physically killing Nagato whilst stuck. His only defense would be Deva path (ST) and like I said before, it wont have much effect against an opponent who would just liquefy their body.

Yeah but you must be forgetting the part where Shikamaru had clear knowledge of Tayuya's abilities. I could just as easily point out that both Itachi and Sasuke were caught within the very same genjutsu.

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Even if Nagato cannot move from her genjutsu couldn't he still dispel Tayuya's attacks the same way he did like Deva Path pain?

When Pain was just standing there while dispelling a point blank Rasen Shuriken Rasengan thrown from Naruto..

Or when he devestated the whole area with a Deva Push just standing there when Kakashi was about to hit him again with a point blank Chidori strike..
He could try.. but techniques like ST aren't doing much against Kabuto when he can liquefy.
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