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Old 06-08-2013, 09:24 PM   #41
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Animal path can span summons, so maybe he gets a kirin or two off, but they willl be deflected and he will have to deal with the incomming threat from the summons. Remember naruto had his summonings fight pains, so he didn't have to, sasuke needs to have a summoning to fight them, and from what I've seen, he doesn't. Not only that but missle and lazar spam, along with the human path who was appartenly well known for his speed feats. will crush him. Deva path can laugh and push/pull sasuke into the others attacks. This fight would overwhelm sasuke after a couple minutes
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Maybe.

Preta Path dodged SM punch. Natural energy defeated him.
ASura Path was destroyed by sudden blitz the same path that intercepted Kakashi's raikiri dash.
Animal Path was swallowed and then destroyed. Human Path got destroyed by FRS expansion.
Only Hell Path got destroyed by clone ambush which is nothing to be ashamed of because nearly nobody else would have been able to survive that.

SM speed didn't exactly help him here other than Asura Path.

Also DEva Path when fully focused by Nagato was able to outpace KN6 and he reacted to its blitz attempt.
All of those paths were destroyed using standard offensive attacks. I am arguing against the fact that Shinra Tensei and Preta path would not be able to protect all of the paths of pain from being attacked and destroyed. Your examples helped to prove this claim. Sasuke has the offensive capabilities to destroy the other paths, so conceding the fact that the others are vulnerable to attacks without having to be speed blitzed just about ends the debate.
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Animal path can span summons, so maybe he gets a kirin or two off, but they willl be deflected and he will have to deal with the incomming threat from the summons. Remember naruto had his summonings fight pains, so he didn't have to, sasuke needs to have a summoning to fight them, and from what I've seen, he doesn't. Not only that but missle and lazar spam, along with the human path who was appartenly well known for his speed feats. will crush him. Deva path can laugh and push/pull sasuke into the others attacks. This fight would overwhelm sasuke after a couple minutes
Sasuke has had many summons. He has summoned many large snakes throughout the manga and anime. He summoned Manda during his fight with Deidara. He summoned a large snake in the chapter 633. He summoned a hawk against Danzo. Sasuke knows how to summon, and he has found summons.
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All of those paths were destroyed using standard offensive attacks. I am arguing against the fact that Shinra Tensei and Preta path would not be able to protect all of the paths of pain from being attacked and destroyed. Your examples helped to prove this claim. Sasuke has the offensive capabilities to destroy the other paths, so conceding the fact that the others are vulnerable to attacks without having to be speed blitzed just about ends the debate.
Yes standard offensive attacks but few of them requires tactical ambush with clones and even outside summon assistance like when the Toad Sages used Dust Cloud to obscure vision.

Well yeah Preta and Deva are just two bodies and they can't protect forever.

But I declare that Amaterasu spam will be the main reason if EMS Sasuke wins this + Susanoo. He needs those two.
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Yes standard offensive attacks but few of them requires tactical ambush with clones and even outside summon assistance like when the Toad Sages used Dust Cloud to obscure vision.

Well yeah Preta and Deva are just two bodies and they can't protect forever.

But I declare that Amaterasu spam will be the main reason if EMS Sasuke wins this + Susanoo. He needs those two.
Sasuke has proven himself to be good at tactical ambushes and surprises. He has been fighting tactically since he was a genin. He was the closes one to getting a bell from Kakashi when he was a genin because he was able to plan and execute things properly. We know that he can analyze things well too. Just look at his fight with Deidara. If anything, Sasuke would be better at tactical ambushes.

Sure Sasuke doesn't have toads and the other things that Naruto used to execute his tactical ambushes, but Sasuke has the tools and the jutsu necessary for other tactical ambushes. He doesn't have to do what Naruto did to defeat Pain. He can do it his own way.

The debate was over when it was conceded that Preta and Deva path could not protect forever.

I do not believe Susanoo would be absolutely essential. Susanoo is powerful, but it is not very good when it comes to being tactical because it has low maneuverability. I think amaterasu would be sufficient seeing as it is a one hit KO. If not amaterasu, Sasuke can still maneuver his way to the other pains and chidori them like how Naruto maneuvered his way through the pains and used the rasengan.
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Naruto had the benefit of using smoke bombs plus clones. Sasuke doesn't. He was intelligent enough to figure out Deidara's weakness to ration but he had to rely on sharingan and ration both which counters to Deidara to survive along with CS2.

With Danzo he needed Susanoo. He was tactical with a delayed genjutsu but that was it.

Because Pain just packs too much raw power and surrounding with shared vision. He will likely need Susanoo to protect himself.
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Naruto had the benefit of using smoke bombs plus clones. Sasuke doesn't. He was intelligent enough to figure out Deidara's weakness to ration but he had to rely on sharingan and ration both which counters to Deidara to survive along with CS2.

With Danzo he needed Susanoo. He was tactical with a delayed genjutsu but that was it.

Because Pain just packs too much raw power and surrounding with shared vision. He will likely need Susanoo to protect himself.
He doesn't NEED to use Susanoo. Naruto was able to dodge things and prevent himself from being damaged without the need of insane speed or armor. There is more than one way to fool someone in a battle and to gain a tactical advantage. He does not NEED smoke bombs or clones. He can do it his own way. He is intelligent enough to figure something out. This is clearly shown in his fight against Deidara.

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He got hit by Shinra Tensei. He survived because he was durable enough. SM clone was destroyed though.

And I did not dispute that. Matches are easily circumstantial.
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Kirin does nothing since Gravity. AKA Deva effects Lightning. Not mention he stands there as it appears giving Deva time to Pull him above him having Sasuke take the hit. If not then the other chakra path takes it in. Ninjutsu does not work on it.
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Kirin does nothing since Gravity. AKA Deva effects Lightning. Not mention he stands there as it appears giving Deva time to Pull him above him having Sasuke take the hit. If not then the other chakra path takes it in. Ninjutsu does not work on it.
It is not impossible to maneuver past deva and preta path. Read my previous posts. Even 321 conceded it after he read them.
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He got hit by Shinra Tensei. He survived because he was durable enough. SM clone was destroyed though.

And I did not dispute that. Matches are easily circumstantial.
The way you described the smoke bombs and the clones made it seem as though you were. I apologize for interpreting it incorrectly if I did.

i'll just stop the susanoo debate. It seems at this point both of us would agree that sasuke would be able to defeat Pain. It is pointless to debate by what method he would do so.
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besides deva path couldnt use almighty push/pull for the beginning of that fight so the fact naruto could dodge all that was pretty much just being at the right place in the right time
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Are people seriously arguing for Sasuke? Deva wins with planetary devastation. Itachi would have got caught and crushed if Bee and BM Naruto didn't lend him their firepower.
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Are people seriously arguing for Sasuke? Deva wins with planetary devastation. Itachi would have got caught and crushed if Bee and BM Naruto didn't lend him their firepower.
As long he prevents Chibaku Tensei its not impossible for EMS sasuke to win this.
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But he cant, chibaku tensai deflects all ninjutsu
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But he cant, chibaku tensai deflects all ninjutsu
Chibaku tensei doesn't cover everything and it can't cover the entire field. This is clearly seen throughout Naruto's fight with Pain.
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To whoever negged me I wasn't criticizing anyone you jerk
Sounds like two people are butthurt.

But I agree with you, Sasuke gets rolfstomped.
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Sounds like two people are butthurt.

But I agree with you, Sasuke gets rolfstomped.
Only one person is butthurt and its not me. I don't go on negging sprees.
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