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Old 06-02-2013, 11:17 AM   #21
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Default Re: Sasuke vs 6 paths of pain

Really Sasuke just gets Bansho tennin'd and then gang raped.

No Preta can not absorb Kirin. First off he can't even react to it. Second of all it's mostly natural lightning, just under Sasuke's control

No he can't ST Kirin. Again, can't react.

Itachi reacted to Kirin but he didn't have to physically move his body to do summon susano
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Really Sasuke just gets Bansho tennin'd and then gang raped.

No Preta can not absorb Kirin. First off he can't even react to it. Second of all it's mostly natural lightning, just under Sasuke's control

No he can't ST Kirin. Again, can't react.

Itachi reacted to Kirin but unlike pain he didn't have to physically move his body to do summon susano
I hope this is sarcasm.
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Default Re: Sasuke vs 6 paths of pain

1. agree

2. If you scale pain/nagato from itachi(although it depends whether your convinced that itachi reacted to it).

3. There is still chakra involved so preta path should be able to work with it. Preta did the same with goemon which isnt really chakra like, but essentially just burning oil.
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Either way Saskue loses
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Default Re: Sasuke vs 6 paths of pain

It's not Sarcasm. You're saying Pain should be able to react to lightning; your only support being that Itachi reacted to it. Despite the fact Itachi has precog.

Lightning travels so damn fast.. Faster than pain can even move his body. IIRC it hit the ground within a thousandth of a second. Even if pain REACTS his body won't be able to Mge In time to do a damn thing about it

I agree Sasuke can just get BT'd but Pain doesn't have a defense against kirin

@BMC Goemon was infused with sage chakra... And spitting oil is a jutsu in itself is it not?
Kirin is CONTROLLED by chakra not chakra itself
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Default Re: Sasuke vs 6 paths of pain

Kirin needs chakra....real lightning doesn't work like that, ffs! It's a damn dragon...he molds it in that shape with chakra. You see lightning in his hand while he's doing it.
It can be sucked in.

What I am saying is that Sasuke won't even get to use it before being killed.
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Default Re: Sasuke vs 6 paths of pain

Sasuke's chakra levels were almost exhausted at the time he used Kirin. Ya gotta remember this is a manga.. If there is any chakra in Kirin it is a very little amount

Also Kirin is a horse/unicorn/giraffe; which is why it's called Kirin
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^great explanation! Makuto

Either way Saskue loses. Pushed on the jump. Or absorbing his strongest jutsu.

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Shinra Tensei has been made way to op in people's minds. There is a 6 second minimum between uses, which Naruto was able to beat from about 50 meters away by throwing himself with shadow clones. He wasn't moving at insane speeds. At the same time, it takes longer for Shinra Tensei to cool down when it is a stronger Shinra Tensei. It took Pain many minutes for it to cool down after he used it on Konoha. If Pain had to use it on something as large as Kirin, we know it would be somewhere between his mini 6 second one and the one he used on Konoha. It would definitely take some time, not an insane amount of time but some, for Shinra Tensei to cool down.

Itachi's sharingan gives him a better reaction time than other people. Sharingan has been shown to give people better reaction times. This is seen in Sasuke's fight with Haku and his fight with Naruto when they were still genin. Sasuke was able to follow Naruto with nine tails chakra with a sharingan that had only two tomoe, a far cry from a eternal mangekyo sharingan let alone a three tomoe sharingan. Nagato doesn't have any extremely impressive reaction time feats. He wasn't able to react to several of Naruto's attacks, including rasengans from clones.

Sasuke's speed isn't at fodder-level. When Sasuke was still with Orochimaru, he was able to get past captain Yamamoto. He moved so fast that he had no time to even react. Yamamoto said that Sasuke was really fast. Also, during his fight with Deidara, Deidara said that Sasuke was really fast. He was able to move a distance of about 30 meters in an instance to "cut" Tobi in a tree before Deidara could even react. Sasuke isn't insanely fast, but he is surely fast enough to get past Nagato, like how Naruto was able to get past Nagato to destroy several Paths of Pain before getting stabbed through both of his hands. Sasuke would be able to maneuver past Pain, just like how Naruto did, and he would be able to destroy several Pains using Chidori, like how Naruto destroyed several with rasengan. It doesn't even have to be Chidori, Sasuke has several skills in his arsenal to destroy the paths.

Amaterasu spam in addition to the fact that Nagato is not insanely fast leads to a lot of dead paths of pain. We know that Amaterasu can be spammed quickly, definitely in under 6 seconds. During Sasuke's fight with Itachi, Itachi spammed Amaterasu left and right. Sasuke can use Amaterasu better than Itachi. On several occasions in both the Manga and Anime, it was said that Sasuke had better control over Amaterasu. The only issue Sasuke has is the Preta path, but he can get past it and destroy the other paths just like how Naruto was able to get past several pains and destroy several of them. Preta doesn't have much to kill Sasuke with.

Sasuke could win. Also, we STILL don't know what Sasuke can do with EMS. Nothing has really been shown about his abilities.
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Sasuke gets stomped. Absorbs Kirin thn uses CT.
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It's 5 I believe.

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which Naruto was able to beat from about 50 meters away by throwing himself with shadow clones. He wasn't moving at insane speeds.
Throwing speed > movement speed in general although that scenario was a bit strange. Base Naruto was no where near as fast as that FRS feat and Deva Path barely jumped over it.

But some say Deva Path was weakened to he point it couldn't do anything citing how after the shinra tensei he sort of collapsed to his knees.

He did accumulate much damage after all.

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The only issue Sasuke has is the Preta path, but he can get past it and destroy the other paths just like how Naruto was able to get past several pains and destroy several of them. Preta doesn't have much to kill Sasuke with.
Actually shinra tensei and preta path both counter Amaterasu but anyway I will agree more on what you said but Sasuke needs Susanoo for much of it with Amaterasu spam.

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EMS Sasuke should be above Nagato but if we go by what we saw in against Kabuto he isn't winning. He needs perfect Susanoo or at least superior susanoo feats to Madara's level.

Anyway this is Pain not Nagato so EMS Sasuke should have it easier in many ways despite shared vision.

His Susanoo is likely the weakest in durability but it makes sense due to having the least experience with it.
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Shinra Tensei wouldn't be able to block a constant spam of Amaterasu. Itachi was able to spam Amaterasu multiple times within a five second window during his fight with Sasuke.

That along with the fact that Nagato isn't insanely fast and has inferior reaction time in comparison with Itachi leads to his defeat. Itachi has superior reaction time because of his sharingan. Sharingan gives the user increased reaction time. Look to Sasuke's fight with Naruto, his fight with Haku, and Kakashi's fight with Zabuza. Naruto could destroy several paths of pain without having insane speed showing that Pain's speed and reaction time are not incredible. It can be beat using deceptions from clones. Sasuke is good at deceiving people. He was able to deceive Deidara multiple times. From this information alone, we know that Sasuke, like Naruto, would be able to get past Deva and Preta pains to destroy the other pains.

Also, on your Shinra Tensei arguments about how Pain was weakened, pain was still able to use it within the same amount of time. He was counting the seconds down to the five second mark even at the very end of the fight.

Summary: Naruto SM speed>Nagato speed. Nagato reaction time-->beaten by deceptions from clones and is less than Itachi's with sharingan. Sasuke is pretty fast-->moved so fast that he "cut" tobi in half from about 30 meters away before Deidara could even react. Shinra Tensei 5 second interval gets crushed by constant spam of Amaterasu as seen from Itachi vs Sasuke.

Sasuke would be able to beat all of the paths of pain except for the Preta path, but the Preta path doesn't have to many offensive capabilities. From his feats in the anime and manga, he has just about none.
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Uchiha kissasses need to get in their head he can't and will never win.

Amaterasu/Enton gets blown away by ST.
Susanoo Arrows get deflected by ST.
Raiton/Katon gets absorbed by Preta.

Chameleon sneaks behind Sasuke before he can Susanoo and grabs him with his tongue, and Human Path takes his soul.

Sasuke needs to create a storm for Kirin, so it will take too long for him to use it.
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Shinra Tensei wouldn't be able to block a constant spam of Amaterasu. Itachi was able to spam Amaterasu multiple times within a five second window during his fight with Sasuke.
Well I already agree amaterasu spam is needed.

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That along with the fact that Nagato isn't insanely fast and has inferior reaction time in comparison with Itachi leads to his defeat.
Nagato's speed is unknown because he still suffered mobility issues.

But we do know his reaction time. He casually could read Itachi's shunshin speed.

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Also, on your Shinra Tensei arguments about how Pain was weakened, pain was still able to use it within the same amount of time. He was counting the seconds down to the five second mark even at the very end of the fight.

It really isn't mine but many others in other forums have echoed it for good reason.

5 second interval still existed but his last full power shinra tensei apparently took a lot of out of him plus he accumulated a lot of damage.

A regular Deva Path would have dodged that.

Also the 5 second countdown was for the 2nd to last shinra tensei not the last one.

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Deva Path reaction is much better than Deidara's.

Also Nagato's speed is technically unknown we never saw him move much other than ambushing Killer Bee.

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Uchiha kissasses need to get in their head he can't and will never win.

Amaterasu/Enton gets blown away by ST.
Susanoo Arrows get deflected by ST.
Raiton/Katon gets absorbed by Preta.

Chameleon sneaks behind Sasuke before he can Susanoo and grabs him with his tongue, and Human Path takes his soul.

Sasuke needs to create a storm for Kirin, so it will take too long for him to use it.
Sasuke needs perfect Susanoo to fully surpass Nagato I suppose.
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Deva Path reaction time is much better than Deidara
There is literally no evidence to prove this. Naruto was able to hit the paths of pain with Sage mode. Sage mode gives Naruto a considerable strength boost, but there is little to no evidence showing an insane speed boost. Naruto was not moving extremely quickly. Sasuke would be able to maneuver past the paths of pain and attack him. All of the other arguments really don't matter. The fact that the paths of pain can't dodge everything, and the fact that it is possible to get past the Preta path and the Deva path with fairly mediocre speed just ends this debate. Pain's fight with Naruto PROVES preta and deva paths can't cover everything.

So once again. Amaterasu spam. Preta and Deva can't cover everything and spam breaks through the 5 second interval.
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There is literally no evidence to prove this. Naruto was able to hit the paths of pain with Sage mode.
First of all there is that shonen scaling concept. the leader is usually the strongest in all areas unless its directly unproven but even ignoring that.

However, Pain has that infamous FRS feat going for him.

Anyway regardless of Sasuke being faster than Pain, Pain will react to him no problem unless cqc or very close range.

PReta Path dodged. Natural energy hit him. The rest was FRS or ambush.



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Kabuto's fight showed that sage mode does. Unless Snake Sage Mode is radically too different. (it is different but it has similarities)

Regular Jiraiya could not have pulled out what he did. He blitzed Human Path in point blank and outsped Preta and Animal Path but their reaction casually saw through everything combined with shared vision.

And Human Path is very fast too, he was able to blitz sensors before they could even notice him.


Also while Deva Path outsped Base Naruto and pressured him back with taijutsu, when SM came on he was able to quicken his kick suddenly, his base form couldn't have done that.

He also technically blitzed Asura Path and SM strength grants major increase in jumping speed.

The fact Kakashi who was noted to be a speedster by Tobi who struggled against Pain also shows Pain. Deva PAth at the very least is around Kakashi tier in speed.



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So once again. Amaterasu spam. Preta and Deva can't cover everything and spam breaks through the 5 second interval.
I won't deny Sasuke can win through this. Just as long two ultimate jutsus or Gedo Mazo soul dragon doesn't come out. The last one is more of rarity anyway.
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Naruto sage mode speed still isn't too different from Sasuke base speed. We can see this from Sasuke's speed feats against Deidara/Tobi.

Paths of Pain obviously can't react to everything. They were taken down by Naruto deceiving them through clones. Sasuke is great at deception as clearly seen during his fight with Deidara. Sasuke would be able to take down Paths of Pain.

Deva/Preta paths can't cover everything. Naruto was able to get past them to destroy other paths of pain. No reason why Sasuke can't do the same and Amaterasu them.
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Pain should be able to grab sasuke before he finishes kirin unless he's hiding when he does this. And if they're not hitting instantly, he's pretty much screwed.
He does not have the chakra reserve to even last against all 6 even if his moves were effective.
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Naruto sage mode speed still isn't too different from Sasuke base speed. We can see this from Sasuke's speed feats against Deidara/Tobi.

Paths of Pain obviously can't react to everything. They were taken down by Naruto deceiving them through clones. Sasuke is great at deception as clearly seen during his fight with Deidara. Sasuke would be able to take down Paths of Pain.

Deva/Preta paths can't cover everything. Naruto was able to get past them to destroy other paths of pain. No reason why Sasuke can't do the same and Amaterasu them.
Maybe.

Preta Path dodged SM punch. Natural energy defeated him.
ASura Path was destroyed by sudden blitz the same path that intercepted Kakashi's raikiri dash.
Animal Path was swallowed and then destroyed. Human Path got destroyed by FRS expansion.
Only Hell Path got destroyed by clone ambush which is nothing to be ashamed of because nearly nobody else would have been able to survive that.

SM speed didn't exactly help him here other than Asura Path.

Also DEva Path when fully focused by Nagato was able to outpace KN6 and he reacted to its blitz attempt.
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