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Old 06-15-2013, 10:30 PM   #61
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The Kiba swords wielded by Raiga in the filler arc, but used again in the war arc by Ameyuri. They are apparently the sharpest blades in existence and embedded with lightning. They are correlated with the lightning god and can create heavy storms and summon thunder attack anywhere. Even if most of the abilities were only shown in a filler, Kishi did adapt them into the manga for the first time ever and it's just an example of what the real lightning element is. A raiton attack cannot do what those blades can do.
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What did the blades do in the manga. Filler arcs are irrelevant.
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How so? He doesn't have hax
S/T jutsus aren't hax?

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It makes sense well sort of, it just dehyped a lot of BM Naruto in many ways.
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I agree with most people except, Kakazu vs Mei...its not lava gg. Kakazu can spam his combos at her non stop, fire/wind etc...hes not slow either, he may even be faster than Mei.
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I agree with most people except, Kakazu vs Mei...its not lava gg. Kakazu can spam his combos at her non stop, fire/wind etc...hes not slow either, he may even be faster than Mei.
He has better speed feats than her.

I only see Kakuzu beating Tsunade and Mei 1vs1
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Not really, just Tobi's. I wouldn't call summoning Gamakichi hax

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If he really thinks it, I guess he can teleport someone inside a Volcano

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Why's that? It's not like Kishi gave Minato Bijuu mode.
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Can someone tell me I'm wrong about Kakuzu beating Tsunade and Mei. I'm bored.
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Not really, just Tobi's. I wouldn't call summoning Gamakichi hax



If he really thinks it, I guess he can teleport someone inside a Volcano



Why's that? It's not like Kishi gave Minato Bijuu mode.
Teleportation and S/T Barrier ain't?


Well S/T Barrier needs another kunai.



It looks a hybrid of the two but there is likely no bijuu ball until further notice.
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Wait.... how does Kakuzu lose to Gaara? If Deidara could beat him before then of course Kakuzu can. If the feat of Deidara's bombs penetrating his sand never existed then everyone would say it's impossible. I'd say that Kakuzu can definitely penetrate with his powerful raiton combo. I doubt his defence has more sustain than a whole forest and something that only a water typhoon could take out due to plot counter. Even if Gaara does hide in his defence the entire fight, how could he possibly kill Kakuzu? It's not like he could crush him with sand unless he has an entire desert for his arsenal, which still wouldn't be that easy. This is at the bridge, so he only has the sand in his gourd. I doubt he is a match for Kakuzu.
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Kakazu and deidara are not comparable their fighting styles are to different.

Because deidara managed to 'defeat' gaara does mean kakazu can. Not to mention in this scenario gaara doesnt have an entire villages to protect.

It defended against the mizukages exploding bombs and C3. Besides kakazu never destroyed an entire forest in the manga.

Why gaara has used sabaku soso many times with just the sand in his gourd.
Plus gaara can grind the minerals in the ground while fighting to increase the available volume of sand.

His mobility in the air is on par with deidara and his defense has endured some of the most powerfull jutsus/attacks in the show.
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Just a quick question and I'm seriously not even implying anything but what exactly is stopping Kakuzu's thread's from going through Gaara's sand? His threads can go through solid earth easy and sand is....sand. Even if its hardened super magical mommy sand Gaara's sand has never protected him from something like Kakuzu's threads. Can't they just burrow through his sand like they do the ground?
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Can someone tell me I'm wrong about Kakuzu beating Tsunade and Mei. I'm bored.
Well, I am not sure about Mei.

But Tsunade does have high level regeneration which made her survive even strong attacks from Madara!!!

On top of that she was already somewhat harmed by the transfer Jutsu which makes people and objects move at the speed of light!!!

She also did manage to hit Madara a few times so her speed should be great enough to fight against Kakuzu!!!

Also she has a summoning, Katsuyu could easily help Tsunade fight!!!
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Just a quick question and I'm seriously not even implying anything but what exactly is stopping Kakuzu's thread's from going through Gaara's sand? His threads can go through solid earth easy and sand is....sand. Even if its hardened super magical mommy sand Gaara's sand has never protected him from something like Kakuzu's threads. Can't they just burrow through his sand like they do the ground?
You're right about that... doton style in general can maneuver through the ground like Zetsu, Yamato and Kakuzu did. Deidara's bombs were actually doton so that's probably why it could penetrate the sand. Kakuzu's threads should be able to do the same and choke Gaara to death.

@ BMC I agree that their fighting styles are incomparable but Kakuzu practically has no weakness compared to Deidara, and has multiple decades of more experience so is smarter and more capable in battle. If Deidara was smart against Gaara, imagine what Kakuzu will come up with.

He doesn't have a village to protect but it's basically 5v1 against Gaara, and each mask is just as mobile as Gaara is in the air. Gaara has trouble chasing Deidara alone, before he threatened the village. It will be much more difficult to fend off or kill 4 masks in the air with high element attacks right off the bat.

I still don't believe that his sand alone is enough to bare all of this, even if he had a lot of sand in his disposal. An ill Kimmimaro almost managed to struggle through a large sand scaled attack and Kakuzu is miles ahead in terms of strength, plus Kakuzu's doton style allows him to move through the Earth so the sand cannot trap him under ground.

- Kakuzu cannot be overwhelmed by sand burial cause he can move through the ground like Zetsu

- Kakuzu has the advantage in the air anyway, and outnumbers Gaara

- Faster high scaled attacks which Kakashi with his Sharingan could barely dodge.. Kakuzu was very impressed that Kakashi managed to avoid his combo

- Gaara's defense will not last long against elemental combos, especially raiton
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okayyy so it sounds like Tsuande and Garra are the most debtable

Well.............................................. ...........

Tsuande is not beating Kakazu. Let's face it she HAS to get close to beat Kakazu. And she would need to do that about 5 times to win. And that is not happening. Kakazu is a long ranged fighter and not stupid. Tsuande will be lucky if she hits him once. As for Katasyu Kakazu would not watch as she summons it. THe Acid can be dodged or used as a counter attack. with an elemental combo which covers a larger scale. Kakazu has more of a chance then Tsuande.

and as for Garra

He would just float in the sky. Also the sand would protect any move Kakau uses. Garra uses his sand and traps the masks

Questions??
-How does Kakazu have advantage in the air? The Wind Mask has good hops. It intercepted Kakashi in the air...but it did not fly. It landed right after. So do you have proof?
-Kakazu would not uses his elemental combo at the start
-Please tell me you are not saying Kakazu and his attacks are faster than his sand
-Garra's sand withstood Sussanoo swords and C3 which is much stronger than elemental combo

Please don't compare PTS Garra with KAZEKAGE Garra. Just don't please. It is silly to compare.

Good point what you said about the Doton and moving through the sand. But the sand can still hurt him.

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Just a quick question and I'm seriously not even implying anything but what exactly is stopping Kakuzu's thread's from going through Gaara's sand? His threads can go through solid earth easy and sand is....sand. Even if its hardened super magical mommy sand Gaara's sand has never protected him from something like Kakuzu's threads. Can't they just burrow through his sand like they do the ground?
Unlike earth gaara is mobile plus he can always fly out of range of the threads if thats really neccesary.

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You're right about that... doton style in general can maneuver through the ground like Zetsu, Yamato and Kakuzu did. Deidara's bombs were actually doton so that's probably why it could penetrate the sand. Kakuzu's threads should be able to do the same and choke Gaara to death.

@ BMC I agree that their fighting styles are incomparable but Kakuzu practically has no weakness compared to Deidara, and has multiple decades of more experience so is smarter and more capable in battle. If Deidara was smart against Gaara, imagine what Kakuzu will come up with.

He doesn't have a village to protect but it's basically 5v1 against Gaara, and each mask is just as mobile as Gaara is in the air. Gaara has trouble chasing Deidara alone, before he threatened the village. It will be much more difficult to fend off or kill 4 masks in the air with high element attacks right off the bat.

I still don't believe that his sand alone is enough to bare all of this, even if he had a lot of sand in his disposal. An ill Kimmimaro almost managed to struggle through a large sand scaled attack and Kakuzu is miles ahead in terms of strength, plus Kakuzu's doton style allows him to move through the Earth so the sand cannot trap him under ground.

- Kakuzu cannot be overwhelmed by sand burial cause he can move through the ground like Zetsu

- Kakuzu has the advantage in the air anyway, and outnumbers Gaara

- Faster high scaled attacks which Kakashi with his Sharingan could barely dodge.. Kakuzu was very impressed that Kakashi managed to avoid his combo

- Gaara's defense will not last long against elemental combos, especially raiton
Well if you are argueing for kakazu your the one who is supposed to imagine how he wins. Because i who argue against kakazu obviously cant.

True Kakazu has alot more raw power then kimimaro had. But Timeskip gaara also has an better defense then his pre time skip version had.

He can? Still he never did that in battle. And dont see how that prevents him from getting crushed or atleast restricted by sand above ground.

How? He barely moves while 'gliding'

Kakashi cant fly and doesnt have what topchef calls 'magical mommy sand'.

-Why exactly? It did well against Steaming tyranny, Madaras susanoo , a collapsing building and probably other stuff.
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WAIT!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE A REVELATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When has anyone gone underground when the ground was chakra enhanced???

Answer:NEVER

Example:Zetsu vs Earth nin (Kuro and her dad)

The Zetsu were travling underground yet the iwa ninja raised the ground. If Zetsu could travel through earth then that should not have been an issue

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There was no gliding. There was only one panel of the wind mask jumping
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Unlike earth gaara is mobile plus he can always fly out of range of the threads if thats really neccesary.



Well if you are argueing for kakazu your the one who is supposed to imagine how he wins. Because i who argue against kakazu obviously cant.

True Kakazu has alot more raw power then kimimaro had. But Timeskip gaara also has an better defense then his pre time skip version had.

He can? Still he never did that in battle. And dont see how that prevents him from getting crushed or atleast restricted by sand above ground.

How? He barely moves while 'gliding'

Kakashi cant fly and doesnt have what topchef calls 'magical mommy sand'.

-Why exactly? It did well against Steaming tyranny, Madaras susanoo , a collapsing building and probably other stuff.
Thanks for responding but I don't recall Gaara ever being mobile when he's inside his sand sphere thing. He has to drop it and run from the tentacles but Gaara will most likely try to block it IC.
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Gaaras sand has no notable weakness against lightening; yes chidori did pierce it, but, then again chidori would pierce pretty much anything in Naruto-verse. and, the sane is not weak against water either; only water mixed with oil can make his sand sluggish. Gaaras sand has no elemental weakness

not to mention Gaara is by all means most likely the most powerful current kage. sure kakuzu can harden his skin; but then again so could kimimaro, whom Gaara simply resorted to burying under the ground. sure kakazu can send his hearts to attack; likewise Gaara can attack kakuzu. and Gaaras sand getting a hold of kakuzu, is alot more likely than kakazu being able to hurt Gaara, before being taken out by said sand

Gaara is the current kage that kakuzu likely has the least chance against, considering the kazekages durability/attacking combo which is nigh unrivaled in Naruto-verse, and a surprising amount of versatility with his sand both in the air and on the ground. hes far from a one trick pony (cant say the same for the overrated raikage though, now can you?)
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Gaaras sand has no notable weakness against lightening; yes chidori did pierce it, but, then again chidori would pierce pretty much anything in Naruto-verse. and, the sane is not weak against water either; only water mixed with oil can make his sand sluggish. Gaaras sand has no elemental weakness

not to mention Gaara is by all means most likely the most powerful current kage. sure kakuzu can harden his skin; but then again so could kimimaro, whom Gaara simply resorted to burying under the ground. sure kakazu can send his hearts to attack; likewise Gaara can attack kakuzu. and Gaaras sand getting a hold of kakuzu, is alot more likely than kakazu being able to hurt Gaara, before being taken out by said sand

Gaara is the current kage that kakuzu likely has the least chance against, considering the kazekages durability/attacking combo which is nigh unrivaled in Naruto-verse, and a surprising amount of versatility with his sand both in the air and on the ground. hes far from a one trick pony (cant say the same for the overrated raikage though, now can you?)
That's cool, so how does he block Kakuzu's tentacles? They can go through solid earth easy.
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That's cool, so how does he block Kakuzu's tentacles? They can go through solid earth easy.
as if Gaaras sand is not more durable than solid earth...
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