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Old 05-12-2013, 02:35 AM   #1
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Default Can Samehada absorb Susano'o?

We know it sucks chakra, right?
Susano'o is made of it, could Samehada try and suck the Susano'o?

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Yes since it is Chakra.. Why would it not? It sucks Bijuu crap like you breath air.
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Default Re: Can Samehada absorb Susano'o?

Depends on who's susanoo and at what stage.

If final stage Itachi, I would say no, purely to do with the fact that, something so small shouldn't be able to absorb something so large.
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Yeah, it is chakra, but it seems...different?
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So does NArutos Bijuu compared to others when it forms red and black skin like Bee.
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I'd imagine that it'd absorb even a complete Susanoo except for Madara and Sasuke's.
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Probably not. Susano'o is not made of pure chakra. If it is, then who's? I highly doubt it's the caster's chakra-- if it were, Itachi's susano'o would only last seconds. It takes chakra to summon it, and keep it up or progress to the next stage. It's properties are more spiritual than chakra in nature, unless the Mangekyou Sharingan can shape the caster's chakra (w/o nature affinities) into something that resembles a corporeal being, which I highly doubt at this point considering the Uchiha's are not known for having a surplus of chakra.
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What is it made of then?
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What is it made of then?
A ghost? Not really sure. Kishi will probably leave this open for nerds to speculate.

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JLI2 explained in another thread the mechanics of activating Amaterasu and it is more than likely that the same principle applies to Susano'o since Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o are intrinsically linked by the Mangekyo Sharingan. It's evident that the Susano'o is outside the realm of the 5 chakra natures. It's a spiritual cloak controlled by the caster's chakra much like Gaara's absolute defense is controlled and shaped by his chakra-- only difference is that Gaara's defense is of earthly origins.

One thing's for sure, it's not made of chakra. If it were made of the caster's chakra, activating Susano'o would be a death sentence to any Uchiha. It's more likely spiritual in form and nature.

As for the causes of severe chakra drain to Itachi and Sasuke, a couple reasons could be the space-time summon from the ethereal world unique to MS, and the up-keep of maintaining that connection. A few more possible causes are, moving and controlling Susanoo's actions, or switching from one form to another.

So, no I don't think Samehada absorbs Susano'o.
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Keep it simple its chakra. There is nothing else it can be but chakra. To me it is just high end chakra manipulation given form. Amaterasu is the same thing. Think frs level manipulation. Also like someone pointed out samehada can absorb bijuu chakra. Nothing in this story stronger than that.
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Samehada absorbs chakra.
Susanoo is made of chakra.
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Probably no becouse the guy who use susano can use yasaka magatama sword and kill samehada's user.
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Keep it simple its chakra. There is nothing else it can be but chakra.
Kinda doubt it's chakra but like you said, for simplicity's sake in Vs debates, I guess we can call it chakra and be done with it, but for discussion purposes I'd stick to it's not chakra. It's just more exciting that way.

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To me it is just high end chakra manipulation given form. Amaterasu is the same thing. Think frs level manipulation. Also like someone pointed out samehada can absorb bijuu chakra. Nothing in this story stronger than that.
Bijuu cloak is obviously chakra. I have no doubt Samehada absorbs that. There is a limit to how long Naruto and Bee can enter their cloaked versions before they eventually run out of chakra and shrink back to base.

FRS manipulation is probably not the best example to prove Susano'o is chakra since Uchiha's are not exactly known for having high chakra reserves. A high level manipulation of one's own chakra and shaping it into a warrior-shaped absolute defense is nigh impossible for the Uchiha (unless someone explains to me how Susano'o is made of sage chakra or yin-yang release). I'd chalk up such armor to a space-time summon of Susano'o from the Japanese netherworlds (look it up it's an actual Japanese legend). Furthermore, Naruto has ridiculous amount of chakra. Pre-pein arc, he could only use FRS sparingly because there's only so much chakra he can hurl at you. In SM, he can use it 3 times because of his added sage chakra reserve. In KCM and BM, because of Kurama, he's feated to use it at will.

I agree though that the method in which Naruto manipulates his own chakra to form rasenshuriken (which btw was only possible after gaining decades worth of experience using a thousand shadow clones) is something the Uchiha can learn to manipulate Susano'o, since a genius lot they supposedly are! I have no doubt though that the mysterious abilities of the Mangekyo Sharingan could probably explain how the Susano'o spirit energy can take a corporeal form.

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Samehada absorbs chakra.
Susanoo is made of chakra.
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Not so simple. There must be a limit to what Samehada can do, although beings like Samehada do exist in the Naruto world-- eg. Hashirama's trees.

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Kinda doubt it's chakra but like you said, for simplicity's sake in Vs debates, I guess we can call it chakra and be done with it, but for discussion purposes I'd stick to it's not chakra. It's just more exciting that way.
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A high level manipulation of one's own chakra and shaping it into a warrior-shaped absolute defense is nigh impossible for the Uchiha (unless someone explains to me how Susano'o is made of sage chakra or yin-yang release). I'd chalk up such armor to a space-time summon of Susano'o from the Japanese netherworlds (look it up it's an actual Japanese legend). Furthermore, Naruto has ridiculous amount of chakra. Pre-pein arc, he could only use FRS sparingly because there's only so much chakra he can hurl at you. In SM, he can use it 3 times because of his added sage chakra reserve. In KCM and BM, because of Kurama, he's feated to use it at will.

I agree though that the method in which Naruto manipulates his own chakra to form rasenshuriken (which btw was only possible after gaining decades worth of experience using a thousand shadow clones) is something the Uchiha can learn to manipulate Susano'o, since a genius lot they supposedly are! I have no doubt though that the mysterious abilities of the Mangekyo Sharingan could probably explain how the Susano'o spirit energy can take a corporeal form.

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That right there in the bold hurts you arguement off the bat. Uchiha have high levels of stamina. Sasuke as a child had chakra levels that could rival Kakashi. Compared to a host like Bee or Naruto yeah their chakra levels are weaker. But to regular shinobi their stamina is high.Furthermore Susanoo and amaterasu are two of the most powerful jutsu in series. That also goes against your point. The higher the level of jutsu the more chakra is consumed.
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^I was thinking it was more Kishi folly that Sasuke was able to hang with the high tiers in Naruto as far as stamina and chakra. Against Deidara, an exhausted out of chakra Sasuke pulling Manda out of his ass and teleporting last minute was total pnj asspull but I digress. Besides, his chakra reserves were partly thanks to being integrated with Oro at that point in time. Him being able to spam MS techs against Danzo is another case of plot chakra. I chalk that up to Kishi wanting to show how Izanagi works, hence padding Sasuke's stats, but again I digress.

As for the stamina being high relative to a regular shinobi, I don't think that's true. Per the latest databook (I know we hate using databooks but it's still canon), Itachi's stamina is comparatively super low at 2.5 which is lower than Shizune's and Shikamaru's. Sasuke has ok stamina which is about average. It's hilarious hijinx that most of the times those two are in battle, they puke their innards out.

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Ok I will abandon the Uchiha low chakra reserves argument just because to be honest I have no proof of it-- just innuendo (pretty mainstream opinion though), but I'm still sticking to my story as far as mechanics of the technique. I'll also make a revision to my original theory of it being pure spirit energy. It could be a combination of a spirit energy summon and the caster's chakra. The appearance of a fully formed Susano'o alone (having bones, goggles, screws, and joints) lends credence to it being someone's spirit. The color and the flame like energy however could be easily argued as chakra. So there.. Beware, in Vs debates, I'll use whatever definition that'll help my argument
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Sasuke had above average chakra reserves. For a genin level he even did Grand Fireball which astonished Kakashi.

I reckon Itachi's stamina lows are partially from his disease and the MS degradation because MS weakens you all fronts overtime.

Deidara one was pretty stupid although Sasuke never said he was out of chakra. It was Deidara who thought he was.

Also Madara had enough chakra to fight for 24+ hours straight.

The thing is that Senju being of the body not Uchiha which was of the mind will likely have more reserves.

Heck Uzumakis are also known for lifeforce and vitality.
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I know right? Susanoo is chakra. There has never been any implication that it is anything else. Samehada goes through Susanoo like a knife through butter.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:21 AM   #19
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I reckon Itachi's stamina lows are partially from his disease
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Well yeah it's pretty much me vs everyone which went according to my diabolical plan: I was able to showcase my highflown bombastic debating style. But not really, just trying to disrupt preconceived notions in the Naruto world. The BG is getting repetitive, unimaginative, stale and quite frankly boring. I prefer my explanation over the "it's chakra coz the wikia page says so," which btw it does, even though the manga never explicitly or even implicitly say it. It's just inconceivable to me that anyone other than an Uzumaki or Senju could maintain a chakra cloak that long, give it form and control it, and still spam high level chakra draining techs. I think I used the term "plot chakra" to describe this phenomenon. But then again, I don't live and breathe Naruto like some of the social butterflies in the BG's, so I tend to go outside the box when I debate.

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I know right? Susanoo is chakra. There has never been any implication that it is anything else. Samehada goes through Susanoo like a knife through butter.
Samehada doesn't go through Susano'o like butter. It maxed out at V1 Bee and was able to partially absorb V2. Any more than that, it implodes. Do you know what I think goes through Susano'o like butter? Tobirama's sword.
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So from that you do think that Samehada can do it but your just putting up an argument for argument sake?
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