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Old 05-12-2013, 04:32 PM   #21
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Gaara's never been proven to be smarter than Naruto. The only thing Gaara does is manipulate sand he actually doesn't show any strategic value whatsoever. Everything you said in that line is garbage.
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Wow I forgot I made this thread.

OP states 10min prep. I don't think prep benefits Itachi in any way. Come to think of it, I shouldn't have included prep to make it a little more even.

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You do know that Gaara's sand is natureless? it isn't an earth chakra nature.
And all Itachi has to do is point at Gaara or use Tsukuyomi.
How is sand natureless? It's of the earth. The way in which Gaara manipulates sand is not earth style (This is probably what you meant by "natureless"), but is attributed more to his chakra control. He infuses it with his own chakra and is able to move it, shape it, do his bidding, etc. If there's no sand, he's able to extract the chemical compounds (silica, quartz, etc.) from the earth to make sand. When I said Amaterasu can be countered with earth, I meant to say that of which make up earth's surface-- I should've been more clear I'm sorry.

Also, don't forget that the location has an abundance of gold deposits which could potentially make Gaara's defensive and offensive attacks even more powerful.

About the finger genjutsu- as far as I know, it's weak and can be broken by using chakra-heavy abilities (e.g. sand tsunami) or by disrupting chakra flow. I'm sure given that Gaara is kage level with superior chakra control, he breaks out of it the moment he realizes he's under the spell. He's not Naruto who's infamous for having zero constitution against genjutsu, pre-kurama. All this is moot anyway because I don't think Gaara gets caught in genjutsu given he can just block field of vision with his sand as DL already pointed out.

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I'm gonna say itachi and here's why. If they start off the battle standing 50 meters apart before gaara can completely get in the air itachi can put him in a finger genjutsu because even if he had knowledge he wouldn't be able to stop itachi from pointing at him.
You still have to look at the finger to get caught which was exactly what Naruto did! See my response above.

As an aside, the mechanism in which finger genjutsu is activated was never really explained. I doubt even Kishi knows. It could be the same method in which someone who doesn't have sharingan (Kuranai) activates genjutsu, or it could be invisible chakra strings that attach to your head enabling Itachi to control the chakra flow in your brain. Who knows? He'll never use it again.

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Now the battle could be over there however lets say he has a way to break the genjutsu (Despite naruto with a larger chakra pool and taught by pervy sage couldn't.) itachi could have used that time to close some distance even if he couldn't move while gaara was in the genjutsu because breaking it requires him to pause and while he's trying to get up to fly itachi could have closed the distance and moved into makeyo.
Current Gaara > Pre-pein Naruto in chakra control. I'd take a guy who can manipulate sand on a molecular level over a guy who needs a clone to form a rasengan. Not that I think Gaara is more powerful than Naruto (no one is besides dead people).

With 10min prep, Gaara extracts gold dusts from the deposits and fuses it with his sand. He'll be cognizant of the stream of water bisecting the land and he'll be aware of Itachi's suiton. Sand funeral, pyramid, tsunami, bullets, absolute defense, and flight is too much for Itachi's Susano'o.

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Gaara's never been proven to be smarter than Naruto. The only thing Gaara does is manipulate sand he actually doesn't show any strategic value whatsoever. Everything you said in that line is garbage.
Somewhat true. Gaara is just a lot more gentlemanly, hence giving people the impression that he's smarter than he actually is lol.
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1) How do you know the range limit of his genjutsu?
2) Maybe eye contact can be stopped, but he can't stop being pointed at.
3) I was stating it, because looking at a few peoples arguments, it didn't seem like people knew.
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1) How do you know the range limit of his genjutsu?
2) Maybe eye contact can be stopped, but he can't stop being pointed at.
3) I was stating it, because looking at a few peoples arguments, it didn't seem like people knew.
1) we go by what has been shown. To prevent 'itachi lolfingenjutsus people from 10 km'.
2) Im pretty sure gaara has to look at his finger for it to work. Its an visual genjutsu only instead of the eyes activating it his finger does it.
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It is a natural reflex to look at someone if they point at you though.
I never meant that the range would be that far.
Itachi can turn into crows and fly away, for the people who keep bringing up Sand Tsunami.
Gaara doesn't need to look at Itachi to do it, so you visualise with your fingers?
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I don't think finger is a visual genjutsu, but iirc Itachi said the jutsu started when Naruto looked at this finger, so...it does work in a visual way.
People forget that there are more genjutus types besides ocular...
It's just brain chakra disruption.
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It's decided Garra wins
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Gaara wins against Itachi? What the hell?
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That is exactly what I was thinking Marko.
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Thought we already confirmed this....

But genjutsu is his only/main way of winning and Garra will soar into the air and not look at itachi.

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Itachi has speed, intelligence, Strength and Jutsu above Gaara's level.
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Itachi could use water style, to make Gaara's sand a lot more chakra consuming which lowers his battle endurance. If Gaara takes to the sky, then Ephemeral. GG.
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But genjutsu is his only/main way of winning and Garra will soar into the air and not look at itachi.

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What in the he......

Gaara can't even defend himself from Itachi's basic taijutsu let alone genjutsu, or Itachi's MS techniques.

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What speed? Itachi's speed does not surpass the speed of garra's sand. Unless you think itachi is faster than Amaterasu or Ay

What ninjutsu beats his sand defense? Sand catches Amaterasu and susanoo does nothing with Garra high in the air

Just because your smarter does not mean you will win

Itachi physical strength is useless to his sand

When has itachi used water style without a water source


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If Gaara keeps his eyes closed, to avoid Genjutsu. How is he going to wield his sand effectively? Best he could do is spam in a ditch attempt to get him, but Itachi can turn into crows and fly way up in the sky.
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Gaara wins against Itachi? What the hell?
Why not.

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Itachi has speed, intelligence, Strength and Jutsu above Gaara's level.
in order.

speed: Doesnt matter gaara can fly.
intelligence : still cant fly
strenght: itachis wont be bruce leeing in the air because he cant fly hence gaara is out of reach of most if not all of itachis tricks.
jutsu: gaara could summon frikin deserts as a genin. So no.

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Itachi could use water style, to make Gaara's sand a lot more chakra consuming which lowers his battle endurance. If Gaara takes to the sky, then Ephemeral. GG.
No he cant.

How about gaara doesnt even look at itachi creates a sand shell around him like he did when he fought deidara and takes it to the sky?



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What in the he......

Gaara can't even defend himself from Itachi's basic taijutsu let alone genjutsu, or Itachi's MS techniques.

Itachi stomps Gaara, then proceeds to stomp Kisame.
Gaaras sand tanked A's guilotine kick/drop. Itachi isnt even going to tickle gaara.

Ms:

Tsukuyomi: requires eyecontact which gaara does not need especially with that floating third eye of his.

Amaterasu: gaara sand has lolblocked it before wont be different this time

Susanoo: cant fly , and gaara was able to pull madara out of his susanoo. So its pretty much useless here.

Totsuka: Out of reach cause flight

Magatama: gaara managed to tank deidaras bombs/ and the mizukage waterbomb not really comparable but i doubt magatama will break gaaras sand shield.


Gaara can just enter his sand shell. Lolfly and laugh at itachi till itachi dies of exhaustion. Or just bury him under a desert of sand because there is nothing itachi can do about gaara grinding some extra sand.

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all i can see itachi doing would be izanami.

But sabaku soso is easier and faster.
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Aren't you banned from Sharingan topics, pop? O.o

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Yes pop you still are and you arent really helping your case when you just ignore us and post in them anyway.
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