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Old 05-08-2013, 01:33 PM   #21
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That doesn't mean that his strength has increased at all.
It would be the equivalent to sharpening a knife. Of course it will cut through something more easily right after it has been sharpened.
You're not making sense. How is punching down a huge iron gate that's locked after using iron skin on your arm not considered strength enhance? I highly doubt Kakuzu could have done that with base strength because if he was that strong in base he would have easily broke Ino and Choji's neck when he was strangling them.

Its a hand not a knife. His finger tips aren't sharp. Iron skin gives him strength enhance.
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We can't know for sure.. but I'd say kicking someone through a large tree and breaking down the strongest gate in Narutoverse is a better raw power feat than Kisame has shown. Even Jinchuuriki power would have trouble breaking down that gate and Kakuzu did it effortlessly.

We still don't know if he actually used Iron Skin to kick Chouji through a tree so he could still be really strong.. but taking away Kakuzu's Iron Skin is like taking away Kisame's chakra.. then probably still Kakuzu for having 90+ years exp in strength training

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We can't know for sure.. but I'd say kicking someone through a large tree and breaking down the strongest gate in Narutoverse is a better raw power feat than Kisame has shown. Even Jinchuuriki power would have trouble breaking down that gate and Kakuzu did it effortlessly.

We still don't know if he actually used Iron Skin to kick Chouji through a tree so he could still be really strong.. but taking away Kakuzu's Iron Skin is like taking away Kisame's chakra.. then probably still Kakuzu for having 90+ years exp in strength training
I'm arguing that iron skin does indeed enhance strength because he used it on the iron gate.

Also that was base strength he used when he pwned Choji because he didn't even use his hand sign for iron skin.
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You're not making sense. How is punching down a huge iron gate that's locked after using iron skin on your arm not considered strength enhance? I highly doubt Kakuzu could have done that with base strength because if he was that strong in base he would have easily broke Ino and Choji's neck when he was strangling them.

Its a hand not a knife. His finger tips aren't sharp. Iron skin gives him strength enhance.
The technique was made to harden Kakuzu's skin, not to make him stronger. Him having a harder arm is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why he was able to punch the gate. If you were to throw a rubber ball at glass it might not break it. However, if you threw a rock at it, it would most definitely break the glass.

It's not a matter of base strength or not, though. It's more a question of how hard is his arm? If it didn't harden his arm, he would've shattered all of the bones in his arm if he punched the iron at full force.

As for the strangling, I think his intention was to restrain them, not kill them.

I don't think you understand the concept of a metaphor.
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smh Iron Skin doesn't make him physically stronger at all.
And PoP making pretty much baseless assumptions again; what a surprise.
At least much greater impact strength.

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Well Kisame head clashed with K1 Bee and did't even flinch. I'd say that's strong.
Actually chakra was all gone.
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It was initially used in the series as a defense mechanism.
Additionally, in an arm wrestle, impact strength is not a factor since they're both starting at a stand still and are hardly moving.
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Hmm.. like Shikamaru said, he might have only increased the density of his arm. Although he had the power to break down the gate, his hand could have been injured.. and I don't recall Kakuzu ever making hand seals for Iron Skin.

Still.. simply kicking Chouji through a tree and breaking down the iron gate are two completely different power feats. This was no ordinary Iron Gate. Kakuzu could already be really strong but even stronger with the iron skin, hence breaking down the gate.
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The kick against Kakashi that made several giant trees fall in the background likely did not have iron skin.
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The technique was made to harden Kakuzu's skin, not to make him stronger. Him having a harder arm is a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why he was able to punch the gate. If you were to throw a rubber ball at glass it might not break it. However, if you threw a rock at it, it would most definitely break the glass.

That's a horrible example and explains nothing and the Naruto wiki even says it not only increases defense but it increases destructive power as well. So it DOES increase strength. I know what im talking about. It was shown to do so. Him getting a strength increase from the technique makes more sense than what youre saying

It's not a matter of base strength or not, though. It's more a question of how hard is his arm? If it didn't harden his arm, he would've shattered all of the bones in his arm if he punched the iron at full force.

As for the strangling, I think his intention was to restrain them, not kill them.

I don't think you understand the concept of a metaphor.
He said "die" as he was strangling them.

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I'm under the impression that you must also think that databooks are accurate when gauging strength and speed. That site is almost purely fan made and is in no way an accurate representation of the technique's strength enhancing capabilities. Impact strength, which Ziggy actually mentioned, is different from physical strength. As far as I'm concerned, you're unable to distinguish the difference between the two. At least I've been able to provide metaphors for you to prove what I'm saying. Your claims were supported by a fan-made site. No, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Chapter and page? Not sure if I remember this. Was this during Kakashi Vs. Kakuzu?
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Shikas right. Impact strength =\= physical strength.. Prime example, Sakura

Shikas explanation was actually on point..

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I'm under the impression that you must also think that databooks are accurate when gauging strength and speed. That site is almost purely fan made and is in no way an accurate representation of the technique's strength enhancing capabilities. Impact strength, which Ziggy actually mentioned, is different from physical strength. As far as I'm concerned, you're unable to distinguish the difference between the two. At least I've been able to provide metaphors for you to prove what I'm saying. Your claims were supported by a fan-made site. No, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Chapter and page? Not sure if I remember this. Was this during Kakashi Vs. Kakuzu?
Like I said before it increases STRENGTH and you just admitted it. Your exact words were "smh, iron skin doesn't enhance strength at all," and then someone basically pointed out that it does now you're trying to act as if I'm wrong and you were right. Stand by what you first instead of trying to talk down on someone. Also everything you said about iron skin is just your dumb assumptions. You clearly don't know about iron skin or Kakuzu so fall back you pretentious moron.
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The Naruto wiki is actually accurate most of the time, though when it says it increases Kakuzu's destructive power. That doesin't always mean it increases his strength. For having Iron skin the momentum behind his punches will definitely factor into his overall destructive power.

In an Arm wrestle, the Iron skin wouldin't increase his strength as there isin't much movement going on.
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Like I said before it increases STRENGTH and you just admitted it. Your exact words were "smh, iron skin doesn't enhance strength at all," and then someone basically pointed out that it does now you're trying to act as if I'm wrong and you were right. Stand by what you first instead of trying to talk down on someone. Also everything you said about iron skin is just your dumb assumptions. You clearly don't know about iron skin or Kakuzu so fall back you pretentious moron.
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Like I said before it increases STRENGTH and you just admitted it. Your exact words were "smh, iron skin doesn't enhance strength at all," and then someone basically pointed out that it does now you're trying to act as if I'm wrong and you were right. Stand by what you first instead of trying to talk down on someone. Also everything you said about iron skin is just your dumb assumptions. You clearly don't know about iron skin or Kakuzu so fall back you pretentious moron.
You better take a seat there man.. Why don't you listen to what he's saying before raging? Iron skin increases the damage done on impact. It doesn't make his muscles any stronger. If you didn't know there's a difference between lifting strength and striking strength.

Shika is 100% right, his strength is not increased, but the destructive power is.
For example... I have a small stick, and I have a hammer. By using a hammer instead of the stick, does that make me stronger?

See this is why I don't insult people in debates.. Cuz if I'm wrong, I'll look like a complete dumbass. Plus I don't need insults
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You better take a seat there man.. Why don't you listen to what he's saying before raging? Iron skin increases the damage done on impact. It doesn't make his muscles any stronger. If you didn't know there's a difference between lifting strength and striking strength.

Shika is 100% right, his strength is not increased, but the destructive power is.
For example... I have a small stick, and I have a hammer. By using a hammer instead of the stick, does that make me stronger?
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