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Old 05-06-2013, 10:24 AM   #41
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Jiyra can curl himself in his hair so he isn't barbuced. Tsunade would use using seal to heal any damage and probably cover with her slug. Orchimaru uses oral rebirth. Also jiyra has shown the ability to run long enough to cast sage mode. You have to actually be able to stop him in order to stop sage mode.

Also while the leaf has info on the sannin, the sannin have info on the leaf. They know everyone's techniques and probably have ways to counter all of them.
Jiryria Curling himself and tsuande healing and oro rebirth does not protect him
-chosa/choji smash
-Nara shadows
-mind transfer
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You really think those 3 have knowledge if everyone in the village?




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I think I remember one time where Oro and the Sand Village pretty much wiped out the Leaf. Without the Third Hokage's sacrifice, they would have kept on going. And I'm pretty sure that Jiraiya and Tsunade together could do just as much damage (or more) as the Sand.
And that was while the Leaf had the Anbu, Choza, and their Kage.
Oro and the sand and sound failed against the leaf. Don't compare there are too many differences
PTs ANBU and chosa are not as strong as current ninja
So again dont compare
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Tsunade is the hokage so yes I do. At least about the major clans.
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Really, PoP? Really?
Oro failed because of the Third. Who is dead now. And don't try telling me that the Anbu and Choza got stronger over the time skip. And how many feats do we have from individual Anbu? How many feats do we have for all those random fodder? Zero. And I'm willing to bet that Tsunade and Jiraiya can cover Oro long enough for him to kill a few ninja and summon some zombies.
And I just can't see the Leaf taking on 6+ giant summons. How long did Oro monster snakes rampage in the Leaf? And then there's Manda, Katsuya, and at least three toads from Jiraiya.
And if Jiraiya goes into Sage mode, well....
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Please counter what the ANBu did on chp425 pg 10-11
how does any Sannin or summoning counter that combo???

How's that for fodder ANBU feats

How do they counter that??
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Kaumi can still be used just for defensive
Defensive Kamui is no Kamui as its not effective for defense in the slightest when opposing the Sannin. Not against a rain of acid, not against dark swamp and not against an ocean of snakes.
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My point is just cuz there is a limited kaumi does not make the village lose
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TSUNADE

Tsunade summons 3 mini Katsuyus for each Sannin including herself to heal/fuel chakara for teamates. Have full Katsuyu to protect her while healing. If someone tresspasses Have Jirayas Mouth of the Toad for extra coverage. If still worse, go Byakugo and tank the attacks then beat down tresspasser. If mouth of the toad is an indoors thing then hiding in a Toad jutsu for coverage. Have Tsunade hide there for her protection. Since she has defence covered have Katsuyu attack the medical corp

JIRAYA

Jiraya Summons 3 Toads ( Bunta,Hiro,Ken ) to handle the Fodder. Frog song Threatening ninja ( Kakashi, Guy ) While Tsunade giving chakara aid to Jiraya he can maintain Sage mode longer and stomp. Spam Fire style with Chakara from Tsuande. I cant counter the akamichi handeling bunta and hiro, but Ken is arguable. Mind transfer is a slowrange jutsu and disturbance is short to mid range Ken has shown great agile skills by being able to fight in the inclosed rain village. Therefore Yamanaka cant really get Ken. Im not Wanking frog song but ok if prep is needed hide in that toad for prep then when Sagemode is ready pop out. Kakashi cant Kamui forever with Jiaraya spamming fire style.

OROCHIMARU

Orochimaru: Edo tensei First and second, protection from Jiraya's Mouth of the Toad. Have Edo Tenseis Attack Other ninja. Have Manda gulp up Civilians meaning ninja have to protect assuming the Village is in character. If mouth of Toad fails to protect Oro during Edo tensei and Oro takes serious dmg have Tsunade Heal. If Enemy is constant attacking shed skin.
since I figured out no Edos, well yeah but if there were Toad hide for prep. Ino cannot mind control Manda. He is simply too fast for her to catch. If you bring Shika then yeah but even shadow having.to chase a gulping, speeding, snake thats blasting through the paths of Konoha. to counter what PoP told.me. I have Wiki evidence if needed

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So the Sannin appear in the village
-right off the bat they summon their main summonings

Yamanak clan counters by using mind transfer (there are at least 3 known Yamanka's)
-Once mind transfer is complete they will go into the summonings mind

now Gama, Kataysu, and Manda are against the sannin
-Ino went into the jubbi's mind so her being the weakest would mean the others and her could stay in their minds for a good time.

Then the summonings would attack the Sannin
-as a result the summonings would be disspelled by the sannin

So now there is no use in using Summonings because the yamanka's will get inside their head ...not to mention that Choji and Choza took on gedo maze so they can take on a few giant animals

After summonings are taken care off they attack.

Jiryia could take out a lot with dark swamp

Tsuande would be busy with Team Guy
-Team Guy has insane stamina so they will just try to outlast Tsuande so she runs out of chakra. Plus even if Team Guy can not finish the job the Anbu or the Aburame can back them up

Oro would have his hands full with most of the village
-Oro has no time to kill fodder ninja and preform the whole ritual without being attacked. And since the edos are weapons/attacks Kakashi can Kaumi them for defensive puporses. Bassically The ANBU and Ino-Shika-cho combo (both generations) would finish him off

Jiryria would face constant pressure
-the village knows of SM so they would not let him go into it so easily.
Aburame bugs would be after him which Jiryria can not escape. Byukkgan can see far enough to know where Jiryria is at all times. Nara's shadows are after Jiryra. Someone from the aikamachi clan is charging waiting to step on them. Kiba can use Wolf Fang over Fang for a one hit kill.

There are just too many combos. Yes the village will take massive damage but the threat will be terminated
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So the Sannin appear in the village
-right off the bat they summon their main summonings

Yamanak clan counters by using mind transfer (there are at least 3 known Yamanka's)
-Once mind transfer is complete they will go into the summonings mind
Your forggeting the fact that mind transfer cant actually get the boss summonigs, its simply too slow. Katsuyu would divide. Bunta do some back flips, and Manda just speed through.
now Gama, Kataysu, and Manda are against the sannin
-Ino went into the jubbi's mind so her being the weakest would mean the others and her could stay in their minds for a good time.

Then the summonings would attack the Sannin
-as a result the summonings would be disspelled by the sannin

So now there is no use in using Summonings because the yamanka's will get inside their head ...not to mention that Choji and Choza took on gedo maze so they can take on a few giant animals

After summonings are taken care off they attack.

Jiryia could take out a lot with dark swamp

Tsuande would be busy with Team Guy
-Team Guy has insane stamina so they will just try to outlast Tsuande so she runs out of chakra. Plus even if Team Guy can not finish the job the Anbu or the Aburame can back them up

Oro would have his hands full with most of the village
-Oro has no time to kill fodder ninja and preform the whole ritual without being attacked. And since the edos are weapons/attacks Kakashi can Kaumi them for defensive puporses. Bassically The ANBU and Ino-Shika-cho combo (both generations) would finish him off

Jiryria would face constant pressure
-the village knows of SM so they would not let him go into it so easily.
Aburame bugs would be after him which Jiryria can not escape. Byukkgan can see far enough to know where Jiryria is at all times. Nara's shadows are after Jiryra. Someone from the aikamachi clan is charging waiting to step on them. Kiba can use Wolf Fang over Fang for a one hit kill.

There are just too many combos. Yes the village will take massive damage but the threat will be terminated
I hope you didn't forget my post I made that took forever
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Choji And Choza never "took on" gedo mazo,as far as i can remember gedo maze kicked their ass,and 6 boss summonings are much more then Gedo Mazo statue,not to mention jiraiya stopped pain's rhino summon attack right?he could just punch choza or choji and they would be flying around konoha.


NO EDO TENSEI-if there was edo tensei that would be an insta win


Basically the sannin cannot die,they have katsuyu to heal them and oro has oral rebirth if the wound is too bad,Tsunade is...tsunade.

And jiraiya would also be healde by katsuyu.So PoP how do the massive Choji and Choza escape dark swamp?or that toad mouth thing jiraiya did against itachi and kisame?Kusanagi can also pierce right through Choji Or Choza's hearts.
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It is not that slow. Are you saying they will insta move as soon as they are summons? Even so Nara and akimachi can hold them down
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Choji And Choza never "took on" gedo mazo,as far as i can remember gedo maze kicked their ass,and 6 boss summonings are much more then Gedo Mazo statue,not to mention jiraiya stopped pain's rhino summon attack right?he could just punch choza or choji and they would be flying around konoha.
gedo Maze was soloing a whole army. 6 boss summonings near the size of Choji at best would not change that fact. What 3 frogs and a slug and a sanke plus a fodder snake. you do realize Earth Sandwhich would have destroyed most of them if not everyone of them besides the slug. Lol unless you think the summonings are on par strength wise with geedo.

You are really overestmatigin the speed of the summonings. You really think the Yamanka's will not land a mind transfer? At least Ino's dad will use Mind Body Distrubance which is faster.
I will say it again Ino used Mind Transfer successfully on the jubbi with that long distance and it was just in time to make the juubbi miss the TBB. Ino's speeed has drastically increased.
Plus they have plentry of time and warning.

Mind Transfer is just one hand seal. The Sannin is obvious when they summon. Everyone knows what a summoning is and how it is preformed. When the Sannin draw blood and slam their hands on the ground it takes a few seconds. As soon as they draw blood they would know what they are doing. So if they don tswitch midns with the summonings they change with the sannin. And the Sannin may have knowledge of all the clans but the summonings do not. So they will not instantly move when the yamankas use their jutsu. The sannin woud not even know that they are doing it.

Again-not to mention Nara can bind them with shadows and choza can use their phsycial strength to hold them down


NO EDO TENSEI-if there was edo tensei that would be an insta win
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Basically the sannin cannot die,they have katsuyu to heal them and oro has oral rebirth if the wound is too bad,Tsunade is...tsunade.
They can run out of chakra

And jiraiya would also be healde by katsuyu.So PoP how do the massive Choji and Choza escape dark swamp?
they dont
or that toad mouth thing jiraiya did against itachi and kisame?
That can only bue sued indoors
Kusanagi can also pierce right through Choji Or Choza's hearts.
That would be like a pin compared to them
I am not saying they are invincibile but now that I answered you not you answer me please

How do Sannin counter
-mind transfer/distrubance on summonings/animals
-Buttefly bullet bomb
-Choza stomping around
-Insect Globe constantly chasing them
-Wolf Fang Over Fang
-Constant Shadows chasing after them
-Air Palms or close up 64palms
-Weapon spam
-Lee and Guy's gates
-ANBU combo on chp425 pg 10-11


Team Guy takes on Tsuande
-Guy and Lee in gates will beat her till she runs out of chakra. Not to mention air palm and weapon spam

Ino-Shika-Cho (current and previous generations) defeat oro
-Oro cant take all of them on

The rest attack jiryria
-Jiryria is not that much of a boss espeically when he does not have time for SM

Summonings are defeated by
-ANBu combo's
-Yamanka mind distrubances
-Aikmachi clan members in giant form
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TSUNADE

Tsunade summons 3 mini Katsuyus for each Sannin including herself to heal/fuel chakara for teamates. Have full Katsuyu to protect her while healing. If someone tresspasses Have Jirayas Mouth of the Toad for extra coverage. If still worse, go Byakugo and tank the attacks then beat down tresspasser. If mouth of the toad is an indoors thing then hiding in a Toad jutsu for coverage. Have Tsunade hide there for her protection. Since she has defence covered have Katsuyu attack the medical corp

Yamanka clan member would go inside frogs brain and make them spit it out
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Aikmachi clan member punches their gut/chokes them to force it open
or
nara clan binds shadows to control them and force to open mouth

JIRAYA

Jiraya Summons 3 Toads ( Bunta,Hiro,Ken ) to handle the Fodder. Frog song Threatening ninja ( Kakashi, Guy ) While Tsunade giving chakara aid to Jiraya he can maintain Sage mode longer and stomp. Spam Fire style with Chakara from Tsuande. I cant counter the akamichi handeling bunta and hiro, but Ken is arguable. Mind transfer is a slowrange jutsu and disturbance is short to mid range Ken has shown great agile skills by being able to fight in the inclosed rain village. Therefore Yamanaka cant really get Ken. Im not Wanking frog song but ok if prep is needed hide in that toad for prep then when Sagemode is ready pop out. Kakashi cant Kamui forever with Jiaraya spamming fire style.

You are really overestmatigin the speed of the summonings. You really think the Yamanka's will not land a mind transfer? At least Ino's dad will use Mind Body Distrubance which is faster.
I will say it again Ino used Mind Transfer successfully on the jubbi with that long distance and it was just in time to make the juubbi miss the TBB. Ino's speeed has drastically increased.

Plus they have plentry of time and warning.

Mind Transfer is just one hand seal. The Sannin is obvious when they summon. Everyone knows what a summoning is and how it is preformed. When the Sannin draw blood and slam their hands on the ground it takes a few seconds. As soon as they draw blood they would know what they are doing. So if they don tswitch midns with the summonings they change with the sannin. And the Sannin may have knowledge of all the clans but the summonings do not. So they will not instantly move when the yamankas use their jutsu. The sannin woud not even know that they are doing it



OROCHIMARU

Orochimaru: Edo tensei First and second, protection from Jiraya's Mouth of the Toad. Have Edo Tenseis Attack Other ninja. Have Manda gulp up Civilians meaning ninja have to protect assuming the Village is in character. If mouth of Toad fails to protect Oro during Edo tensei and Oro takes serious dmg have Tsunade Heal. If Enemy is constant attacking shed skin.

since I figured out no Edos, well yeah but if there were Toad hide for prep. Ino cannot mind control Manda. He is simply too fast for her to catch. If you bring Shika then yeah but even shadow having.to chase a gulping, speeding, snake thats blasting through the paths of Konoha.
how is manda fast?
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gedo Maze was soloing a whole army. 6 boss summonings near the size of Choji at best would not change that fact. What 3 frogs and a slug and a sanke plus a fodder snake. you do realize Earth Sandwhich would have destroyed most of them if not everyone of them besides the slug. Lol unless you think the summonings are on par strength wise with geedo.

The 6 summons we are talking about now together would obliterate the gedo mazo,its nothing compared to 6 of them together.


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You are really overestmatigin the speed of the summonings. You really think the Yamanka's will not land a mind transfer? At least Ino's dad will use Mind Body Distrubance which is faster.
I will say it again Ino used Mind Transfer successfully on the jubbi with that long distance and it was just in time to make the juubbi miss the TBB. Ino's speeed has drastically increased.
Plus they have plentry of time and warning.
Funny how in that post i didn't even mention speed,Anyway.


The Juubi was standing in place preparing its massive tbb for quite some time,not hard for ino to use mind transfer on such a target.

Actually you are the one overestimating mind transfer,can you guarantee their mind won't be kicked out?also if the somehow manage to do it orochimaru can go into the ground and just kill the original body with his kusanagi or even shadow snakes (tsunade has knowledge on the technique and will transfer it through katsuyu minions)


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Again-not to mention Nara can bind them with shadows and choza can use their phsycial strength to hold them down
Obvious BS,you are telling me Shikamaru or some fodder nara will restrain the collosal summons?HAHA,well dude you know what?he was strugglin to keep hidan under restrain im 100% sure he could keep the boss summons restrained (sarcasm intended)



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They can run out of chakra
All of sannin have ridiculous stamina and chakra levels,and there is katsuyu to fuel.


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That would be like a pin compared to them

Kusanagi could damage the adamantine staff,ur telling me Choza's or Choji's skin is harder then that?



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How do Sannin counter
-mind transfer/distrubance on summonings/animals
-Buttefly bullet bomb
-Choza stomping around
-Insect Globe constantly chasing them
-Wolf Fang Over Fang
-Constant Shadows chasing after them
-Air Palms or close up 64palms
-Weapon spam
-Lee and Guy's gates
-ANBU combo on chp425 pg 10-11
IM pretty sure mind transfer wouldn't work on Orochimaru,he has that dimension and other bodies in it after all+hes too tricky to fall for a jutsu like that,(I bet ur gonna ask me for proof but i think u and i both know what i said is true)

And they could just kill the original body and jutsu stops.


Butterfly bomb?isn't that jutsu like kill or die?they need medical attention after it,sannin can easily tank this jutsu.

Choza gets stabbed with kusanagi through heart or gets his head eaten by manda.nom nom


Insect Globe?Jiraiya's fire style.


Shadows are easily evaded.


Fang Over Fang?HAHAHAH


Who is retarded enough to come close to do 64 palms?Tsunade could slap Neji or Hinata and its over,same with others.


Weapon spam?seriously?


Guy and Lee Gates are tricky yes,but they cannot hurt any of the sannin.

orochimaru-gets beaten up,Oral Rebirth.

Tsunade-Byakogou (wrong name,ik)

Jiraiya-Covers with hair.


So?Anbu take out one of the summonings? ;o


Ur saying Orochimaru would lose to Ino-Shikamaru-Choji and their fathers?come on man...be real.


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how is manda fast?

HAHAHAH!!!!

Go re-read the chapters when Sannin fought with their summonings,he escaped acid and went to choke katsuyu but as slipy as a slug is she escaped :/

Bottom line hes very fast,also very durable,he wasn't obliterated to pieces by C0.Yes he died but his body was still in place,pretty impressive feat i would say,it means his body is at least 10 times harder then ground which was destroyed all around C0.
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The 6 summons we are talking about now together would obliterate the gedo mazo,its nothing compared to 6 of them together.
whatever that is for another thread.




Funny how in that post i didn't even mention speed,Anyway.
was not meant for you


The Juubi was standing in place preparing its massive tbb for quite some time,not hard for ino to use mind transfer on such a target.
at that great of a distance and to overpower such a beast is not to be underestimated

Actually you are the one overestimating mind transfer,can you guarantee their mind won't be kicked out?
Can you gurantee that it wont b kicked out? If Ino can take over the jubbi for a lil bit then there is no reason they can not take on a summoning. The summoning have no resitant feats. At least all of the yamanka's can use mind transfer and focus on one of the summonings at a time to take them down

also if the somehow manage to do it orochimaru can go into the ground and just kill the original body with his kusanagi or even shadow snakes (tsunade has knowledge on the technique and will transfer it through katsuyu minions)
Lol you think the ANBu will just let the bodies be there? And killing the orgiinal bodies will kill the possed ones as well. Their bodies would be protected and guarded. Afterall its an ENTIRE VILLAGE




Obvious BS,you are telling me Shikamaru or some fodder nara will restrain the collosal summons?HAHA,well dude you know what?he was strugglin to keep hidan under restrain im 100% sure he could keep the boss summons restrained (sarcasm intended)
yes with the help of mind control and physical resitant





All of sannin have ridiculous stamina and chakra levels,and there is katsuyu to fuel.
That does not mean they have an infinite amount of chakra




Kusanagi could damage the adamantine staff,ur telling me Choza's or Choji's skin is harder then that?
NOOOO I am just saying it would be a smal weapon. It would cut but it would take time to go that deep.





IM pretty sure mind transfer wouldn't work on Orochimaru,he has that dimension and other bodies in it after all+hes too tricky to fall for a jutsu like that,(I bet ur gonna ask me for proof but i think u and i both know what i said is true)
So you have no proof? But mind transfer still works on Tsuande and Jirryai

And they could just kill the original body and jutsu stops.
the possed body would also be killed

Butterfly bomb?isn't that jutsu like kill or die?they need medical attention after it,sannin can easily tank this jutsu.
No current Choji did not use med attention after he used it against edos

Choza gets stabbed with kusanagi through heart or gets his head eaten by manda.nom nom
Choz can grab the sword or destroy it with brute force


Insect Globe?Jiraiya's fire style..
The globes are CONSANTLy atacking. There are multiple Aburamae clan members. are you saying Jiryria will constantly use fire style? The only one to avoid Inset Globe is Tobi.


Shadows are easily evaded.
explain...it would be multiple shadows at once


Fang Over Fang?HAHAHAH
again you FAIL to read I am talking about WOLF FANG OVER FANG


Who is retarded enough to come close to do 64 palms?Tsunade could slap Neji or Hinata and its over,same with others.
Neji can rush in to get close. But he would keep distance with Air Palms along with Hinata or any other hyuug memeber


Weapon spam?seriously?
Seriously whats your counter


Guy and Lee Gates are tricky yes,but they cannot hurt any of the sannin.
They can occupy them

orochimaru-gets beaten up,Oral Rebirth.
Which uses lots of chakra

Tsunade-Byakogou (wrong name,ik)
Does not last forever

Jiraiya-Covers with hair.
Long/mid range jutsu still take effect
-air palms, insects, fire style, water style, lighting style, weapon spam, genjutsu e.t.c Plus Jiryria can not be covered in his hair forever


So?Anbu take out one of the summonings? ;o
One at a time yes. That earth lid would hold any of the summonings besides kataysu


Ur saying Orochimaru would lose to Ino-Shikamaru-Choji and their fathers?come on man...be real.
Then tell me how he would counter there combo





HAHAHAH!!!!

Go re-read the chapters when Sannin fought with their summonings,he escaped acid and went to choke katsuyu but as slipy as a slug is she escaped :/
yeah cuz a slug is so fast

Bottom line hes very fast,also very durable,he wasn't obliterated to pieces by C0.Yes he died but his body was still in place,pretty impressive feat i would say,it means his body is at least 10 times harder then ground which was destroyed all around C0.
Okay but he is not going to move off the bat especially when he does not get along with oro and when he does not know of Yamanka abilities also when its obious when the summoning is going to happen
Ino-Shika-Cho (combo)

1- Choji jump in he air and floats there with butterfly wings
-this creates a shadow over the village
2-Nara clan uses the natural shadows that Choji made to strentghen their shadows to bind enemy
3-Yamanka's or any other clan finihes them with an attack or

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Tsunade summons 3 mini Katsuyus for each Sannin including herself to heal/fuel chakara for teamates. Have full Katsuyu to protect her while healing. If someone tresspasses Have Jirayas Mouth of the Toad for extra coverage. If still worse, go Byakugo and tank the attacks then beat down tresspasser. If mouth of the toad is an indoors thing then hiding in a Toad jutsu for coverage. Have Tsunade hide there for her protection. Since she has defence covered have Katsuyu attack the medical corp
Yamanka clan member would go inside frogs brain and make them spit it out
or
Aikmachi clan member punches their gut/chokes them to force it open
or
nara clan binds shadows to control them and force to open mouth

How are they suppose to find the toad? the hidden leaf village is simply too big, for all we know they could be hidden in the forest. Look how Nagato hid, outside the hidden Leaf. So no one would find it anyhow its a small toad after all.

JIRAYA

Jiraya Summons 3 Toads ( Bunta,Hiro,Ken ) to handle the Fodder. Frog song Threatening ninja ( Kakashi, Guy ) While Tsunade giving chakara aid to Jiraya he can maintain Sage mode longer and stomp. Spam Fire style with Chakara from Tsuande. I cant counter the akamichi handeling bunta and hiro, but Ken is arguable. Mind transfer is a slowrange jutsu and disturbance is short to mid range Ken has shown great agile skills by being able to fight in the inclosed rain village. Therefore Yamanaka cant really get Ken. Im not Wanking frog song but ok if prep is needed hide in that toad for prep then when Sagemode is ready pop out. Kakashi cant Kamui forever with Jiaraya spamming fire style.
You are really overestmatigin the speed of the summonings. You really think the Yamanka's will not land a mind transfer? At least Ino's dad will use Mind Body Distrubance which is faster.
I will say it again Ino used Mind Transfer successfully on the jubbi with that long distance and it was just in time to make the juubbi miss the TBB. Ino's speeed has drastically increased.
Plus they have plentry of time and warning.

Mind Transfer is just one hand seal. The Sannin is obvious when they summon. Everyone knows what a summoning is and how it is preformed. When the Sannin draw blood and slam their hands on the ground it takes a few seconds. As soon as they draw blood they would know what they are doing. So if they don tswitch midns with the summonings they change with the sannin. And the Sannin may have knowledge of all the clans but the summonings do not. So they will not instantly move when the yamankas use their jutsu. The sannin woud not even know that they are doing it

Its not like the Sannin will summon in front of people especially when they know Yamanaka are near by. Im not overestamating, Im saying its just too hard if you look on the Wiki you would know Mind disturbance is short range. And you cant really give fodder Yamanaka the feats to say they can control the boss summoning you can only give credit to Inoichi and Ino. And I'm not basing this on ALL the summonings just Ken. If you can see I said I cant really counter Akimichi father and son handeling Bunta and Hiro, but Yamanaka handeling Ken. Kens shown great agile feats to dodge the short to mid range jutsu the Yamanaka posses.

OROCHIMARU

Orochimaru: Edo tensei First and second, protection from Jiraya's Mouth of the Toad. Have Edo Tenseis Attack Other ninja. Have Manda gulp up Civilians meaning ninja have to protect assuming the Village is in character. If mouth of Toad fails to protect Oro during Edo tensei and Oro takes serious dmg have Tsunade Heal. If Enemy is constant attacking shed skin.
since I figured out no Edos, well yeah but if there were Toad hide for prep. Ino cannot mind control Manda. He is simply too fast for her to catch. If you bring Shika then yeah but even shadow having.to chase a gulping, speeding, snake thats blasting through the paths of Konoha.
how is manda fast?

Kioroshi, answered the Manda being fast part so yeah you get how fast Manda can be.


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Chapter 170 page 9.Manda moved AFTER the acid was spit and tsunade could barely keep up his speed with sight,also he was already warped around katsuyu when acid hit the ground.

Thats how fast manda is,also chapter 170 page 15 look at size of that bite...
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Chapter 170 page 9.Manda moved AFTER the acid was spit and tsunade could barely keep up his speed with sight,also he was already warped around katsuyu when acid hit the ground.
again. being faster and surprising Katasuyu is not a major feat. Katasyus is a slug and slugs are slow. It did not move from its spot the entire battle until it divided. Tsaunde kept up with its speed but ktatysu did not.

Thats how fast manda is,also chapter 170 page 15 look at size of that bite...
that does not mean its faster than mind transfer. Mind transfer would be read to go as he sannin are summoning it. Unless your saying manda willl instantly move as soon as its fired which is lolz
the summonings do not know of mind transfer and Oro and Manda dont even get along. It would be ridiciulus and OOC for Manda to move right away off the bat along with the other summonings.
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TSUNADE

Tsunade summons 3 mini Katsuyus for each Sannin including herself to heal/fuel chakara for teamates. Have full Katsuyu to protect her while healing. If someone tresspasses Have Jirayas Mouth of the Toad for extra coverage. If still worse, go Byakugo and tank the attacks then beat down tresspasser. If mouth of the toad is an indoors thing then hiding in a Toad jutsu for coverage. Have Tsunade hide there for her protection. Since she has defence covered have Katsuyu attack the medical corp
Yamanka clan member would go inside frogs brain and make them spit it out
or
Aikmachi clan member punches their gut/chokes them to force it open
or
nara clan binds shadows to control them and force to open mouth

How are they suppose to find the toad? the hidden leaf village is simply too big, for all we know they could be hidden in the forest. Look how Nagato hid, outside the hidden Leaf. So no one would find it anyhow its a small toad after all.
the battle starts in the hidden leaf village.
you think Gama is small? i towered over the forest.
The OP is no specific of where everyone is but its as if they are in the actuall village then the border. The OP does not state if they know the sannin are attacking. Since its a batle they should so Hinata would find them with bykugan and Shino can find them with bugs.

JIRAYA

Jiraya Summons 3 Toads ( Bunta,Hiro,Ken ) to handle the Fodder. Frog song Threatening ninja ( Kakashi, Guy ) While Tsunade giving chakara aid to Jiraya he can maintain Sage mode longer and stomp. Spam Fire style with Chakara from Tsuande. I cant counter the akamichi handeling bunta and hiro, but Ken is arguable. Mind transfer is a slowrange jutsu and disturbance is short to mid range Ken has shown great agile skills by being able to fight in the inclosed rain village. Therefore Yamanaka cant really get Ken. Im not Wanking frog song but ok if prep is needed hide in that toad for prep then when Sagemode is ready pop out. Kakashi cant Kamui forever with Jiaraya spamming fire style.
You are really overestmatigin the speed of the summonings. You really think the Yamanka's will not land a mind transfer? At least Ino's dad will use Mind Body Distrubance which is faster.
I will say it again Ino used Mind Transfer successfully on the jubbi with that long distance and it was just in time to make the juubbi miss the TBB. Ino's speeed has drastically increased.
Plus they have plentry of time and warning.

Mind Transfer is just one hand seal. The Sannin is obvious when they summon. Everyone knows what a summoning is and how it is preformed. When the Sannin draw blood and slam their hands on the ground it takes a few seconds. As soon as they draw blood they would know what they are doing. So if they don tswitch midns with the summonings they change with the sannin. And the Sannin may have knowledge of all the clans but the summonings do not. So they will not instantly move when the yamankas use their jutsu. The sannin woud not even know that they are doing it

Its not like the Sannin will summon in front of people especially when they know Yamanaka are near by. Im not overestamating, Im saying its just too hard if you look on the Wiki you would know Mind disturbance is short range. And you cant really give fodder Yamanaka the feats to say they can control the boss summoning you can only give credit to Inoichi and Ino. And I'm not basing this on ALL the summonings just Ken. If you can see I said I cant really counter Akimichi father and son handeling Bunta and Hiro, but Yamanaka handeling Ken. Kens shown great agile feats to dodge the short to mid range jutsu the Yamanaka posses.
Most of your argument is if the Sannin do not start in the actuall village itself which is unknown. WIth that arguement I can say tha the villagers are not just in the village itself but scattered around in the forest as well. Agreed Inochi and Ino are the only ones. So one could get Kataysu while the other gets Manda. But once Ken is summoned he is not going to instnatly dodge. Ken does not know of Yamanka abilities.

OROCHIMARU

Orochimaru: Edo tensei First and second, protection from Jiraya's Mouth of the Toad. Have Edo Tenseis Attack Other ninja. Have Manda gulp up Civilians meaning ninja have to protect assuming the Village is in character. If mouth of Toad fails to protect Oro during Edo tensei and Oro takes serious dmg have Tsunade Heal. If Enemy is constant attacking shed skin.
since I figured out no Edos, well yeah but if there were Toad hide for prep. Ino cannot mind control Manda. He is simply too fast for her to catch. If you bring Shika then yeah but even shadow having.to chase a gulping, speeding, snake thats blasting through the paths of Konoha.
how is manda fast?

Kioroshi, answered the Manda being fast part so yeah you get how fast Manda can be.
not that fast


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