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Old 03-29-2013, 10:55 AM   #41
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Because Hashirama takes a load of unpredictable risks such as the Uchiha.. what would be to happen if Hashirama's kindness backfired on him? - the loss of the village
The point is his kindness did NOT backfire and he handled every issue. Hashirama was not only being kind but wise as well. He was tired of seeing his people die and the senju would be exstinct if they kept up this senseless war.
On the other hand, Tobirama is willing to do anything even if it's bad to ensure the survival of the village which pretty much guarantees its survival
that is unture because if he did everything he would have made peace with the Uchiha people

It has nothing to do with brute strength
So you dont want a leader who is strong and will protect you from other brute strength threats??
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Thinking about it now though they both have very different influences on the villagers and shinobi though..
I like to think Hashirama influenced Hiruzen and Tobirama influenced Danzo (and we all know how he turned out)
Its funi how Tobirama influenced Danzo and not Hiruzen. Tobirama directly taught Hiruzen and was his sensei while Danzo was not. Hiruzen was the better hokage obviously. He was choosen to be hokage and had the longest reign. He also inspired most of the ninja of today. In and out of Narutoverse Danzo is not liked nor trusted. Hiruzen may have taught Oro but Danzo worked with him which is MUCH worse. Danzo tried to destroy the leaf just so he could be hokage. he killed a messenger frog and let the leaf be destroyed while Root hid.

As a leader though Hashirama is reckless and takes many dangerous risks but Tobirama clearly has his faults though
Not trusting the Uchiha was a bigger risk than making peace. THe treaty saved lives.
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Tobirama I think.
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Because Hashirama takes a load of unpredictable risks such as the Uchiha.. what would be to happen if Hashirama's kindness backfired on him? - the loss of the village
The point is his kindness did NOT backfire and he handled every issue. Hashirama was not only being kind but wise as well. He was tired of seeing his people die and the senju would be exstinct if they kept up this senseless war.
This does not make Hashi a good leader, it makes him lucky. According to the way things were going, the uchiha would've kicked it first.

On the other hand, Tobirama is willing to do anything even if it's bad to ensure the survival of the village which pretty much guarantees its survival
that is unture because if he did everything he would have made peace with the Uchiha people. Propaganda. The leader of the uchiha, Madara didn't agree to peace until Hashi showed his guts. Uchihas were defecting already. Sorry in any world kind words and ideals don't always go far, how many years has it been? and how many great ninja wars? Not everyone is so kindhearted as hashirama. Hashi only trusted madara because of the fact they knew each other as kids in a friendly manner. Tobirama had full right to be skeptical and does not reflect bad leadership.

It has nothing to do with brute strength
So you dont want a leader who is strong and will protect you from other brute strength threats?? if we go based on history strategy will best numbers and strength. Brute strength is irrelevant
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Thinking about it now though they both have very different influences on the villagers and shinobi though..
I like to think Hashirama influenced Hiruzen and Tobirama influenced Danzo (and we all know how he turned out)
Its funi how Tobirama influenced Danzo and not Hiruzen. Tobirama directly taught Hiruzen and was his sensei while Danzo was not. Hiruzen was the better hokage obviously. He was choosen to be hokage and had the longest reign. He also inspired most of the ninja of today. In and out of Narutoverse Danzo is not liked nor trusted. Hiruzen may have taught Oro but Danzo worked with him which is MUCH worse. Danzo tried to destroy the leaf just so he could be hokage. he killed a messenger frog and let the leaf be destroyed while Root hid.
^ irrelevant danzo's actions are his own
As a leader though Hashirama is reckless and takes many dangerous risks but Tobirama clearly has his faults though
Not trusting the Uchiha was a bigger risk than making peace. THe treaty saved lives. Not true. The making peace portion just happened to work, which is the only basis you have for this statement. It could have just as easily went the other way. And Tobirama didn't trust Madara specifically, as for the entire uchiha clan, whatever his motives, their job was still the best job for them, being the police of shinobi.
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What did Hashi do besides having a dream and putting everyone in danger?
Hasirama's dream saved lives. Both sides were dying. The peace treaty stopped the senseless death of both clans. Hashirama is savior. He then created the village which other clans soon joined and not only created by inspired more peace. Even if Hashirama put his people in danger he took care of it himself. THe leaf was feared and so was Hashirama he protected his people more so than Tobirama did.

You forget that the 3rd hokage also had a part in Danzo's being Danzo
^lol wut how! Are you saing its Hiruzen's fault for Danzo being jealous?

What about the Cloud village? The Hidden Mist? Ect, these villages had no influence from Hashirama, and there just as big, now look at Facebook, can you really tell me that taking another person's idea and improving on it is not better then just having a dream and not think about all the risks.
Other villages formed because they took the idea from Hashirama. Hashirama started the idea of making villlages and others did the same.

This is hype (I don't believe it, how Mist had 2, Cloud had 2, and Stone had 2 as will, what? did Hashi feel so charitable that day?), and also, was the dumbest move ever. and I disagree, Germany came up with the Nuke 1st, but America and Britain stopped them from completing it, who got the best out of it? America or Germany?
I cant take you seriously when you get your info wrong. For example the Stone village had 1 bijju. Also The mist and Cloud village are one of the strongest and most active so (I am assuming here since we do not have proof) maybe he gave them extra bijju for extra peace/negotiation. But nobody knows for sure at the moment.

Yeah, Madara is the killer of his brother, I do hope you remember that.
Izuna wanted to die. He loved his brother and his clan so much that he was willing to die for it. He knew that Madara was stronger and that izuna and Madara were both losing light plus Izuna was in a bad state thanks to Tobirama. SO Izuna did the honorable thing and let Madara kill him so madara and the clan could become stronger
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Luck does not exist plus you can not prove it was luck it was skill and power of Hashirama

Tobirama did not have to trust the Uchiha he just had to trust his older and overall better brother. If Tobirama just followed and listend to Hashirama more problems like Edo Tensi would not be happening right now.

Hashirama had both stategy and power

They were his own but people can still be influecned to do wrong things. But this is not really not about Danzo I was just brinign up another point.

The point is it turned to peace. Yes there was a risk but Hashirama was confident and it worked.

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Tobirama was nearly killed by the uchiha father in that skirmish. That makes him bait at the age of 7, that's a sacrifice
So same can be said for Izuna
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Two things, voted for tobirama.
1) More level headed.
a level headed hokage would not try to kill Saskue without hearing him out first
2) Wouldn't have had the Madara and possibly the Sasuke problem had he been in charge.
What do you mean if Tobirama was in charge since the begining instead of Hashirama? If Tobirama was in charge of the senju or the 1st hokage then the senju and Uchiha clans would have killed each other. Also TObirama feared Madara so Madara would have killed Tobirama. If the Uchiha were exstinct the Leaf would not have been as powerful.
Tobirama has that cold calculus a leader needs. Make the tough, controversial decisions without so much as batting an eye.
lol that is not always the best kind of leader
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My vote broke the Tie, But Ye I think Hasirama because he's more cunning, but he has a downside... He is forgiving. Also with Tobirama he had to much hate so it's a stale mate but I'm only going with Hashirama because he's cool :P And he built the village also He's a better fighter.
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Hashirama wanted Madara to be hokage. Idiotic. He's trying to play psychologist to keep his mentally fragile friend happy.

Is Madara the best choice for the village? Of course not. Hashirama was talking democracy and law and order. At his age.

You can only pick hashirama for being more powerful and nice. Nice doesn't always finish first.

Tobirama would not have killed himself or his brother. The result!!! he would have killed Madara, and let the Uchiha come over like they started doing anyway.

Tobirama in a landslide. He probably told hashirama how to lead the village anyway.

But wait, why was hashirama voted in first? Well the Uchiha picked him over Tobirama. That's not a knock on Tobirama though. The other clans recognized hashirama as the leader of the Senju.

But when you look back at intelligence and leadership skills, not just intent...

Tobirama.

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Hashirama wanted Madara to be hokage. Idiotic. He's trying to play psychologist to keep his mentally fragile friend happy.
idiotic.....I guess cuz Tobirama had a lot of reasons why that was not going to happen
But it was alsoo idealistic and trying to make him happy. Hashirama did not want to exclude the Uchiha. He wanted them to be equal which is what peace is.

Is Madara the best choice for the village? Of course not. Hashirama was talking democracy and law and order. At his age.
I think you mean Tobirama. and lol what does his age have to do with it. They were in their mid 20's or 30's that is not impressive at all.


You can only pick hashirama for being more powerful and nice. Nice doesn't always finish first.
neither do weak jerks

Tobirama would not have killed himself or his brother. The result!!! he would have killed Madara, and let the Uchiha come over like they started doing anyway.
Tobirama should have killed himself. He was the one to help cause Izuna's death so this would be a perfect way for him to fix his own mistake. Plus his death would cause peace. With the death of Madara there would still be war and someone would have gained a stronger sharigan out of it watching a comrade die. It would just continue the cycle of hatred. The death of Madara would not solve anything

Tobirama in a landslide. He probably told hashirama how to lead the village anyway.
Obviously its not a lnadsilde when Hashirama is winning in the polls. If Tobirama was such a great leader he would not have been the 2nd hokage. He did NOT tell Hashirama how to lead the village. Once again you are assuming. Hashirama created the idea of having an academy and mission levels and not only the dream for peace but capturing the dream for peace

But wait, why was hashirama voted in first? Well the Uchiha picked him over Tobirama. That's not a knock on Tobirama though. The other clans recognized hashirama as the leader of the Senju.
Hashirama was voted in by a landslide nobody wanted Tobirama to be 1st.

But when you look back at intelligence and leadership skills, not just intent...

Tobirama.
I agree that Tobirama was smarter but not a better leader.Hashirama brought a nation together. Tobirama just followed Hashirama. Hashirama did so much more leadership than Tobirama. Which is why Hashirama was the 1st hokage. he even lead the senju and Tobirama was never really the leader of the senju.
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What did Hashi do besides having a dream and putting everyone in danger?
Hasirama's dream saved lives. Both sides were dying. The peace treaty stopped the senseless death of both clans. Hashirama is savior. He then created the village which other clans soon joined and not only created by inspired more peace. Even if Hashirama put his people in danger he took care of it himself. THe leaf was feared and so was Hashirama he protected his people more so than Tobirama did.

You forget that the 3rd hokage also had a part in Danzo's being Danzo
^lol wut how! Are you saing its Hiruzen's fault for Danzo being jealous?

What about the Cloud village? The Hidden Mist? Ect, these villages had no influence from Hashirama, and there just as big, now look at Facebook, can you really tell me that taking another person's idea and improving on it is not better then just having a dream and not think about all the risks.
Other villages formed because they took the idea from Hashirama. Hashirama started the idea of making villlages and others did the same.

This is hype (I don't believe it, how Mist had 2, Cloud had 2, and Stone had 2 as will, what? did Hashi feel so charitable that day?), and also, was the dumbest move ever. and I disagree, Germany came up with the Nuke 1st, but America and Britain stopped them from completing it, who got the best out of it? America or Germany?
I cant take you seriously when you get your info wrong. For example the Stone village had 1 bijju. Also The mist and Cloud village are one of the strongest and most active so (I am assuming here since we do not have proof) maybe he gave them extra bijju for extra peace/negotiation. But nobody knows for sure at the moment.

Yeah, Madara is the killer of his brother, I do hope you remember that.
Izuna wanted to die. He loved his brother and his clan so much that he was willing to die for it. He knew that Madara was stronger and that izuna and Madara were both losing light plus Izuna was in a bad state thanks to Tobirama. SO Izuna did the honorable thing and let Madara kill him so madara and the clan could become stronger
Now your being hard headed, Mist, Stone, and Cloud had 2 Bijju each, look it up your self, look at each Bijju's head band.
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and if you love someone, would do everything to let them live happily, He wasn't in a coma, he was blinded and in pain from a cut, cuts heal, maybe he wouldn't be able to walk anymore, learn some better jutsu, and blindness don't mean carp, look up Zatoichi. Damn this is why I believe Orochimaru, Kabuto and Obito are better villains.
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Tobirama he's level headed (He didn't kill the Uchiha even after his brother died)
That is because there was already peace and killing them would cause a civil war. This does not make him level headed it makes him not an idoit
and broad minded (Knew that the other clans joining would have to have a say in Kageship and knew they wouldn't agree to Madara being Kage).
Again he is no brainiac cuz this was a lil obvi
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Tobirama, obviously. Best example is this manga chapter.
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2- madara

2- kill yourself or your brother!
1- okay. Ill kill myself. thx. (killing himself)
This is an honroable thing to do. What Hahsirama was willing to do is a sign of a TRUE Ninja. You really do not know true sacrifice do you? Hashirama yearned for peace and would do anything to get it.
2- LOL!. senju are stupid! Now im most powerfull guy here and ill roflstomp all the senju! Uchiha won!! MUAHAHAHHA!
lol wut! THis would not happen Madara was already defeated and near death he did not have the power to go against them. Tobirama would have killed him right there. The point is that did not happen. Unlike YOU Madara has more honor than that. Hashiraam knew Madara would not do that because of his love for his brother and their childhoond

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^ of course,hashirama is a softie,tobirama does what has to be done.hashirama tries to find a way around it and make everybody happy.
Because that is a true leader. He satisfied the needs of others. He saved lives and made peace. He did the unthinkable and did the impossbile he was not afraid to do it unlike Tobirama.

In a way he lives inside his own made up happy world and tries to focus solely on it.
lol wut!?!

Tobirama:it will finally be over,lets kill this fegget!
Hashirama:No!spare him,we used to throw rocks over the river.
Me:fuuuuuuuuuuuu
you cant be serious? If Hashirama listend to Tobirama the peace treaty would not have been formed and the leaf village would never have been created
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Hashirama may have made the Leaf, but Tobirama made important parts of it's infrastructure that it would not have survived without.
SO? Withtout Hashirama Tobirama would not have anything to make. hashirama inspired Tobirama and Hashirama created the ideas like the academy and how the village would work. Tobirama is just a right hand man. Literally a VP to Hashirama's Presidential status.
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Well. Since he is brother of hashirama...his brothers was killed by uchiha. But he accepted this alliance, cause thats for peace. Thats sacrifice. He could have just been like madara. Nooou! U killed my bro! Kill yourself madara! Then I can trust you!
Madara did not kill Tobirama's bro. Plus if Tobirama went against Hashirama then Hashirama would just give Tobirama a BEAT DOWN
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Isnt it a little egocentric look on things? Why everything should go around madara and hashi? What about all other senju and uchihas? Why only madara brother matters? Madara didnt want to accept peace, cause senju killed his brothers earlier. It wasnt tobirama or hashi. But it was enough for maddy to stop dreaming and start killing. So its a sacrifice for anyone who lost brother, to accept the clan, members of which killed them. And tobirama was ready for this sacrifice at the young age. Same as hashirama.
...huh?

And...what sacrifice exactly hashirama did? Dont tell me about suicide. That was plain stupid. Like i said before, he had no guaranty, that madara would do as he said. After all, it wasnt his 1-st time going back at his own words..
I already expained this above why you are more stupid than hashriama but there is no guranttee's in life. Without sparing Madara the leaf village would have never been made

And I didnt see anything inappropriate from tobirama. Yes. He doesnt like uchihas. But who would like them anyway? Voting showed this all. No one trusts uchiha. Except hashi.
Tobirama was the ONLY PERSON to still show ill will towards Uchiha. He was rude to all of them and would not sacrifice himself

Even uchihas wont trust their leader. It says it all.
Whihch is why Tobirama had no need to watch them
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So why did you even bother making a poll then?(-.-)

Honestly, neither of them was that good. But if I have to choose between the two, I'd go with Tobirama.

-Logic>Emotion
-More rational
-More catious
-Not as naive as his brother

However, I'm ambivalent towards his decision regarding the Uchiha clan.
He knew how unweildy the Uchiha Clan's emotions were, and wanted them to focus their efforts on a single goal whilst protecting the village. At the same time, he insulted the Uchiha clan by showing that he had no trust in them.

People are putting too much blame on him though. His intentions weren't necessarily malevolent. The Uchihas put the whole village in danger over their pride. Hiruzen tried peace talks with them but they ignored him. They are mostly to blame for the outcome due to their obsession with revenge.

Caution>Credulity
My vote goes for Tobirama.
This doesn't mean that I consider him a good leader overall though.

Hiruzen on the other hand, balances out their traits.
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Tobirama had no reason to mess with their pride in the first place. They Uchiha were fine and trustworthy. They left Madara for the leaf for crying out loud. If that does not show loyatly I do not know what does. Not only was the Uchiha's pride damaged but their trust was hurt as well! They thought they would be treated equally when they are being treated like dogs. Dont cha see! Madara foresaw this and it is coming true. That means the Uchiha forsaken'd Madara when they should have listen to him. The only way to make it up to Madara was to attack the leaf. This is why Tobirama is one of the MAIN reasons the Uchiha Massacure happened and where everything went wrong!

On the other Hand

We have Hashirama who not only had a dream for peace but went after it as well. If Hashirama did not make the treaty with the UChiha BOTH clans would have burn'd out and died. The only way was to make peace. This way they would have made the leaf and become stronger. Hashirama was the better hokage because he saved hundreds of lives from the treaty and formed the first village where people could feel safe. Hashirama wanted people to be equal and live in peace.

Under Hashirama's leadership there was peace unlike under Tobirama's there was WAR
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This is an honroable thing to do. What Hahsirama was willing to do is a sign of a TRUE Ninja. You really do not know true sacrifice do you? Hashirama yearned for peace and would do anything to get it.
True ninja should kill his enemys. Not kill himself when they ask for this. Even if they ask nicely and sweet talk. There already was way for peace. After death of madara, uchiha would just join leaf. They didnt like madara anyway. But he let his emotions win over his mind. He wanted not only peace. He wanted peace with madara. Thats not a leader decision.
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lol wut! THis would not happen Madara was already defeated and near death he did not have the power to go against them. Tobirama would have killed him right there. The point is that did not happen. Unlike YOU Madara has more honor than that. Hashiraam knew Madara would not do that because of his love for his brother and their childhoond
Suuuure... so he can't go their way...agree on everything..then recover and roflstom senjus? He could have done this. Easily. Hashirama already showed, that he mistakes to often about madara. 1-st his childhood change. Then after peace was achived....madara wasnt able to accept hashirama as hokage. So you can't say "Hey! Hashirama allways right" Cause he isnt. Thx to hashirama village was built. Yes. But thx to hashirama village was on the brink of destruction many times. Just cause he trusted, that madara would change. Already told ya in other thread, which you ignored.
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Madara did not kill Tobirama's bro. Plus if Tobirama went against Hashirama then Hashirama would just give Tobirama a BEAT DOWN
Madara was fighting senju, just cause some random senju killed all other bros of his. He pushed this war so far, that even izuna had to die. That all was before tobirama killed izuna. Tobirama could have pulled the same way. Oh no hashi...my hand just slipped and sword is now inside madara head. What beating hashi would give him? Its a joke. 1-st of all, tobirama most likely faster then hashi. thats only 1-st. 2-nd - tobirama half right doing this. Even hashi would accept this, with time. 3-rd... tobirama is still his brother. Hashi is to soft to beat his brother for argument where he is half wrong. But even knowing all this, Tobirama accepted his brother authority and sacrificed his own ambitions, cause other way he would hurt hashirama.
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...huh?
Exactly. Many senju died. Many uchihas died. But nooou...only izuna matters. Others just should keep silent and do whatever emodara wants. Then he would think about accepting peace. Thats no leader. Thats not even jounin. Just usual brute. Madara doesnt care for his clan. Just his ambitions. And hashirama was ready to make such person hokage? Thats VERY stupid. Obviously stupid. So he rdy to put village at risk for what? For crazy madara? Sure....that would work...
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I already expained this above why you are more stupid than hashriama but there is no guranttee's in life. Without sparing Madara the leaf village would have never been made
Someone rly have trouble with this argument. Already offending your opponent. Nice. Id say the one who is not smart is the one, who keep pushing his point after losing argument about it already.

And. Kill madara > Uchihas already was defecting. So....Uchihas make new leader...one of the sane ones. And here we go. You can make peace with him. Konoha ready. Though name would be different. Since madara came up with it.
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Tobirama was the ONLY PERSON to still show ill will towards Uchiha. He was rude to all of them and would not sacrifice himself
Wrong. He wasnt. It was private talk with hashirama. He just pushed democracy voting for hokage. And yes. He didnt like uchiha. Like others.

If people would have liked uchihas, or at least trusted them, > they would have listened to hashirama recommendation and choose madara for leader. But that was obviously bad choice, so, by voting, madara had no chance.
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PoP will you ever stop with this?if someone reads post 44 and 47 they can see how much you WANT hashirama to be better then tobirama just cuz you like him more,its a fact that hashirama is a softie and tobirama is not.Also where do you get that hes weak?all your statements and so called arguments are started out of fanboyism of hashirama and hate of tobirama,stop bothering the forums with this anymore,its been 2 months+

we know "THE GREAT HASHIRAMA" as i quote,is your favorite character so you want everything best for him.

We also know tobirama is the character you hate the most,and you want people to think worst as possible for him.

Its time to let it go already..
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I will stop when people stop defending Tobirama

whats wrong with 44,47
I agree Hashirama is a softer than Tobirama....so?
When I say weak I mean WEAKER than Hashriama...and weakest hokage by extension

Lol you could not be more wrong. You think you know me but you dont. You are in Narutoverse so you Know I am not a hardcore fanboi who supports Hashirama 24/7
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whats wrong with 44,47
I agree Hashirama is a softer than Tobirama....so?
When I say weak I mean WEAKER than Hashriama...and weakest hokage by extension

Lol you could not be more wrong. You think you know me but you dont. You are in Narutoverse so you Know I am not a hardcore fanboi who supports Hashirama 24/7

Its true you don't support him all the time,like in that thread with hashirama vs sannin and kages,but the fact is you support him in town bookstore all the time,and make all the threads you can to make him seem better then tobirama,am i wrong?
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Once again you are wrong.

In the latest thread Ultimate Combate made I voted...get ready for this one yall
AGAIANST HASHIRAMA
*gasp*

An I only made 2 threads that about Tobirama and they were not biased towards him I just wanted other opinons

Once again you try to make me sound like a hater but I just prove you wrong. I dont always support "THE GREAT HASHIRAMA"
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^ the thing is everyone except you will understand what i mean,and that is enough for me.You can't prove me wrong cuz im stating the facts,everyone could see that.if they are/were on forum long enough to see all that has been happening.
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