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Old 03-27-2013, 09:29 PM   #21
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What about the Cloud village? The Hidden Mist? Ect, these villages had no influence from Hashirama, and there just as big, now look at Facebook, can you really tell me that taking another person's idea and improving on it is not better then just having a dream and not think about all the risks.
lol...don't be too sure...u obviously are clueless... i think u should listen to "Enma"...

or renew your knowledge here: 399 pg 6 & 7...i don't have time for lecture.
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Tobirama he's level headed (He didn't kill the Uchiha even after his brother died) and broad minded (Knew that the other clans joining would have to have a say in Kageship and knew they wouldn't agree to Madara being Kage).
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The nice leader, Hashirama Senju.
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lol...don't be too sure...u obviously are clueless... i think u should listen to "Enma"...

or renew your knowledge here: 399 pg 6 & 7...i don't have time for lecture.
This is hype (I don't believe it, how Mist had 2, Cloud had 2, and Stone had 2 as will, what? did Hashi feel so charitable that day?)
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Hashirama wanted Madara to be hokage. Idiotic. He's trying to play psychologist to keep his mentally fragile friend happy.

Is Madara the best choice for the village? Of course not. Hashirama was talking democracy and law and order. At his age.

You can only pick hashirama for being more powerful and nice. Nice doesn't always finish first.

Tobirama would not have killed himself or his brother. The result!!! he would have killed Madara, and let the Uchiha come over like they started doing anyway.

Tobirama in a landslide. He probably told hashirama how to lead the village anyway.

But wait, why was hashirama voted in first? Well the Uchiha picked him over Tobirama. That's not a knock on Tobirama though. The other clans recognized hashirama as the leader of the Senju.

But when you look back at intelligence and leadership skills, not just intent...

Tobirama.

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^^ i don't care what you believe... just don't reply to post when u have no knowledge of the manga...it's a bad habit... and keep your disagreements about manga facts to yourself.
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Tobirama, obviously. Best example is this manga chapter.
Imagine this:
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2- kill yourself or your brother!
1- okay. Ill kill myself. thx. (killing himself)
2- LOL!. senju are stupid! Now im most powerfull guy here and ill roflstomp all the senju! Uchiha won!! MUAHAHAHHA!
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The better leader for me is Hashirama. He is kind and sweet and he understands how it feels when you loose a brother. He is merciful and loyal to both his friend, Madara and his family. He is the true founder to the Will of Fire. Also he never gives up, always trying to achieve his goals.
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This is hype (I don't believe it, how Mist had 2, Cloud had 2, and Stone had 2 as will, what? did Hashi feel so charitable that day?), and also, was the dumbest move ever. and I disagree, Germany came up with the Nuke 1st, but America and Britain stopped them from completing it, who got the best out of it? America or Germany?
You just called the events in the history of naruto 'hype' that doesn't even make sense!

Yeah because creating a fair society within the shinobi world was clearly dumb right?
Your example is irrelevant here unless you think Tobirama and Hashirama fought for leadership of the leaf and even then it still doesn't make sense xD think of another one
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Wow Tobirama is actually winning!?
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^ of course,hashirama is a softie,tobirama does what has to be done.hashirama tries to find a way around it and make everybody happy.

In a way he lives inside his own made up happy world and tries to focus solely on it.

Tobirama:it will finally be over,lets kill this fegget!
Hashirama:No!spare him,we used to throw rocks over the river.
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Lead with strength in this case. I mean, he basically took war ravaged clans, basically foisted peace on them by creating the village and making the hokage equal to the leader of a country. I don't see Tobirama pulling that off.

And does Tobirama actually want democracy or just wanting that because he knew it would lead to the Uchiha basically being shut out?
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anyone who calls Hashirama a softy is clueless! U make ur judgment based on what you know of reality as it is today... In a time as theirs, when warring clans have just united for peace, the idea of democracy as tobirama speaks through sternness is no as simple

The once who made the sacrifice (hashi & Madara) have all the rights to discuss among themselves who should and should not be the leader at the initial stages of the village. Without Madara (being the stone that reached the other side) Hashi couldn't have done it alone...

And where was Tobirama when all these dangerous sacrifices was going on b/n hashi and Madara? He was "tale bearing" on his brother! and now he want's to enjoy the fruits of Hashirama's labor...

Well, there're still mad ppl in our current world, so i'm not surprise ppl would Say tobirama is a better leader... <laughable NONESENSE>... neither can i say Hashi's way would guarantee peace after he's gone... My final thought are that, the two means are necessary for leadership, that's when Hiruzen comes in - he is a model of both hashi and Tobirama
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Hashirama may have made the Leaf, but Tobirama made important parts of it's infrastructure that it would not have survived without.
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anyone who calls Hashirama a softy is clueless! U make ur judgment based on what you know of reality as it is today... In a time as theirs, when warring clans have just united for peace, the idea of democracy as tobirama speaks through sternness is no as simple

The once who made the sacrifice (hashi & Madara) have all the rights to discuss among themselves who should and should not be the leader at the initial stages of the village. Without Madara (being the stone that reached the other side) Hashi couldn't have done it alone...

And where was Tobirama when all these dangerous sacrifices was going on b/n hashi and Madara? He was "tale bearing" on his brother! and now he want's to enjoy the fruits of Hashirama's labor...

Well, there're still mad ppl in our current world, so i'm not surprise ppl would Say tobirama is a better leader... <laughable NONESENSE>... neither can i say Hashi's way would guarantee peace after he's gone... My final thought are that, the two means are necessary for leadership, that's when Hiruzen comes in - he is a model of both hashi and Tobirama
Tobirama was nearly killed by the uchiha father in that skirmish. That makes him bait at the age of 7, that's a sacrifice
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there are sacrifices for peace and sacrifices for war? get real!
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And where was Tobirama when all these dangerous sacrifices was going on b/n hashi and Madara? He was "tale bearing" on his brother! and now he want's to enjoy the fruits of Hashirama's labor...
Well. Since he is brother of hashirama...his brothers was killed by uchiha. But he accepted this alliance, cause thats for peace. Thats sacrifice. He could have just been like madara. Nooou! U killed my bro! Kill yourself madara! Then I can trust you!
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lol... i like tobirama a lot but look, i'm not a blinded fool who sticks to his previous opinions no matter what...if Tobirama does something inappropriate, i'll admit that...

Now, u too don' understand the sacrifice hashi and Madara made and you're trying compare Tobirama with them... Tobirama had no right to say that! afterall, all the uchiha who killed his brother may or may not be there, he doesn't know that...which negates all the senju who killed Madara's other brother.... But Madara knows who killed his younger brother and that person is still breathing his nose in the alliance business... I won't even go into discussing this!
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Now, u too don' understand the sacrifice hashi and Madara made and you're trying compare Tobirama with them... Tobirama had no right to say that! afterall, all the uchiha who killed his brother may or may not be there, he doesn't know that...which negates all the senju who killed Madara's other brother.... But Madara knows who killed his younger brother and that person is still breathing his nose in the alliance business
Yeah, Madara is the killer of his brother, I do hope you remember that.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:07 PM   #40
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lol... i like tobirama a lot but look, i'm not a blinded fool who sticks to his previous opinions no matter what...if Tobirama does something inappropriate, i'll admit that...

Now, u too don' understand the sacrifice hashi and Madara made and you're trying compare Tobirama with them... Tobirama had no right to say that! afterall, all the uchiha who killed his brother may or may not be there, he doesn't know that...which negates all the senju who killed Madara's other brother.... But Madara knows who killed his younger brother and that person is still breathing his nose in the alliance business... I won't even go into discussing this!
Isnt it a little egocentric look on things? Why everything should go around madara and hashi? What about all other senju and uchihas? Why only madara brother matters? Madara didnt want to accept peace, cause senju killed his brothers earlier. It wasnt tobirama or hashi. But it was enough for maddy to stop dreaming and start killing. So its a sacrifice for anyone who lost brother, to accept the clan, members of which killed them. And tobirama was ready for this sacrifice at the young age. Same as hashirama.

And...what sacrifice exactly hashirama did? Dont tell me about suicide. That was plain stupid. Like i said before, he had no guaranty, that madara would do as he said. After all, it wasnt his 1-st time going back at his own words.

And I didnt see anything inappropriate from tobirama. Yes. He doesnt like uchihas. But who would like them anyway? Voting showed this all. No one trusts uchiha. Except hashi.

Even uchihas wont trust their leader. It says it all.
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