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Old 04-01-2013, 01:58 PM   #1
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Default Questions about summons.

No outside help: Unless specified otherwise, no contestant may call for outside assistance, even in scenario matches. For example, Captain America cannot call in the Avengers during a fight with Batman.

Wouldn't this extend to Ninja Summons, I mean it is adding a new fighter to the battle and the only justification for a summoning is that it is a jutsu, but the jutsu is just a means of transportation. Summons like Gamabunta and the slug are allies to the fighter and thus not allowed.
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In Narutoverse, summons are considered part of the Ninja repetoire or tools.
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Summons are a special exception to the rule as they are part of a combatants normal skill set (they're a jutsu). The rule you referenced above is just a way to prohibit outside help. Like saying you can't use "phone a friend". The one time summons are not allowed in the Narutoverse is when they are used to call in other ninja (like Nagato summoning Konan).

Hope this helps, and you fellow debaters out there can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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In Narutoverse, summons are considered part of the Ninja repetoire or tools.
I'm just thinking that isn't quite right, a summon is outside help. In a one on one fight how is adding another fighter is against this rule. Summons are not tools or weapons it is a sentient fighter/teammate.
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Default Re: Questions about summons.

A summon might be considered standard or a ninja tool (Like akamaru) but the main issue is someone like Gamabunta; still feels like a Call for help no jutsu.
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I'm just thinking that isn't quite right, a summon is outside help. In a one on one fight how is adding another fighter is against this rule. Summons are not tools or weapons it is a sentient fighter/teammate.
Try to think of it in this way: Summons are like "standard equipment" for certain ninja. Yes, they're sentient beings, but they can be used by said ninja in any and all fights. The rule you're concerned about was put in place to prevent people from having characters bring in help that they normally wouldn't have in a typical fight. Characters like Lucy from Fairy Tale (Stellar Spirit Mages) have the same spirits fight for them in every battle, thus it's not an outside/unexpected influence on the battle. If you took away her summons though she pretty much couldn't do anything. The situation is similar for characters like Jiraiya where the majority of his strength comes from his summons.
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No outside help: Unless specified otherwise, no contestant may call for outside assistance, even in scenario matches. For example, Captain America cannot call in the Avengers during a fight with Batman.
You don't call, you summon!!!

Like Harry Potter can use "Accio spell" for some object!!!
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This thread proves my point why juubi is fair game for Obito.
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Default Re: Questions about summons.

like Kaze and Aeo says Summons fall under "standard equipment" not just in naruto BG natches but anywhere else on the section however whether or not a character can get a summon out before being speed blitzed or attacked is another matter entirely

but yes barring really unique summons that involve a but load of prep time like Gedo Mazo and the juubi and the jinchuuriki army all summons fall under "standard equip"
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