Spoiler Let's be honest here: (Naruto vs Sasuke Post-War)

[kalmeast]

^ @ Maruko are you sure... sasuke hasn't used his EMS powers at all... that fourth Dojutsu that comes with the EMS hasn't been revealed yet...so beware...

secondly, the fact that itachi had the exact same dojutsu sasuke's MS had, Gaining itachi's eyes + his own original would be a double of everything...perhaps this is the secret behind Itachi transferring his same dojutsu to sasuke...

Sasuke's performance against Kabuto doesn't mean much...Kabuto was tough only because Itachi said they mustn't kill him so sasuke had to be cautious while fighting Kabuto...

[Harlequin]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

^ @ Maruko are you sure... sasuke hasn't used his EMS powers at all... that fourth Dojutsu that comes with the EMS hasn't been revealed yet...so beware...

secondly, the fact that itachi had the exact same dojutsu sasuke's MS had, Gaining itachi's eyes + his own original would be a double of everything...perhaps this is the secret behind Itachi transferring his same dojutsu to sasuke...

Sasuke's performance against Kabuto doesn't mean much...Kabuto was tough only because Itachi said they mustn't kill him so sasuke had to be cautious while fighting Kabuto...

Well I'm more satisfied with this^ than the other haha.

BEDTIME!

[Squall]

Originally Posted by Harlequin

You still haven't answered my question on how kurama would get extracted without killing naruto(make up something or a theory I don't care)

Oh and don't be mad in debates

How about when Kushina had Kurama removed? She lived because of her Uzumaki heritage. Naruto is of Uzumaki heritage....

[kalmeast]

^ even so he's eventually gonna die... the uzumaki blood just kept kushina alive a little more than expected of normal ppl who'd have died immediately.

The only reason Naruto would live even after Kurama is extracted from him is because, he'd still have that first Kuubi chakra he stole...that chakra is his for good...the one that gave him the rikoudo's magatama necklace... It's a life-force chakra that'd keep Naruto alive...

This is the same chakra the Rikoudo had, so that even after Rikoudo removed the Juubi and split it into 9 Bijuus, he still lived to pet them around for some time...

[MrNarutowatcher]

wow I think you guys are selling sasuke short he just acquired itachi's eyes so I think its a safe assumption that if nothing else his abilities will at least acquires itachi's level of control tsukiyomi powered up amaterasu in which sasuke already had a stronger control on powered up and susano completely powered up not to mention the drain on his chakras will obviously bee lessened and although naruto and kuramas relationship has furthered do not let us forget what happened previously when sasuke met naruto when he was at his early mastery level under orochimaru kurama said the sharingan those eyes and a chakra more imminent then my own sasuke entered naruto's and kurmas realm and dispatched kuramas chakra with but a motion and let us also not forget that kurama obviously has a fear of madara because he was unable to resist madara kurama said naruto if the alternative to you is being controlled by him madara I choose you ill lend you my power from this statement we can assume that sasuke at his current level would also be able to enforce his will on kurama

hasharama himself only humored sasuke with his story instead of battling him because he recognized sasuke of having the potential to be another more fierce madara if he furthers his path from that I would also have to assume that sasuke also is close to acquiring the rinnegan and he does have a battle with hasha right in front of him if he chose to acquire his cells and he did just have six zetsuz strapped to him I think sasuke currently neverbefore seen tomoe sharingan may even have the potential to be more powerful the rinnegan it obviously trouble tobirama

now getting back to naruto speed yes absolutly sasuke had no problem manipulating amaterasu in a weekend state and during his first usage to counter the raikage and cause him to loose his arm I think in his current state he would be able to possible counter naruto's speed

bijju powers- as I stated previously sasuke obviously as uchihas with high abilitys have been shown to be able to do would have natural counters to narutos control of kurama and he is also very intelligent and would understand that the mode has a fixed limit sasuke deduced danzo's highly advanced technique that was never seen before and countered it immediatly while extremely weekend after batttling the five kages, I think at full stregnth which is something we haven't seen him at in a while he'd be formidabble

as far as a bijuu bomb counter I mean he just absorbed itachi's eyes which housed the yatta mirror and the totsuga sword on top of sussano being indestructable from from direct attack and sasukes susano being shown to have an arrow attack I would say is capable of going directly at a bijju bomb also I mean sasuke could manipulate amaterasu from susano as a shield or indefensible armor for his susano

and I mean sage mode umm ok sooo one sasukes a genius tooo he just beat kabuto easily who was in sage mode I know narutos is stronger and more efficient but what I'm saying is sasukes like shikamaru he's seen it before and I think could even mimic it if he chose to


I GIVE THE EDGE TO SASUKE HANDS DOWN

[Kishimomo]

Current Naruto would one shot kill Sasuke. Rasenshuriken x20

[Ag_Surfr]

all good points mrnarutowatcher.

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by MrNarutowatcher

and I mean sage mode umm ok sooo one sasukes a genius tooo he just beat kabuto easily who was in sage mode I know narutos is stronger and more efficient but what I'm saying is sasukes like shikamaru he's seen it before and I think could even mimic it if he chose to

Originally Posted by kalmeast

Sasuke's performance against Kabuto doesn't mean much...Kabuto was tough only because Itachi said they mustn't kill him so sasuke had to be cautious while fighting Kabuto...

Wow, seems Sasuke isn't the only one being sold short.

But really Sasuke would have been owned by Kabuto. Kabuto is faster than Sasuke or Itachi. And the sound attack paralyzed Sasuke, and Kabuto would have killed him, if itachi's Susanoo hand hadn't protected him.

Sasuke has always been a better strategist than Naruto. So he's got that.

Naruto is more imaginative and is faster in Sage mode.

Sage is faster than kyubbi mode. The kyubbi mode just allows for better control of kyubbi chakra. And lasts indefinitely. Kyubbi mode matches A level 2. A level 1 matched Sasuke. Sage is at least one step fast Sasuke.

Sage mode Naruto could outrun Ameterasu. Bijuu bomb (kyubbi, later)or even Rasenshiriken beats Susanoo. Toads do two. new bijuu mode beats Susanoo too.

Sasuke's blaze release may have stepped up and now compares to Gaara's control of sand. If Sasuke can do those things with ame, he'd be a scary offensive threat.

Except against a faster Naruto. and Kabuto

[Harlequin]

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Wow, seems Sasuke isn't the only one being sold short.

But really Sasuke would have been owned by Kabuto. Kabuto is faster than Sasuke or Itachi. And the sound attack paralyzed Sasuke, and Kabuto would have killed him, if itachi's Susanoo hand hadn't protected him.

Sasuke has always been a better strategist than Naruto. So he's got that.

Naruto is more imaginative and is faster in Sage mode.
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Sage is faster than kyubbi mode. The kyubbi mode just allows for better control of kyubbi chakra. And lasts indefinitely. Kyubbi mode matches A. Who matched Sasuke. But not level 2, like naruto with Kyubbi mode.

Sage mode Naruto could outrun Ameterasu. Bijuu bomb or even Rasenshiriken beats Susanoo. Toads do two. new bijuu mode beats Susanoo too.

Sasuke's blaze release may have stepped up and now compares to Gaara's control of sand. If Sasuke can do those things with ame, he'd be a scary offensive threat.

Except against a faster Naruto. and Kabuto

Now that's well said.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Wow, seems Sasuke isn't the only one being sold short.

But really Sasuke would have been owned by Kabuto. Kabuto is faster than Sasuke or Itachi. And the sound attack paralyzed Sasuke, and Kabuto would have killed him, if itachi's Susanoo hand hadn't protected him.

Sasuke has always been a better strategist than Naruto. So he's got that.

Naruto is more imaginative and is faster in Sage mode.

Sage is faster than kyubbi mode. The kyubbi mode just allows for better control of kyubbi chakra. And lasts indefinitely. Kyubbi mode matches A level 2. A level 1 matched Sasuke. Sage is at least one step fast Sasuke.

Sage mode Naruto could outrun Ameterasu. Bijuu bomb (kyubbi, later)or even Rasenshiriken beats Susanoo. Toads do two. new bijuu mode beats Susanoo too.

Sasuke's blaze release may have stepped up and now compares to Gaara's control of sand. If Sasuke can do those things with ame, he'd be a scary offensive threat.

Except against a faster Naruto. and Kabuto

Such ridiculous analysis... are you sleep walking?

[Gouldy17]

Originally Posted by paradigm1977

Naruto is more imaginative and is faster in Sage mode.

Sage is faster than kyubbi mode. The kyubbi mode just allows for better control of kyubbi chakra. And lasts indefinitely. Kyubbi mode matches A level 2. A level 1 matched Sasuke. Sage is at least one step fast Sasuke.

where does it say sage mode is faster than kyubbi mode, i have been under the impression since naruto first used it that kyubbi mode is alot faster. the only thing i can think of is the fight with the 3rd raikage if thats where your info comes from read it again...


imagine naruto gets handed "the big book of uzumaki sealing jutsu" it would make things a whole lot easier he could seal saskues Ameterasu

[paradigm1977]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

^ @ Maruko are you sure... sasuke hasn't used his EMS powers at all... that fourth Dojutsu that comes with the EMS hasn't been revealed yet...so beware...

secondly, the fact that itachi had the exact same dojutsu sasuke's MS had, Gaining itachi's eyes + his own original would be a double of everything...perhaps this is the secret behind Itachi transferring his same dojutsu to sasuke...

Sasuke's performance against Kabuto doesn't mean much...Kabuto was tough only because Itachi said they mustn't kill him so sasuke had to be cautious while fighting Kabuto...

Where does "the forth dojutsu," they Sasuke automatically gets come from? In terms of reference. And are you sure that what is referred to as blaze release, is not the forth? Sasuke casts Ame with one eye and controls it with the other. Separate? I would guess separate since, it is separated between the eyes, and not just all done by one.

[LegendsNeverDie]

Naruto will win.

[AeoKyn]

Sage mode was said to give him a better sense for danger; the speed was never declared. And during this scenario against the 3rd raikage, Naruto had used too much chakra and got kicked from KM.
So in Km naruto would be faster, in sage mode, (forgive this comparison)
it's more like a regular sharingan

[Vex]

That would be cheap and basic for Naruto to beat Sasuke. I prefer them to clash equally and die trying. I've never really acknowledged them as one being stronger than the other.

[Satsuki]

Originally Posted by Ag_Surfr

sasuke's tsukuyomi is inferior to the best practitioner of genjutsu? wow, he should hang them up

naruto is limited in how long he can stay in sage mode and he's shown that he can get reckless at times as well.

sasuke's susanoo still wasn't at its strongest when he used it those times, and he was pretty spent at the point when he was fighting the raikage.

like i said, something can happen between now and when naruto and sasuke throw down which may involve naruto losing the kyubi which could make sasuke's genjutsu relevant.

we don't know how naruto matches up vs sasuke's ems, we haven't seen it yet.

Sasuke's Susano'o being better than it was before would mean that he would use up more chakra than he did before. Greater Jutsu = Greater Chakra Consumption, that's just how it has always worked in ALL of narutoverse.

Naruto has a large chakra reserve. Sasuke has a normal human's chakra reserve.

Originally Posted by Ag_Surfr

i miss itachi freaking took the thunder-clap like a boss and kept coming.

we actually haven't seen that much of sasuke since he got ems...so it's somewhat of a moot point.

would it be possible for kurama to die in battle? that could be one way for naruto to lose him.

No, it would not be possible for Kurama to die in battle. The only way Kurama could possibly be affected is if Naruto dies. And no, if Naruto uses up all of Kurama's chakra, Kurama wouldn't die. Kurama still has a small chakra reserve that isn't in Naruto's reach. This was shown after Naruto stole Kurama's chakra. He could still create Bijuu Bombs from a chakra pool that was not connected to the pool that Naruto uses of Kurama's chakra. If Naruto dies, Kurama dies. Just as Madara could not summon Kurama while he is sealed inside Naruto, nobody can directly hurt Kurama either without taking Kurama from Naruto's seal.

Originally Posted by kalmeast

This all depends... Sasuke's new additional EMS power might be something that's at a God level... Forget, tsukuyomi, amaterasu and Susanoo... That new power EMS grants is what i'm scared of...

Madara has not shown this 'new' EMS ability. If you're so scared of it, Madara would have used it on Naruto already. The only thing that we could be worried about is Complete Susano'o, which isn't even something that stood up to Hashirama as it encompassed Kurama during their battle. From what I know, from what we all know, the only thing EMS has done for the Uchiha and the only thing stated is that it enhanced previously earned abilities and it eternally allows you to see. From what we have heard, they haven't mentioned a 'new' ability.

Originally Posted by Harlequin

Again tell me a way like how would kurama get extracted without killing naruto?

You seem to have missed the point where Kushina had the beast extracted, yet survived. We don't actually know if she would have died had Tobi just left with Kurama after he stole it from her. She COULD have lived, we don't know. She had BIRTH and then had a tailed beast EXTRACTED from her and she lived. If she can live through that, I'm sure that Naruto could live through the extraction alone, especially since most women have the potential to die during birth.

Originally Posted by Shisko Shi

What about the same thing he used on Kabuto. what Itachi used I mean. I honostly think he will not destroy the Village, so something new will happen that they fight. But it was said if they do they both die.

Izanami? No, Sasuke doesn't know how to use Izanami. Sasuke thought Itachi was going to use the jutsu but it just so happened that Itachi had ALREADY used the jutsu. Also, he cannot destroy the village. He promised Naruto that the first person he kills from the Leaf will be Naruto. It's a promise on his pride. He won't break that sort of promise.

Originally Posted by Vex

That would be cheap and basic for Naruto to beat Sasuke. I prefer them to clash equally and die trying. I've never really acknowledged them as one being stronger than the other.

It's clear that Naruto is far beyond Sasuke's MS level, maybe not his EMS, but surely his MS.

I'm sure Kishi is playing the 'homage' card and showing just how strong Naruto has become and how 'weak' Sasuke has gotten, or just how far behind he is to Naruto.

When I mean homage I mean this: It's like Goku to Vegeta. Vegeta had the heritage, Goku had the friends. Goku surpassed Vegeta.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Satsuki

Naruto will kick his ass.

That would be cool but it won't happen. The battle will be a long one.

[slyfoxx]

@for all the sasuke fans... the onlyreason it going last more than 1 chp is tnj and flashbacks. Naruto is running the guntlet of sharingans and rinnys which is preparing for whatever sasuke can throw. And dont underestimate naruto,he is stronger faster and has a greater chakra supply.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by slyfoxx

@for all the sasuke fans... the onlyreason it going last more than 1 chp is tnj and flashbacks. Naruto is running the guntlet of sharingans and rinnys which is preparing for whatever sasuke can throw. And dont underestimate naruto,he is stronger faster and has a greater chakra supply.

Of couse it will have an overload of tnj and flashbacks. This is Naruto we're talking about. But you're kidding yourself if you think this will be a one sided fight. Even if it SHOULD BE it won't be because that's not the kind of fight Kishimoto will want. It's going to be a even match. It might sway to and fro but the general flow of the battle will make Naruto and Sasuke EQUALS. Hell knowing Kishi we'll probably get some sorta clash cliffhanger
ala rasenegan/chidori where it explicitly says something incredibly cheesy like:

THE TWO STRONGEST SHINOBI OF THEIR GENERATION!
EQUAL IN POWER! BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE DIFFERENT!

I'm sorry but you're INSANE if you think Sasuke is going to get
curb stomped during Naruto and Sasuke's way over hyped battle.
You're spending way too much time at the battlegrounds where
people actually pay attention to such absurd notions as "feats".
Stuff like that doesn't matter to Kishimoto. If Sasuke is currently
too "weak" to have an even battle with Naruto then that's nothing
a little deus ex machina can't fix. For goodness sake Sasuke pulled
out a friggin Eagle out of nowhere in his battle against Danzo.
Not even TOBI knew about it. Without that Sasuke would probably
have fallen to his death.

and don't even think I'm saying this as a Sasuke fan.
I WANT Naruto to lack the smack down on the Sauce
but that just ain't gonna happen. It didn't happen
in any of their other fights and it won't happen now.

[e710]

Yes Kishimoto will most likely have Sasuke pull some new powers out his eyes that are exclusive to Sasuke alone. But one thing makes me think this might actually be as one sided as it appears right now, and that is in the current flashbacks Hashirama has constantly been giving Madara the wood. Tobi said that history will repeat itself when Sasuke fights Naruto but history has Naruto making Sasuke his little girl.