I'm calling out all Kakashi fans for a debate.

[topchef]

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

*sees that he has been called*
The time when Kakashi needed to prep his chakra for Kamui is long over. That combined with genjutsu, his own elemental ninjutsu versatility, and the fact that he's much faster in footspeed AND reaction speed compared to Kakuzu gives him great chances of victory.

He's not that much faster than Kakuzu and it would be stupid to attempt a gengutsu when there's 5 fast and nasty targets bombarding the crap out of you with aoe spams.

If those hearts weren't there then it would probably work even though Kakashi has never tried that combination on anyone before.

If his reaction is so much better than Kakuzu's then how did Kakuzu capture him twice with his threads?

By the end of their encounter with Kakuzu and Hidan, Kakashi was unsuccessful in taking out Kakuzu and needed back up. It was made clear that Kakuzu was too much for Kakashi. Plus the earth heart is bringing something new to the table as well even though it's featless you still can't just fight recklessly and ignore it.

Yeah Kakashi is fast and versatile with his ninjutsu but that sure as hell didn't help him much during their fight.

Why didn't Kakashi just gengutsu Kakuzu last time when they fought? Maybe it's because his gengutsu is only works on fodder pre time skip kids. He has no good gengutsu feats and I don't blame him for risking his life in trying to trap Kakuzu in it. His gengutsu isn't great.

Kakashi gets blown up by the hearts or another suprise underground thread attack but this time through his chest. Kakashi can't even dodge his threads.

Lol scratch that, Kakashi was caught 3 times by Kakuzu's threads.

[topchef]

Originally Posted by Kakashi Hatake_Yamato

And. He currently also has Kurama's chakra, which will give him an extra boost.

It wasn't stated that everyone has access to this power whenever they want and I highly doubt that.

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

Did you read the recent chapters?

[topchef]

Originally Posted by Kakashi Hatake_Yamato

Did you read the recent chapters?

Yessir

[Shikamaru Nara]

I thought it was generally agreed upon that we're not using those feats since they're inconsistent. But if the OP wants to clarify that, that would be nice. It would be easier for you to just restrict that power if you don't feel it's accurate.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by topchef

Lol scratch that, Kakashi was caught 3 times by Kakuzu's threads.

Your entire scenario relies on Kakashi not using Kamui successfully.

Can Kakuzu win? Yes but its not as conclusive as you think.
The fact Kakashi has effective and deadily kamui tips the scale to his favor especially in range and the fact he has his standard evasive tricks involving earth jutsu and clones further augments his evasive priorities.

[topchef]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Your entire scenario relies on Kakashi not using Kamui successfully.

Can Kakuzu win? Yes but its not as conclusive as you think.
The fact Kakashi has effective and deadily kamui tips the scale to his favor especially in range and the fact he has his standard evasive tricks involving earth jutsu and clones further augments his evasive priorities.

Kakashi is going to have a very hard time focusing on Kakuzu when there's 5 targets swarming and attacking with aoe. You guys keep ignoring these hearts. The wind heart can easily sweep Kakashi into the air and it doesn't even need to be a direct hit. You think he's going to be able to hit Kakuzu when you have giant typhoons sweeping you everywhere while the fire heart is shooting those giant fire waves? When they move freely they attack with projectiles but when Kakuzu performs a handsign, these things are trashing an entire area with one attack.

Last time they fought, Kakuzu was busy fodderizing Choji and Ino while the thunder heart was chasing around Shikamaru because it was distracted by him, BUT this time its just Kakuzu and Kakashi and the 4 heart monsters. Kakuzu can focus and control them to just attack one target now. He can now spam aoes if he wants because the hearts aren't somewhere else chasing around another person.

You guys are telling me that Kakashi can dodge all this plus aim a perfect kamui at a guy who uses his hearts to create openings? Kakuzu doesn't fight like a mindless brute, he uses stradegy. He's not going to just stand still or engage Kakashi in CQC because Kakuzu mainly uses long and mid range attacks and he only fights at close range if the enemy engages him.

So Kakashi has too much on his back for him to aim a Kamui properly at the main target who by the way likes to vanish from his enemy's sight while the hearts are distracting. Did Kakashi even figure out Kakuzu's fighting style? He got owned to the point where he needed to be savex by the main character and Yamato.

Hell, Kakuzu can change his style now that he has an extra heart to work with.

Is kamui all you guys can say because I highly doubt he can pull it off in a 5vs1.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by topchef

You think he's going to be able to hit Kakuzu when you have giant typhoons sweeping you everywhere while the fire heart is shooting those giant fire waves? When they move freely they attack with projectiles but when Kakuzu performs a handsign, these things are trashing an entire area with one attack.

Take in mind that hearts risk of friendly fire if they do giant elemental attacks.

Kakashi can escape by retreating back but yes I never said he will escape all the time. He has the capabilities of evasive action for a good time though.

I am just saying that probability can say Kakashi can defeat Kakuzu with Kamui especially if Kakuzu doesn't release his hearts before hand.

You guys are telling me that Kakashi can dodge all this plus aim a perfect kamui at a guy who uses his hearts to create openings?

His aim has incredibly improved in speed and accuracy.

Is kamui all you guys can say because I highly doubt he can pull it off in a 5vs1.

If Kakashi uses Kamui on Kakuzu on a hypothetical scenario what occurs?
He dies.

[PrinceofPeace]

SO I guess kakashi could win??

[Uzumaki Naruto!]

This isn't a debate it's like Kakashi being Mohamed ali and Kakazu being some 3 year old.

[PrinceofPeace]

lol maybe kakashi could lose but Daph made an EXCELLENT point! Kakashi has kyubbi chakra now so Kakashi is even better than before

also if kaumi Kakazu's head...then what?

[Raiden]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

lol maybe kakashi could lose but Daph made an EXCELLENT point! Kakashi has kyubbi chakra now so Kakashi is even better than before

also if kaumi Kakazu's head...then what?

lol Too bad theories and team support jutsu don't have a place in this debate, in order for the Kyubbi chakra to boost Kakashi, Naruto needs to give it to him, please, do try again, this time with less fan boy-ism and more thoughtful post.

[CaptainChurrr]

Originally Posted by topchef

I still believe that Kakuzu would kill Kakashi 1vs1. Yes, I'm talking about current Kakashi. If these 2 were to have a remtach with no Team 10 or Hidan backing them up and slowing them down then Kakashi would get slaughtered.

We all know Kakashi was saved twice during their fight. For the people who keep saying if Team Yamato didn't show up he would have used kamui, Kakashi's kamui would have just warped Kakuzu's fire+wind blast away. That's about it. He would have died afterwards. Kakuzu can spam those blasts ya know.

When Kakuzu was down to 2 heart beasts in one body that one body was all Kakuzu needed to create an opening to capture Kakashi which he successfully did until Shikamaru's timing saved him. Now imagine that but with 4 heart beasts this time. It's just going to be a lot easier for Kakuzu to create an opening when 4 heart beasts are swarming Kakashi.

I'm aware that current Kakashi can use 5 kamuis but we have 5 fast moving targets swarming him. He needs to focus to aim.

For the people who say Kakashi will just kamui him before he even releases his hearts, in a rematch kakuzu will already be aware of how fast Kakashi is so why the heck would he not start with his hearts out?

Kakashi's sharigan couldn't even react to Kakuzu's threads that were hidden in the ground. Kakuzu's threads are overlooked most of the times but they proven to be fast enough to catch a sharigan user.

Kakashi's only has one way of killing Kakuzu and that's with kamui which he needs to be super accurate with. These are 5 targets and they're fast too. The earth heart is featless but we know it's capable of fighting since Kakuzu bothered to release it. Hell, it was probably a good one too since Kakuzu sacrificed his full body diamond defense just to release this thing. for battle.

Kakuzu just has so many ways he can kill Kakashi while Kakashi only has Kamui.

Oh yea lets not forget if Kakuzu were to fuse with all heart monsters including the earth one then he would have the full body diamond defense plus major elemental combo spams.

And another thing, Kakashi DIDN"T tank a blast from the wind heart, Hidan took the hit NOT Kakashi. He was just swept away by the aoe. The wind shot out like a cannon ball then turned into a big typhoon when it hit a surface. If it were to hit Kakashi it would have done damage.

Do anyone want to debate on why they think current Kakashi could beat Kakuzu?

I am new here and i specialize in the Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm series for the PS3/360. Although... As much of a fan i am of Kakashi, i know a lot about him.

Kakashi didn't use techniques that have already been performed previous to this fight (kamui and othe ninjutsu's more suitable for this match). So to say that these techniques wouldn't work is just hurr-durr since they have worked previous.

Key things: Having Team 10 with him only limited his fighting capacity as mentioned by Shikamaru, At the same time as Kakashi is fighting Kakuzu he is worried about protecting Team 10. Ref. Kakashi vs Zabuza, If Naruto/Sasuke weren't fighting Haku then the battle with Zabuza wouldn't of lasted as long as it did. So due this he was save twice but Kakuzu having 5 hearts? Kakashi killed one at the start of the fight, technically he won there. Having 5 hearts does not in anyway pertain to skill or strength. Also note that Lightning Blade "Raikiri" is a S-Rank technique noted in the Manga/Anime/Data/Wiki(quotes manga) a one hit kill technique. It is the higher level of Chidori, chidori is the nature transformation but adding chakra transformation/manipulation it evolves to a S-Rank technique (Only a few techniques are quoted S-Rank in the Naruto series) Ref. Naruto's Rasengan which is chakra transformation evolves by adding nature transformation you get the S-Rank technique, RasenShuriken. All in all Kakashi used Raikiri and killed Kakuzu heart in one moment = GG now if Team 10 wasn't there then he wouldn't need to worry about them getting hit by the other hearts whilist going head to head with Kakuzu. Kakashi surely had the speed and he was limited in that fight.(It is Canon and we all saw Kakashi's max fighting Capacity before the "Immortal Duo" arc).

Current Kakashi is OP saying current Kakashi cannot defeat Kakuzu is *faceplam* Kakashi can spam (as he did from all those chapters) Kamui when ever and the size and field of the technique has increased greatly. Ref. Using Kamui on the 8tails in GSW.

This is all part of the plot (no sh**)

We saw a full powered Kakuzu vs a limited Kakashi, to even make this debatable was your 2nd mistake, your 1st mistake was thinking that Kakuzu can beat Kakashi 1v1 and your greatest mistake here was choosing to think that Kakuzu can beat a "CURRENT" Kakashi in 1v1. :Eloquent Disdain:

1st Grade Canon fact, (Manga) It is clearly painted that (Current)/Kakashi > Kakuzu
2nd Grade Canon fact, (Databook) Kakashi Databook stats are not to be argued with mere characters such as Kakuzu. (Who got pwned in the GSW, by fodder).

GG

^^ Kakashi killed 1 heart in a blink of an eye, if you want Current Kakashi vs Kakuzu then that fight would be easy, Kakashi will just Raikiri him 5 times lol Kakashi has gone beyond since that fight. You only saw a limited Kakashi in that fight i explained above ^^

Kabuto powered up the Edo's, and it wasn't nothing plus Kakuzu got beaten by fodder in his revival. (That was the Gold and Silver bro's stage) Kakashi won't have a hard time at all just read the current Manga chapters. He can Kamui Naruto going at top speed the warp him staright back out in close range of the opp. The scale and range is now larger than either (can easily get a tailed beast) he also been spamming it for 30+ chapters so clap!

[BMC1994]

@captain

If you want to add something to your post you can just use the edit button on the bottom right corner of your post. Merged them for you.

[Storm_istheman]

If you say kakuzu that's 5vs1. Kakashi alone could probably defeat 3 hearts these days. I doubt all five. He is growing stronger as we have seen in the war. He would run out of chakra before he could defeat kakuzu's 5vs1. Unless he kamui all of them with great accuracy. Kakuzu quit hiding behind 5vs1 and his main body vs Kakashi 1vs1 though, Kakashi would tear his a** up.