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Old 02-20-2013, 12:05 PM   #81
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Not One Piece, but overpowered. They're on a continental scale.
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No it doesnt HAVE to go straight into a Hashirama - Madara spam fight and that doesnT HAVE to encompass the whole chapter. There are limitless possibilities of how this chapter could have gone to explain the purpose of the village or its origins. the fact that they just showed a Hashirama vs Madara fight where i couldn't understand a thing was disappointing, on top of how ridiculously short it felt. then again i'm one of those more into the storyline and explanations than the action when it comes to the manga....
Many people were saying how they wished to see fight between Hashirama and Madara. Many said that was the only battle in Naruto that they would like to see.

And since Naruto is primarily a fighting Manga, it makes sense to have fights in it!!!

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are you serious? yeah maybe because reading a whole chapter of fighting where its very difficult to make out anything isn't enjoyable?

and i hope you're joking about the anime vs manga fight portrayals lol. you're just not being realistic and must be extremely partial to the manga. to honestly say the fight portrayals are better in the manga is laughably ridiculous. half the time there are so many squiggly lines you have to focus very hard to figure out what object is what, let alone what every jutsu is/means, then assume/guess often what happens in between panels. and i'm not even factoring in the music which adds SO much more emotion to it in the anime, its absolutely crazy you think the manga is better for the action.

i don't get how some of you thought this chapter was so great unless all you like is confusing spam action.
I agree that sometimes it is hard to understand what happened. But you can read it again or go back an re read some part you didn't understand. I think it is fun to read and discover something new that you didn't before!!!

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Really? Continental?!!

I knew that fights are huge but I didn't really think it was bigger than the size of a country!!!
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Many people were saying how they wished to see fight between Hashirama and Madara. Many said that was the only battle in Naruto that they would like to see.

And since Naruto is primarily a fighting Manga, it makes sense to have fights in it!!!



I agree that sometimes it is hard to understand what happened. But you can read it again or go back an re read some part you didn't understand. I think it is fun to read and discover something new that you didn't before!!!



Really? Continental?!!

I knew that fights are huge but I didn't really think it was bigger than the size of a country!!!
Did you see that panel when Madar's bomb gets to the other shoreline?
It must've been hundreds of miles away.
We also get a ''satellite'' view xD
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Did you see that panel when Madar's bomb gets to the other shoreline?
It must've been hundreds of miles away.
We also get a ''satellite'' view xD
Yeah, the satellite view was awesome!!!

I guess it truly is continental range!!!
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But not this time. I have no idea what you are trying to say!!!

Lame, I know. But could you please explain it?!!
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Sorry, I know everyone always understands your replies through a single image. I usually do, too.

But not this time. I have no idea what you are trying to say!!!

Lame, I know. But could you please explain it?!!
The Sage of Six Paths is rumored to have made the moon with his Rinnegan gravity stuff.
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The Sage of Six Paths is rumored to have made the moon with his Rinnegan gravity stuff.
Oh, I know about Rikudo Sennin creating the Moon. I just didn't get what he meant with my comment.

Now I get it. Thank you very much!!!
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This was a good chapter. we finally got to actually see how the fight between Hashi and Madara.
And the Kyuubi + Susano'o......

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A few things on this chapter....

At this point in the manga its dreadfully obvious Kishimoto is trying to milk the series for all its worth. Every chapter=money. So he's clearly trying to jam in as much as possible (at least his publishers are).

Sadly I feel this has bloated the manga. We don't need to see everything Kishimoto. We don't. We are smart enough as readers. We have imaginations. We can fill in a lot by ourselves.

While I thought this chapter had great action, it may turn out to be unnecessary. All I'm saying is...Chekov's gun. Maybe it is necessary. Maybe in the current timeline Hashirama will again defeat Madara with 1000 Hands Summoning (and therefore Kishimoto is setting the jutsu up).

But we should know how Madara survived the battle/got the rinnengan out of it. So if this flashback doesn't explain that it makes it largely useless story-wise. Hopefully the flashback will also explain how Hashirama died. Because someone as powerful as him doesn't simply "die in battle."

Didn't much care for the utterly repetitive good shinobi/bad shinobi rivlarly starting from childhood. Kishimoto already demonstrated this is a cycle with Jiraiya/Orochimaru. We don't need another example. It's implied. At this rate we will see a Sarutobi/Danzo childhood rivalry followed by Minato/Fugaku childhood rivalry (in flashbacks no less).

The whole overcoming a childhood obstacle risks becoming stale and repetitive too at this point. Naruto used to fail at transformation(and various others) jutsus, but then he succeeds. Sasuke used to fail at fireball jutsu then succeeds. Jiraiya failed at X jutsu (forget the exact one) but then succeeds. Madara used to fail at throwing rocks across the pond then succeeds. Now obviously character arcs are necessary, but consider that Kishimoto didn't give Hinata a simplistic arc (simplistic as as in based on a single action as a measure of their change). He dramatized hers effectively during the Chuunin exams. Or consider Neji's. His arc wasn't based on being able to accomplish a jutsu/skill. It was based on him relinquishing a stubborn belief in destiny.

Likewise one can almost predict Madara's motivation. Dead parents/friends(probably killed by Senju). I base this on Orochimaru/Sasuke/Sasori/Kabuto/Haku/Gaara/Nagato's (arguably Kimimaro and Obito could be included) backstory's which all involve sadness/anger based on their immediate friends/family getting murdered.

As far as action goes, however, I will say it was an awesome chapter. Hashirama/Madara live up to their hype. Am interested to learn more about Hashirama's SM. Hard to believe Saru-Tobi was considered better than Hashirama (how would Sarutobi have beaten that 1000 Hands Buddha/Hindu statue)

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I failed to understand did hashirama summon triple or 4,5 rashomon gates? ._. the screen looks confusing and i see 3 "fat" ones but narutopedia is saying its actually 5 gates. O_o
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A few things on this chapter....

At this point in the manga its dreadfully obvious Kishimoto is trying to milk the series for all its worth. Every chapter=money. So he's clearly trying to jam in as much as possible (at least his publishers are).

Sadly I feel this has bloated the manga. We don't need to see everything Kishimoto. We don't. We are smart enough as readers. We have imaginations. We can fill in a lot by ourselves.

While I thought this chapter had great action, it may turn out to be unnecessary. All I'm saying is...Chekov's gun. Maybe it is necessary. Maybe in the current timeline Hashirama will again defeat Madara with 1000 Hands Summoning (and therefore Kishimoto is setting the jutsu up).

But we should know how Madara survived the battle/got the rinnengan out of it. So if this flashback doesn't explain that it makes it largely useless story-wise. Hopefully the flashback will also explain how Hashirama died. Because someone as powerful as him doesn't simply "die in battle."

Didn't much care for the utterly repetitive good shinobi/bad shinobi rivlarly starting from childhood. Kishimoto already demonstrated this is a cycle with Jiraiya/Orochimaru. We don't need another example. It's implied. At this rate we will see a Sarutobi/Danzo childhood rivalry followed by Minato/Fugaku childhood rivalry (in flashbacks no less).

The whole overcoming a childhood obstacle risks becoming stale and repetitive too at this point. Naruto used to fail at transformation(and various others) jutsus, but then he succeeds. Sasuke used to fail at fireball jutsu then succeeds. Jiraiya failed at X jutsu (forget the exact one) but then succeeds. Madara used to fail at throwing rocks across the pond then succeeds. Now obviously character arcs are necessary, but consider that Kishimoto didn't give Hinata a simplistic arc (simplistic as as in based on a single action as a measure of their change). He dramatized hers effectively during the Chuunin exams. Or consider Neji's. His arc wasn't based on being able to accomplish a jutsu/skill. It was based on him relinquishing a stubborn belief in destiny.

Likewise one can almost predict Madara's motivation. Dead parents/friends(probably killed by Senju). I base this on Orochimaru/Sasuke/Sasori/Kabuto/Haku/Gaara/Nagato's (arguably Kimimaro and Obito could be included) backstory's which all involve sadness/anger based on their immediate friends/family getting murdered.

As far as action goes, however, I will say it was an awesome chapter. Hashirama/Madara live up to their hype. Am interested to learn more about Hashirama's SM. Hard to believe Saru-Tobi was considered better than Hashirama (how would Sarutobi have beaten that 1000 Hands Buddha/Hindu statue)

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I agree. Things are moving in a direction that really isn't that good. The series went from Silent Killing to something that dwarfs mountains. Kishi is definitely milking it right now.
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I see 3.
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At this point in the manga its dreadfully obvious Kishimoto is trying to milk the series for all its worth. Every chapter=money. So he's clearly trying to jam in as much as possible (at least his publishers are).

Sadly I feel this has bloated the manga. We don't need to see everything Kishimoto. We don't. We are smart enough as readers. We have imaginations. We can fill in a lot by ourselves.

While I thought this chapter had great action, it may turn out to be unnecessary. All I'm saying is...Chekov's gun. Maybe it is necessary. Maybe in the current timeline Hashirama will again defeat Madara with 1000 Hands Summoning (and therefore Kishimoto is setting the jutsu up).

But we should know how Madara survived the battle/got the rinnengan out of it. So if this flashback doesn't explain that it makes it largely useless story-wise. Hopefully the flashback will also explain how Hashirama died. Because someone as powerful as him doesn't simply "die in battle."

Didn't much care for the utterly repetitive good shinobi/bad shinobi rivlarly starting from childhood. Kishimoto already demonstrated this is a cycle with Jiraiya/Orochimaru. We don't need another example. It's implied. At this rate we will see a Sarutobi/Danzo childhood rivalry followed by Minato/Fugaku childhood rivalry (in flashbacks no less).

The whole overcoming a childhood obstacle risks becoming stale and repetitive too at this point. Naruto used to fail at transformation(and various others) jutsus, but then he succeeds. Sasuke used to fail at fireball jutsu then succeeds. Jiraiya failed at X jutsu (forget the exact one) but then succeeds. Madara used to fail at throwing rocks across the pond then succeeds. Now obviously character arcs are necessary, but consider that Kishimoto didn't give Hinata a simplistic arc (simplistic as as in based on a single action as a measure of their change). He dramatized hers effectively during the Chuunin exams. Or consider Neji's. His arc wasn't based on being able to accomplish a jutsu/skill. It was based on him relinquishing a stubborn belief in destiny.

Likewise one can almost predict Madara's motivation. Dead parents/friends(probably killed by Senju). I base this on Orochimaru/Sasuke/Sasori/Kabuto/Haku/Gaara/Nagato's (arguably Kimimaro and Obito could be included) backstory's which all involve sadness/anger based on their immediate friends/family getting murdered.

As far as action goes, however, I will say it was an awesome chapter. Hashirama/Madara live up to their hype. Am interested to learn more about Hashirama's SM. Hard to believe Saru-Tobi was considered better than Hashirama (how would Sarutobi have beaten that 1000 Hands Buddha/Hindu statue)

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Good words... like it!

as for sarutobi being stronger than hashi, i believe kishi is scratching off that idea...kishi made it clear about the inconsistencies in who's stronger than who... i doubt hashi planned on OP'ing Hashirama like this in part one when he spoke of Minato being the strongest shinobi among the dead... Kishi is sure, changing a lot of things...



btw... the pace as which the manga is advancing is becoming more exponential in terms of Haxness... Things like many handsigns and using the elements is becoming fodder... Looking at this chapter makes Jiraiya whom i considered one of the strongest a joke... And if naruto is gonna become stronger than hashi what'd he be doing?
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I finally understand

Hashirama was so modest about his power so people thought he was weaker. Plus he was the 1st Hokage so he was forgotten. And his power was hyped to be a fair tale.

Thus people think Hiruzen is stronger due to lack of knowledge
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:09 PM   #97
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I do find it weird that Sarutobi is better then Hashirama I mean he was barely able to fight Orochimaru and we know he's not the strongest person in the story and we saw how he was getting his ass beat by Hashirama and Tobirama (mostly by Hashirama) and they weren't even close to full power unlike they are now. Sure Sarutobi might have had a better time fighting if he was younger but still I don't see him being anywhere near as strong as Hashirama the only Hokage I see just as good or better is Minato.
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I'm wondering why most everyone is surprised with the whole "Madara, we're supposed to be friends." line. >.> I mean they founded the Leaf village together. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be living in the same village let alone creating a common ground if they were not friends or at least respected each other. ._.
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Its true Obito kinda explained that kinda thing to Sasuke when he was telling him the story.XD
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