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Kyūbi no Yōko · 01-30-2013, 03:24 AM

How can Orochimaru CONTROL the effing Hokages?

Tobirama is in that sh**. This guy invented Edo Tensei.
How can you know more about a jutsu than the creator of the jutsu itself, it doesn't matter if Oro perfected it, Tobirama knows the jutsu down to its core.

Then, you have 3 other beasts, you're not just going to 'control' them. And this is probably heading to the battlefield, where Hashirama is going to see Madara, Minato is going to see Tobi and Naruto, Hiruzen is going to see all the kids, Tobirama is going to see idontknowwho, that'll just make them more mad and make them not want to fight being controlled. (if that happens in the first place)

Oh and, funny thing is, all these years nobody had ever passed through the Uzumaki district of Konoha, yeah, and there are just some powerful masks that give you huge powers and yet nobody touched them.

And those masks just lie there with no trap, you can just take them, there are no traps defending huge power from getting in the wrong hands.

Maruko · 01-30-2013, 03:40 AM

He's cool....until he gives them emotions.
Then he's fu-

Kyūbi no Yōko · 01-30-2013, 03:43 AM

He's fu- since the beginning.

Naruto321 · 01-30-2013, 04:23 AM

There were a bunch on the wall of masks

Asura kisuke · 01-30-2013, 04:40 AM

I haven't been here in a while but the sight of the hogages Sommonds I had to return I had expected them to show up wasn't expecting orochimaru to be the one to release them from the demon and Sommonds them too I wonder where it is going.

Asura kisuke · 01-30-2013, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

How can Orochimaru CONTROL the effing Hokages?

Tobirama is in that sh**. This guy invented Edo Tensei.
How can you know more about a jutsu than the creator of the jutsu itself, it doesn't matter if Oro perfected it, Tobirama knows the jutsu down to its core.

Then, you have 3 other beasts, you're not just going to 'control' them. And this is probably heading to the battlefield, where Hashirama is going to see Madara, Minato is going to see Tobi and Naruto, Hiruzen is going to see all the kids, Tobirama is going to see idontknowwho, that'll just make them more mad and make them not want to fight being controlled. (if that happens in the first place)

Oh and, funny thing is, all these years nobody had ever passed through the Uzumaki district of Konoha, yeah, and there are just some powerful masks that give you huge powers and yet nobody touched them.

And those masks just lie there with no trap, you can just take them, there are no traps defending huge power from getting in the wrong hands.

I think tobirama will find a way to free them and join the war to help naruto

Phacade · 01-30-2013, 04:45 AM

Thing is, the masks are useless to most folks. Very few people would know about the masks, let assume they were anything but decorations or how to use them. Plus you need a Uchiha to open the shrine, and Orochimaru to do the jutsu. The combination required for this circumstance is almost impossible to happen; so its quite safe to leave them laying there.

Asura kisuke · 01-30-2013, 04:50 AM

Orochimaru chose one from many that was the trap if u dnt know the right one then u can't get the power

BMC1994 · 01-30-2013, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

How can Orochimaru CONTROL the effing Hokages?

Tobirama is in that sh**. This guy invented Edo Tensei.
How can you know more about a jutsu than the creator of the jutsu itself, it doesn't matter if Oro perfected it, Tobirama knows the jutsu down to its core.

Then, you have 3 other beasts, you're not just going to 'control' them. And this is probably heading to the battlefield, where Hashirama is going to see Madara, Minato is going to see Tobi and Naruto, Hiruzen is going to see all the kids, Tobirama is going to see idontknowwho, that'll just make them more mad and make them not want to fight being controlled. (if that happens in the first place)

Oh and, funny thing is, all these years nobody had ever passed through the Uzumaki district of Konoha, yeah, and there are just some powerful masks that give you huge powers and yet nobody touched them.

And those masks just lie there with no trap, you can just take them, there are no traps defending huge power from getting in the wrong hands.

They were just summoned so maybe tobirama will break.

I dont see why the others would break free mister solos 10000 shinobi 3 days and 3nights was easily controlled. Same for madara who poops on everything he was just bs'ed so uchihafans could admire his **** longer.

Maruko · 01-30-2013, 06:21 AM

I think they will all break. xD
Hashirama because he's haxx.
Tobirama because he reated it.
Minato becuase he knows a bunch of seals.
Hiruzen because he is....a hokage.

Kyūbi no Yōko · 01-30-2013, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BMC1994

They were just summoned so maybe tobirama will break.

I dont see why the others would break free mister solos 10000 shinobi 3 days and 3nights was easily controlled. Same for madara who poops on everything he was just bs'ed so uchihafans could admire his **** longer.

Tobirama will break the others.

paradigm1977 · 01-30-2013, 07:55 AM

The kinda issue is Madara breaking free of Edo, opens the questions of

1. Why didn't Madara break free right away? Maybe Kabuto was controlling his body, and would allow him to use specific jutsu, but does that mean he can read the minds of the ETs? Why doesn't Madara release the ET right away?

2. How did this affect the prior ET of Tobirama? Same restrictions as Madara?

3. Does Tobirama need Oro to lose focus as Kabuto did, to give Tobirama the chance to escape?

4. Will Oro take the ETs with them? Before, it seemed the used needed to be stationary to control ETs. Will that be cheated, with Oro traveling with them?

coolm3 · 01-30-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by paradigm1977

The kinda issue is Madara breaking free of Edo, opens the questions of

1. Why didn't Madara break free right away? Maybe Kabuto was controlling his body, and would allow him to use specific jutsu, but does that mean he can read the minds of the ETs? Why doesn't Madara release the ET right away?

2. How did this affect the prior ET of Tobirama? Same restrictions as Madara?

3. Does Tobirama need Oro to lose focus as Kabuto did, to give Tobirama the chance to escape?

4. Will Oro take the ETs with them? Before, it seemed the used needed to be stationary to control ETs. Will that be cheated, with Oro traveling with them?

Kabuto needed to stay stationary as he was essentially the only general/strategist. He needed to be hidden and have enough concentration to manage so many fronts at once. Notice that even then he had trouble controlling them but tjink about it. The amount he was controlling was insane. The many S-Class shinobi was sure to be hard to control,thus explaining why some shinobi had to have their personality wiped to fight or they would self destruct. Somehow I can imagine Orochimaru helping the Alliance since being under an infinite genjutsu surely cannot be in his ambitions.

DrKage · 01-30-2013, 10:32 AM

Madara seemed to indicate that there was a very limited window to break free of the Edo Tensei. When the user was releasing the jutsu, the edo could break free and stay on. The Hashi and Tobirama edo's from earlier never had that chance since they were being sealed away, not released.

It's several years later, maybe Oro knows how to better control. Although it will probably take all his concentration to control arguably, 4 of the most powerful shinobi ever (regardless of the other ETs, does anyone really think any of them could have taken on any of the Hokage's 1-on-1 and won? I don't).

Fuuin · 01-30-2013, 01:04 PM

Seriously, who cares if there's an Uzumaki ruin with all those masks.

Uchiha have a shrine with the most hax secret of all time on it.

Come on, straight haters around here dude. -_-;

Hyuuga Heir · 01-30-2013, 01:18 PM

Regarding Tobirama being summoned...

He may have created it, but Orochimaru bettered it further and then Kabuto perfected the technique. Considering Orochimaru absorbed the chakra from Kabuto, and also his memories (as demonstrated by Orochimaru receving Kabuto's knowledge about the Zetsu attached to Sasuke), I wouldn't be surprised if Orochimaru now knew the perfected method of Edo Tensei. So, in theory, Orochimaru can control the summons in the same way Kabuto did.

Satsuki · 01-30-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyūbi no Yōko

How can Orochimaru CONTROL the effing Hokages?

He did it once before. Why wouldn't he be able to do it again?

>.>

Rikudo Sage · 01-30-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by paradigm1977

The kinda issue is Madara breaking free of Edo, opens the questions of

1. Why didn't Madara break free right away? Maybe Kabuto was controlling his body, and would allow him to use specific jutsu, but does that mean he can read the minds of the ETs? Why doesn't Madara release the ET right away?
Because there was no "opening". That opening was when Kabuto release the contract.
2. How did this affect the prior ET of Tobirama? Same restrictions as Madara?

3. Does Tobirama need Oro to lose focus as Kabuto did, to give Tobirama the chance to escape?
Orochimaru would need to release the contract first and when the soul started to leave. It will be the opportunity to "renew" the contract and break free but under one condition.. The required sealing must be done by Tobirama before he's soul completely departs. Thats if he wanted to ET himself like what Madara did.
4. Will Oro take the ETs with them? Before, it seemed the used needed to be stationary to control ETs. Will that be cheated, with Oro traveling with them?

In green

SmellyDump · 01-30-2013, 03:01 PM

I agree that the hokages might not be able to gain their free will back as Madara was only able to break away from it after Kabuto was releasing it. But maybe the 2nd hokage might have something up his sleeve because he is the second hokage and created the technique in the first place. Maybe Hashirama since he is Madara's rival. As Itachi always said, All techniques have a weakness.

Kioroshi. · 01-30-2013, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyuuga Heir

Regarding Tobirama being summoned...

He may have created it, but Orochimaru bettered it further and then Kabuto perfected the technique. Considering Orochimaru absorbed the chakra from Kabuto, and also his memories (as demonstrated by Orochimaru receving Kabuto's knowledge about the Zetsu attached to Sasuke), I wouldn't be surprised if Orochimaru now knew the perfected method of Edo Tensei. So, in theory, Orochimaru can control the summons in the same way Kabuto did.

Also as most people here tend to forget it may be possible kabuto also experienced the break of Et and madara's release so oro now knows what not to do.

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Kyūbi no Yōko Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 3,432 Rep Power: 10	How can Oro ... How can Orochimaru CONTROL the effing Hokages? Tobirama is in that sh*. This guy invented Edo Tensei. How can you know more about a jutsu than the creator of the jutsu itself, it doesn't matter if Oro perfected it, Tobirama knows the jutsu down to its core. Then, you have 3 other beasts, you're not just going to 'control' them. And this is probably heading to the battlefield, where Hashirama is going to see Madara, Minato is going to see Tobi and Naruto, Hiruzen is going to see all the kids, Tobirama is going to see idontknowwho, that'll just make them more mad and make them not want to fight being controlled. (if that happens in the first place) Oh and, funny thing is, all these years nobody had ever passed through the Uzumaki district of Konoha, yeah, and there are just some powerful masks that give you huge powers and yet nobody touched them. And those masks just lie there with no trap, you can just take them, there are no traps defending huge power from getting in the wrong hands.* __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Welcome to reality. ~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~\|\|~ universe.

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Phacade Apprentice Genin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 175 Rep Power: 4	Re: How can Oro ... Thing is, the masks are useless to most folks. Very few people would know about the masks, let assume they were anything but decorations or how to use them. Plus you need a Uchiha to open the shrine, and Orochimaru to do the jutsu. The combination required for this circumstance is almost impossible to happen; so its quite safe to leave them laying there. __________________ ■ I mock your cheese danish and all it stands for! ■

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Maruko Winter is Coming Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 12,283 Rep Power: 33	Re: How can Oro ... I think they will all break. xD Hashirama because he's haxx. Tobirama because he reated it. Minato becuase he knows a bunch of seals. Hiruzen because he is....a hokage.

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paradigm1977 Chunin Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Posts: 1,134 Rep Power: 6	Re: How can Oro ... The kinda issue is Madara breaking free of Edo, opens the questions of 1. Why didn't Madara break free right away? Maybe Kabuto was controlling his body, and would allow him to use specific jutsu, but does that mean he can read the minds of the ETs? Why doesn't Madara release the ET right away? 2. How did this affect the prior ET of Tobirama? Same restrictions as Madara? 3. Does Tobirama need Oro to lose focus as Kabuto did, to give Tobirama the chance to escape? 4. Will Oro take the ETs with them? Before, it seemed the used needed to be stationary to control ETs. Will that be cheated, with Oro traveling with them? __________________ Where are the Akatsuki Avatars? I want Kakuzu.

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DrKage Genin Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 345 Rep Power: 3	Re: How can Oro ... Madara seemed to indicate that there was a very limited window to break free of the Edo Tensei. When the user was releasing the jutsu, the edo could break free and stay on. The Hashi and Tobirama edo's from earlier never had that chance since they were being sealed away, not released. It's several years later, maybe Oro knows how to better control. Although it will probably take all his concentration to control arguably, 4 of the most powerful shinobi ever (regardless of the other ETs, does anyone really think any of them could have taken on any of the Hokage's 1-on-1 and won? I don't).

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Fuuin Genin Elite Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 403 Rep Power: 4 Member's Picture Albums	Re: How can Oro ... Seriously, who cares if there's an Uzumaki ruin with all those masks. Uchiha have a shrine with the most hax secret of all time on it. Come on, straight haters around here dude. -_-; __________________ Tobirama... Lower your fingers.

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Hyuuga Heir Genin Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 344 Rep Power: 7	Re: How can Oro ... Regarding Tobirama being summoned... He may have created it, but Orochimaru bettered it further and then Kabuto perfected the technique. Considering Orochimaru absorbed the chakra from Kabuto, and also his memories (as demonstrated by Orochimaru receving Kabuto's knowledge about the Zetsu attached to Sasuke), I wouldn't be surprised if Orochimaru now knew the perfected method of Edo Tensei. So, in theory, Orochimaru can control the summons in the same way Kabuto did.

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SmellyDump Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: 1234 Real Street Posts: 564 Rep Power: 4	Re: How can Oro ... I agree that the hokages might not be able to gain their free will back as Madara was only able to break away from it after Kabuto was releasing it. But maybe the 2nd hokage might have something up his sleeve because he is the second hokage and created the technique in the first place. Maybe Hashirama since he is Madara's rival. As Itachi always said, All techniques have a weakness.

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