is Tobi immune to MS blindness?

[Maruko]

Originally Posted by Werebazs

Which brings us back to what I said: the power of 2 MS (which is required to awaken Susano'o) is too much to handle, but 1 MS (which means no Susano'o) is safe.

It's still not safe. :P
Every MS jutsu damages you.
Susano'o just does it more because, like you said, you use both eyes at the same time.
But still you go blind with every jutsu....Susano'o just makes it 50% faster.

[SenjuUchiha]

Originally Posted by Maruko

It's still not safe. :P
Every MS jutsu damages you.
Susano'o just does it more because, like you said, you use both eyes at the same time.
But still you go blind with every jutsu....Susano'o just makes it 50% faster.

Agreed

[slyfoxx]

let see from what we've learn transplants dont go blind. so u can cross out kakashi and danzo(who also had the 1st cells) So that only leave shuisi and izuna who dont seem like battle types that would have to spamm thier eyes as much remember itachi had his for years and sasuke only had his for about a week so it plausible izuna and shisiu didnt use thiers as much which is why theirs lasted longer. Now that leaves tobi who also had transplants(we've seen him with two sharigans after he gave his to kakashi) and had the 1st's dna which is known for its recover properties, it was said the he healed without using handsign or something. So lets just agree if you mixed uchiha with senju you get haxxed to da maxxed(and plotholes)

[Kyūbi no Yōko]

Yeah, this 'blindness from overuse' rule doesn't apply anymore. - Kishi logic.

[Maruko]

^A giant rock crushed you and you survive.
A wooden stick pierces you and you die.
Logic.

[gatekeeper8]

Originally Posted by slyfoxx

let see from what we've learn transplants dont go blind. so u can cross out kakashi and danzo(who also had the 1st cells) So that only leave shuisi and izuna who dont seem like battle types that would have to spamm thier eyes as much remember itachi had his for years and sasuke only had his for about a week so it plausible izuna and shisiu didnt use thiers as much which is why theirs lasted longer. Now that leaves tobi who also had transplants(we've seen him with two sharigans after he gave his to kakashi) and had the 1st's dna which is known for its recover properties, it was said the he healed without using handsign or something. So lets just agree if you mixed uchiha with senju you get haxxed to da maxxed(and plotholes)

as to kakashi having the firsts dna i do not beilive he dose but i may be wrong and shisui was a big battle type even to this day people recognize him and his MS jutsu also kabuto wanted to edo tensai him why would he do that if he was not as to izuna he was the 2nd strongest uchiha in his time behind madara which i take it means he also is a battle type it is possible izuna did not use his much but shisui is known for only two things his MS and his body flicker as to danzo yes he did have senju and uchia dna so that maybe the reasn he dose not go blind but dose not explain shisui as to zetsus saying that senju dna makes sharingan more powerfull i think he was replying to how it pens the abilatty to use izanagi which obito says in the konan vs obito fight that only those with senju and uchia dna can use izanagi

[DrKage]

Is Kakashi going blind? I really don't know. Is it because Obito had transplanted Sharingan? Not his original one but in his other eye, maybe that fixed or vastly slowed the degradation and it just transferred over to Kakashi's eye because they are connected.

Maybe Kamui doesn't burn out the Sharingan like the other MS techniques. It doesn't seem to be a capability that any other Uchiha had or if they did, very rare. It also doesn't seem like those able to do Kamui are able to use other MS techniques. At least, they haven't been shown as able to. If they would, you'd think Obito would have, even if he started to go blind, he had many replacements, and in theory, if Kamui is like other MS techniques, it would have still existed when the other eyes transplanted. But there's no evidence that any of that is the case.

So if Kamui doesn't transplant, maybe it also doesn't burn out the eye.

[Maruko]

Originally Posted by DrKage

Is Kakashi going blind? I really don't know. Is it because Obito had transplanted Sharingan? Not his original one but in his other eye, maybe that fixed or vastly slowed the degradation and it just transferred over to Kakashi's eye because they are connected.

Maybe Kamui doesn't burn out the Sharingan like the other MS techniques. It doesn't seem to be a capability that any other Uchiha had or if they did, very rare. It also doesn't seem like those able to do Kamui are able to use other MS techniques. At least, they haven't been shown as able to. If they would, you'd think Obito would have, even if he started to go blind, he had many replacements, and in theory, if Kamui is like other MS techniques, it would have still existed when the other eyes transplanted. But there's no evidence that any of that is the case.

So if Kamui doesn't transplant, maybe it also doesn't burn out the eye.

He's been going blind since the beginning.
When he fought Itachi's 30% with Naruto, Itachi said the he wouldn't use Mangekyou, and Kakashi replied: ''How bad has your eyesight become,'' Itachi replied with ''It can't be...have you...,'' which means that Itachi knew that Kakashi had Mangekyou, and Kakashi also knew about the side effect.

[DrKage]

Just because Kakshi knew about the side effect doesn't mean he's suffering from it. I think Kakashi, in battle no less, has covered his regular eye while using the Sharingan, and I don't think he would do it if he was going blind from it. And even if he is going blind, it is at a way less pronounced rate than other MS users. Kakashi has used it a lot and hasn't shown any ill effects.

[Rikudo Sage]

Originally Posted by gatekeeper8

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ok so i like alot of you have noticed obito is the biggest spammer of MS ever and has never lost his sight and the current theory is its due to hashiramas dna well i think that is not the case due to the fact kakashi has obitos other MS and has not got blind now the theory to that was because it was transplanted now i never under stood that to begin with so what i want to no is what is really goin on with obito is he like immune to the blindness effect or something i mean i dont think it has to do with his dna but his actual sharingan is the only people who have the blindness effect the ones who can awake susanoo because so far as we have seen they are the only ones who have been affected by this affect shisui was known around the world for his MS and altho we have no proof that he didint go blind we no that danzo could use his eye with out going blind also madaras brother was not known to be able to use susanoo and was the one of the brothers who did not go blind altho we do not no if he suffers blur vision so is this a trait that comes with the susanoo or is there some kind of special thing goin on with obito

Senju DNA enchances sharringan functionality. Kakashi knows that overusing MS will cause blindness, so it is logical to say that he is also suffering from this draw back. That draw back that Kakashi is suffering from is not the same with the Uchiha that is using many MS abilities like Sasuke, Itachi and Madara which are prone to overusing it because of special abilities like susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi.

Kakashi is not overusing MS but Obito does. Kakashi is not using his MS unless it is needed but Obito uses it everytime he phases through or sucks an object. This only suggests that Senju DNA is the key to prolong the MS life span.

Originally Posted by DrKage

Just because Kakshi knew about the side effect doesn't mean he's suffering from it. I think Kakashi, in battle no less, has covered his regular eye while using the Sharingan, and I don't think he would do it if he was going blind from it. And even if he is going blind, it is at a way less pronounced rate than other MS users. Kakashi has used it a lot and hasn't shown any ill effects.

What makes you think that he's not suffering from the draw back of being blind? Why he would comment about it if he has no knowledge about it? So speak of, he has knowledge that overusing MS will cause blindness but where did he get that knowledge from? Are you suggesting that he learned it by reading uchiha tablet which is highly unlikely.

[DrKage]

There is no evidence that Kamui causes blindness in the eye. And while Hashirama's cells can improve function of the eye, there's no indication that they stop the degeneration of an MS from it's use. And Obito, who uses his Kamui almost constantly, has shown no effects of blindness. And he has also shown no inlination to use any of the other MS techniques. There is no basis for connecting any of it. Just because some MS technique's damage the eyes doesn't mean they all do.

[scallanan]

And since we've seen that transplanting hashirama's cells caused kotoamatsuki to regenerate much much faster, we can also deduce that it slows the effects the jutsu has on the eyes as well.

[gatekeeper8]

Originally Posted by scallanan

And since we've seen that transplanting hashirama's cells caused kotoamatsuki to regenerate much much faster, we can also deduce that it slows the effects the jutsu has on the eyes as well.

yes it may slow down the effect but still the amount of time obito uses it even a a slowed rate is crazy and im personally getting tiered of senju dna bein the answer for every thing its almost like how do we end world hunger I KNOW SENJU DNA heck i personally would rather have an explanation that makes no since than it be senju dna again xD and as to if kakashi is suffering from blindness yes kakashi was aware of this effect but if he were to have awakened MS before the beginning of the shippuden series and use it as much as he has since the beginning of the series and this is not counting the time before the series i would think he would be blind by now i honestly think its one of those cases were even the uchiha did not no it was possible i mean they didint no that some one out side of the clan could awaken the MS maybe they didint no there is sertan MS abilitys that do not seal it in this case it bein kamui i mean if there are certain abilitys that can seal it faster like izanagi or susanoo maybe there are abilatys that seal it slower or even not at all being kamui i mean the only abilitys obito has that we are aware of is kamui so maybe that is why he dose not go blind is because that ability dose not seal the MS kind of a reverse to the izanagi sealing it on the spot

[slyfoxx]

Originally Posted by gatekeeper8

as to kakashi having the firsts dna i do not beilive he dose but i may be wrong and shisui was a big battle type even to this day people recognize him and his MS jutsu also kabuto wanted to edo tensai him why would he do that if he was not as to izuna he was the 2nd strongest uchiha in his time behind madara which i take it means he also is a battle type it is possible izuna did not use his much but shisui is known for only two things his MS and his body flicker as to danzo yes he did have senju and uchia dna so that maybe the reasn he dose not go blind but dose not explain shisui as to zetsus saying that senju dna makes sharingan more powerfull i think he was replying to how it pens the abilatty to use izanagi which obito says in the konan vs obito fight that only those with senju and uchia dna can use izanagi

not kakashi but danzo had the first cell and shuisi eyes arent battel type usally people who can munipulate are weak in battle and its such a op power it would be famous accross the land(he lost to danzo so who knows his battle skills)

[FireShadow]

tobi is immune because he has senju cells so ms cannot make him go blind. he is boosted. or buffed this is why senju is so sought after.

[Obito]

The reality of the matter is, as we've all seen either from watching Naruto Shippuden or the Manga, Kakashi's Mangekyou Sharingan visual prowess isn't effected by Kumui, maybe it has more to do with Obito's Sharingan than people realize. It's difficult to determine weather or not Kakashi isn't being effect by the over use of Kamui and not being blinded because he's not an Uchiha, maybe that's just it. But Obito's case is entirely different, he's a full blooded Uchiha. But still so far to MY knowledge isn't having or HAD any problems with getting blinded by the use of Mangekyou techniques. But one wouldn't know, he's stacked so many Sharingan eyes it's even impossible to tell if the Sharingan on his right eye socket is even his original Sharingan.

[FireShadow]

Kaka not true heir to shringan which is why he is tired but he did said that it does fading. however obito ironikly isnt despite his idiocy!

btw the senju also unlocks the rinnegan so they may gain if it does not expire first

[Sir Michael]

It's Senju DNA.

[gatekeeper8]

Originally Posted by slyfoxx

not kakashi but danzo had the first cell and shuisi eyes arent battel type usally people who can munipulate are weak in battle and its such a op power it would be famous accross the land(he lost to danzo so who knows his battle skills)

i agree that shisuis eye isint that effective as a battle type power however his nick name shusui the teleport imply he is skilled in body flicker just like the 4th and hes one of the most powerful battle types and you are right danzo beat shisui but danzo is was skilled enough to be a kage so bein able to be beat by a kage dose not mean u are weak also shisuis eye would be more effective than a battle type in information extraction or when nagotiating id say his eye would be used more than a battle type eye because it would be a amazing tool in diplomatic and information missions and in battle situations as well although not as usfull as a battle type eye and although senju dna is a likely explanation it dose not explain why uchihas would kill clan members fore EMS and not there hated rivals the senju i mean they would have to no of this effect if they had any information on izanagi which also takes uchiha and senju dna and it is also known that the uchiha killed eachother over the ages and it proved not evry one can awaken ms so that means there were uchihas other than who we know who have awakend it and if they s if they had senju dna and ms and put 2+2 and noticed they would not go bind it makes no sence as to kill ur brother and not ur hated rival clan

[scallanan]

Originally Posted by gatekeeper8

i agree that shisuis eye isint that effective as a battle type power however his nick name shusui the teleport imply he is skilled in body flicker just like the 4th and hes one of the most powerful battle types and you are right danzo beat shisui but danzo is was skilled enough to be a kage so bein able to be beat by a kage dose not mean u are weak also shisuis eye would be more effective than a battle type in information extraction or when nagotiating id say his eye would be used more than a battle type eye because it would be a amazing tool in diplomatic and information missions and in battle situations as well although not as usfull as a battle type eye and although senju dna is a likely explanation it dose not explain why uchihas would kill clan members fore EMS and not there hated rivals the senju i mean they would have to no of this effect if they had any information on izanagi which also takes uchiha and senju dna and it is also known that the uchiha killed eachother over the ages and it proved not evry one can awaken ms so that means there were uchihas other than who we know who have awakend it and if they s if they had senju dna and ms and put 2+2 and noticed they would not go bind it makes no sence as to kill ur brother and not ur hated rival clan

Hmmm, so senju + uchiha dna can't be the answer to max out the MS, or Uchiha's would've done this instead of killing their brethren for EMS? Is that what you're saying?
If so, good point. It honestly doesn't make sense then. We know the first's cells made the sharingan more powerful, and also allowed for the sharingan to form into a rinnegan. And it made some jutsu such as kotoamatsuki to regenerate much quicker! But, we have no proof that senju dna will allow for spammed use of MS.

Obito, as said above, has many sharingan eyes at his lab. Therefore, it is full-well probable that he transplants them as they begin to fade. This was for a time until he could get the rinnegan.

Kakashi has got NO SENJU DNA! And he does not seem to be carrying any blindness to the eyes, as of yet. He seemed to only start using it after the 2 year skip despite awakening it at an early age. He has used it now enough times for him to be feeling the sealing effects of it by now. All we really see is his stamina plummet from using it. And I think the point made by someone before about how he closes one eye when he is using his sharingan makes it obvious that he isn't going blind, or he would keep the other eye open to be able to "see" properly.

Shisui also had NO SENJU DNA and used kotoamatsuki many times in his lifetime. There isn't really any proof or disproof about whether or not he was going blind, but Itachi certainly didn't know about it, or at least didn't mention it. Shisui's eye would've been used countless times no doubt, with it's amazing powers, so then why didn't he go blind either?

Danzo has senju dna, but we don't see evidence that he actually used Shisui's eye to much extent. Therefore it is hard to tell whether he was suffering from any drawbacks just like Sasuke or Itachi.

Sasuke, Madara and Itachi ALL HAD THE THREE MAIN MANGEKYO TECHNIQUES!! Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi!! They are the three people in Naruto history that have gotten blindness in their eyes. If no other uchiha or mangekyo sharingan user has shown to be going blind, then it must be down to the fact that these three jutsu are the most powerful of all the MS techniques, and poses the most strain on the user's body (susano'o pains the body, while tsukuyomi and amaterasu seal the eyes). I'm nearly sure I remember a chapter in which it explained that these 3 techniques are what make a MS go blind, but I can't find it.

Overall, Senju DNA doesn't really seem to be the answer. I think it's determined by what eye techniques you use (as Izanagi, a normal sharingan technique will lock the eye away forever, even WITH SENJU DNA!!)

shisui is known for only two things his MS and his body flicker as to danzo yes he did have senju and uchia dna so that maybe the reasn he dose not go blind but dose not explain shisui as to zetsus saying that senju dna makes sharingan more powerfull i think he was replying to how it pens the abilatty to use izanagi which obito says in the konan vs obito fight that only those with senju and uchia dna can use izanagi

Izanagi is not dependant on Uchiha + Senju DNA because

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Itachi was shown to be able to use it in his fight against Kabuto