Spoiler Madara's eye's Is Still Incomplete!

[kalmeast]

Yea, I said it... he may have a full fledged rinnegan but it still is imperfect... why'd I say this?

Let's look at the successive introduction of the Rinnegan...

NAGATO: He had The rinnegan permanently in his BOTH Eyes... No sharingan...
Next is

TOBI: He had the Rinnegan in his LEFT eye and Sharingan In his Right...Making him more powerful than Nagato: being able to use both dojutsu
Next is

MADARA: He has the Rinnegan in BOTH eyes and Sharingan In Both Eyes...This is an improvement over Tobi's... But To use The Sharingan, He'd have to switch back and forth from sharingan to rinnegan and so on...


NOW the toad sage prophesied that Naruto will fight someone with power in his eyes and we know this someone is SASUKE...Naruto knew that himself.
IF Naruto is fighting TOBI and MADARA now who have power in their eyes, what'd make Madara and Tobi bypass the Toad sage's prophecy and Not...Don't they also have power in their eyes?

SIMPLY because the power in Sasuke's eyes will be greater than Both Madara and Tobi...It will be an advancement over Madara's current Rinnegan...

So what'd it look like... well think about it...Madara has to go back and forth to use the rinnegan and EMS...

SASUKE's NEW EYES WILL HAVE THE EMS "Printed" ON TOP OF THE RINNEGAN to avoid that drawback madara has of going back and forth between the two.

EDIT: well, based on GK saying EMS on Rinnegan would be too complex and Sir Michael Proposing sharingan + rinnegan (instead of EMS + Rinnegan), I have a re-visitation...

That is, The Rinnegan Will have the ability to convert the EMS into 6-Tomoe (like the image behind the rikoudo in chp 510 pg 11, we see rinnegan with 6 tomoe)... These six tomoe will have all the power of the EMS.... too far-fetched or what?

[Godaime Kazekage]

Where are you getting the idea that Madara has to switch back to use sharingan?

Edit: Sasuke's EMS is intricate enough as is, drawing it on top of Rinnegan would make it look even more over the top and would be a pain in the ass for Kishi to draw

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Where are you getting the idea that Madara has to switch back to use sharingan?

Edit: Sasuke's EMS is intricate enough as is, drawing it on top of Rinnegan would make it look even more over the top and would be a pain in the ass for Kishi to draw

but sir...you of all ppl should know i do my research very well... Yes... madara had to switch back and forth...

chp 588 page 8... before this page madara was fighting the Kage's with the rinnegan for over 5 chapters... But when he had to use genjutsu on Raikage, he switched from his current Rinnegan to the EMS... and Raikage fell for it...

the fact that he had to switch is a draw back...a little... that's all i'm saying

Well, didn't we all think sasuke's MS was tooooo complicated to incorporate itachi's MS into it... kishi did it... to place that over a rinnegan is no big deal though I agree with you that it'd be a little overboard... But don't you wanna see some nasty eyes sasuke..be honest...i don't wanna see the same thing i've been seeing since Nagato...

[Sir Michael]

Yet again, another great theory.

However regarding how it looks. I think it will be some sort of Sharingan+Rinnegan mix. And won't be a EMS and Rinnegan combination.

Let's think of names.

Basugan
Terugan
Iwagan
Dusogan

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Sir Michael

Yet again, another great theory.

However regarding how it looks. I think it will be some sort of Sharingan+Rinnegan mix. And won't be a EMS and Rinnegan combination.

Let's think of names.

Basugan
Terugan
Iwagan
Dusogan

lol...that too is even more likely... Look at something here!

based off of what you're suggesting...i will edit my post...another idea just struck me... kinda far-fetch but with some "some-what evidence"

[Sir Michael]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

lol...that too is even more likely... Look at something here!

based off of what you're suggesting...i will edit my post...another idea just struck me... kinda far-fetch but with some "some-what evidence"

I love "some-what evidence".

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

but sir...you of all ppl should know i do my research very well... Yes... madara had to switch back and forth...

chp 588 page 8... before this page madara was fighting the Kage's with the rinnegan for over 5 chapters... But when he had to use genjutsu on Raikage, he switched from his current Rinnegan to the EMS... and Raikage fell for it...

the fact that he had to switch is a draw back...a little... that's all i'm saying

Well, didn't we all think sasuke's MS was tooooo complicated to incorporate itachi's MS into it... kishi did it... to place that over a rinnegan is no big deal though I agree with you that it'd be a little overboard... But don't you wanna see some nasty eyes sasuke..be honest...i don't wanna see the same thing i've been seeing since Nagato...

The Madara who used the genjutsu on Raikage was a clone so I don't think it counts. Madara was also shown with Rinnegan active as he was using Sharingan techs (Susano'o).

[Sir Michael]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

The Madara who used the genjutsu on Raikage was a clone so I don't think it counts. Madara was also shown with Rinnegan active as he was using Sharingan techs (Susano'o).

True, that is a flaw in Kal's Theory. However it was never confirmed that the Susanoo needed to be used by the Sharingan. Since the Rinnegan is a step up from the Sharingan it could be possible he can use the Susanoo while he's using only his Rinnegan.

[kalmeast]

I knew you were going to say something like that... "it's a clone"...

well, the clone only lives to copy what the original does...
If the original can use Rinnegan, the clone should also be able to...
if the original can use EMS, so should the clone..
If the original can use susanoo, so do the clones...
if the original can use Mokouton, so do the clone...
so if the clone has to switch back to EMS to use genjutsu, that's because that's what the original would do... This is deductive and fair argument!...

It's like someone who first sees naruto's clone doing rasengan with a second clone...then the person argues that, it couldn't do the rasengan with one hand because it was a clone... NO... It couldn't because the ORIGINAL can't do Rasengan with one hand...

Anyways...as for the Susanoo being used with Rinnegan eyes?... it's a question i've wondered... but we know although tobi has rinnegan, there's no way he could activate susanoo... but for madara to active it the first time, he used EMS! not Rinnegan... that's still unclear...

[Sir Michael]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

I knew you were going to say something like that... "it's a clone"...

well, the clone only lives to copy what the original does...
If the original can use Rinnegan, the clone should also be able to...
if the original can use EMS, so should the clone..
If the original can use susanoo, so do the clones...
if the original can use Mokouton, so do the clone...
so if the clone has to switch back to EMS to use genjutsu, that's because that's what the original would do... This is deductive and fair argument!...

It's like someone who first sees naruto's clone doing rasengan with a second clone...then the person argues that, it couldn't do the rasengan with one hand because it was a clone... NO... It couldn't because the ORIGINAL can't do Rasengan with one hand...

Anyways...as for the Susanoo being used with Rinnegan eyes?... it's a question i've wondered... but we know although tobi has rinnegan, there's no way he could activate susanoo... but for madara to active it the first time, he used EMS! not Rinnegan... that's still unclear...

Like the edit, it seems more logical.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

I knew you were going to say something like that... "it's a clone"...

well, the clone only lives to copy what the original does...
If the original can use Rinnegan, the clone should also be able to...
if the original can use EMS, so should the clone..
If the original can use susanoo, so do the clones...
if the original can use Mokouton, so do the clone...
so if the clone has to switch back to EMS to use genjutsu, that's because that's what the original would do... This is deductive and fair argument!...

It's like someone who first sees naruto's clone doing rasengan with a second clone...then the person argues that, it couldn't do the rasengan with one hand because it was a clone... NO... It couldn't because the ORIGINAL can't do Rasengan with one hand...

Anyways...as for the Susanoo being used with Rinnegan eyes?... it's a question i've wondered... but we know although tobi has rinnegan, there's no way he could activate susanoo... but for madara to active it the first time, he used EMS! not Rinnegan... that's still unclear...

I know, and I agree, but iirc the clones weren't shown starting with Rinnegan. As they grew out of his body their eyes were closed.

[Sir Michael]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

I know, and I agree, but iirc the clones weren't shown starting with Rinnegan. As they grew out of his body their eyes were closed.

Never noticed that. Harhar.

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

I know, and I agree, but iirc the clones weren't shown starting with Rinnegan. As they grew out of his body their eyes were closed.

are you saying since they were clones, they didn't have the rinnegan?

... look at chp 577 pg 4-6... that madara tsunade thought she had crushed was a clone and it clearly had the rinnegan...

that's when the real one came out from the earth and pierced her with susanoo sword

[DrKage]

Didn't he use Susannoo while using his Rinnegan eyes?

[Maruko]

You mean Izuna's eye which is being used by Madara (Now Obito)? :P

I don't think so...Madara's been using Susano'o with Rinnegan, and Susano'o is an MS jutsu.
It is said that Rinnegan is able to bring forth any jutsu, so what stops him from using, let's say, Amaterasu with Rinnegan?

1 tomoe
2 tomoe
3 tomoe

MS = 3 tomoe + a special jutsu/s
EMS = 3 tomoe+ special jutsu/s + eternal sight
Rinnegan = 3 tome+ special jutsu+ eternal sight+Rinne Jutsus (Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, Banshou Ten'in, Six Paths(kuchiyose, chakra absorb etc), Rinne Tensei) + every chakra release +the ability to summon Juubi's burial statue.

What would EMS imprint do? Nothing.
Nagato couldn't use those because he wasn't the original owner.
Madara can.

PS
The boy with power in eyes is probably Sasuke, but Nagato could've been that guy, too.
Rinnegan is the greatest power of one's eye, and Naruto fought it.

[Drake_Stephens]

What if Kishi did a huge twist on us and made Sasuke the new So6P? lol Give him the 6 tomoe Rinn, then after Naruto beats the Jubbi and Obito, Sasuke fights Madara for the title of greatest Uchiha. Then while every watches Sasuke and Naruto fight. (fight ends in draw, like normal)

[SilentBlade]

I er have an interesting theory on that Kalmeast lol! its quite funny that we would both actually be considering the same thing at the same time But I do agree with you to an extent!

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Maruko

You mean Izuna's eye which is being used by Madara (Now Obito)? :P

I don't think so...Madara's been using Susano'o with Rinnegan, and Susano'o is an MS jutsu.
It is said that Rinnegan is able to bring forth any jutsu, so what stops him from using, let's say, Amaterasu with Rinnegan?

1 tomoe
2 tomoe
3 tomoe

MS = 3 tomoe + a special jutsu/s
EMS = 3 tomoe+ special jutsu/s + eternal sight
Rinnegan = 3 tome+ special jutsu+ eternal sight+Rinne Jutsus (Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, Banshou Ten'in, Six Paths(kuchiyose, chakra absorb etc), Rinne Tensei) + every chakra release +the ability to summon Juubi's burial statue.

What would EMS imprint do? Nothing.
Nagato couldn't use those because he wasn't the original owner.
Madara can.

PS
The boy with power in eyes is probably Sasuke, but Nagato could've been that guy, too.
Rinnegan is the greatest power of one's eye, and Naruto fought it.

This isn't true at all... the prophecy of Naruto fighting someone with power in his eyes was given 40 chps after He defeated Nagato... check chp 489 pg 12-13... lol...i do my research very well

I believe that perhaps Rinnegan is able to use Susanoo because the user has EMS and Plus SUSANOO IS A NINJUTSU... The rinnegan cannot use genjutsu that's why Madara had to switch back to EMS to use genjutsu on Raikage...this evident is clear in chp 588 pg 8... are you going to discount this fact?

Yes i can agree the rinnegan maybe able to wield some MS abilities like susanoo but genjutsu is completely out of the Rinnegan's reach...

If Madara's was perfect...why didn't Kabuto use him to discover the truth behind ninjutsu (he said he got closer to discovering the power of the So6P when he summoned madara remember)...Why'd Kabuto tell Tobi he needed sasuke ( a live, young, Uchiha)... Because Sasuke's would bring him even closer to discovering the sages ability than Madara did!

Originally Posted by Drake_Stephens

What if Kishi did a huge twist on us and made Sasuke the new So6P? lol Give him the 6 tomoe Rinn, then after Naruto beats the Jubbi and Obito, Sasuke fights Madara for the title of greatest Uchiha. Then while every watches Sasuke and Naruto fight. (fight ends in draw, like normal)

you're too late my dear I already made a theory on that many months ago
that sasuke vs naruto will be the opposite of the sage and the Juubi...this time the juubi (naruto) would be the good guy and the sage (sasuke) would be the bad guy lol...
I applaud you...it's a very fine idea that I myself have an affection for...
let me pull that thread out in a sec!

Originally Posted by SilentBlade

I er have an interesting theory on that Kalmeast lol! its quite funny that we would both actually be considering the same thing at the same time But I do agree with you to an extent!

Hey...i wanna here it...

[SilentBlade]

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125375

its a bit of a big puppy, so I didn't want to post it all here! When I finished it, I saw your thread and I laughed because it was obvious we were both thinking about the same continuity issue lol.

[Rouge Uchiha18]

Im kinda on the same level thinking as you kalmeast but not about the sharingan part though. I was thinking that madara did not have his full powers as well. And the juubi dont either. Madara would not have his full powers either if the jubbi didnt,so madara is linked to the getto mazo to keep him alive. That means they might have the same powers. Just a theory. And when the juubi has full power again so will madara.