Kisame vs SM-Naruto

[PrinceofPeace]

Location/Distance=Same as Naruto vs Nagato
No Prep
OOC

Kisame
-all anime/manga feats
-has samehada
-manga knowledge (lets assume he has all since he worked with akasuki)

Naruto
-manga feats
-no summoning Ma and Pa
-No CONTROLLED Kurama (its still evil)
-manga knowledge
-Naruto can only go into SM as many times as he fought Pain before Kyubi entered
-No Kyubi (unless you dont think he can win without it. But elaborate)

[Shisko Shi]

I say Naruto had this, He beat Pain, who I believe to be way better then Kisame. But My reason is beause Naruto can keep getting Natural Energy. Kisami can Absorb it, but don't you have to know how to hand Natural Chakra before? Look at the Pain Path that absorbs chakura. He turned to stone. Plus he is fast stronger and more agile.

[PrinceofPeace]

A>B>C logic does not help here
and Kisame knows not to absorb his chakra directly at least

I say Water Dome takes care of this battle. Naruto will drown and will be forced to summon Gama which is bassically an all-you-can-eat buffet for Kisame

[Shisko Shi]

How will this so called A>B>C logic not work? you asked so I told. THat is facts that are there I used and said for this fight. You asked who I thought so there you go. As For Watter dome. He summons a butt load of Clones and make a ladder to swing him out. He did it before.

[PrinceofPeace]

Naruto is under different conditions so it is not the same thus A>B>C logic fails

And you think Kisame is going to stand there while he makes clones?? Kisame would summon sharks to charge at him and the clones and chase after them so that the water dome moves. Kisame can more faster than Naruto can makes clones to use to escape

[Shisko Shi]

Once again explain the A>B>C logicyou are saying. Minus the absorbing Naturel Chakura fail when it turns untrained into stone. Yea that actully doen't fail.

And Naruto still as some time plus he is once again faster stronger. All he has to do is swim up. Kisame is the center and the Dome can go left and right but not up. He can once again summon clones before it is complete and even after. Use one to make a Rasaingon Shurringcan, then they make the ladder to get to the top.

[PrinceofPeace]

but Naruto beat Pain with Kyubbi chakra... which he does not have in some cases. So AGAIN A>B>C logic does not work

You think SM naruto is faster in water than Kisame???

who knows it could go up?? but again you think Kisame will stand there?? He would send sharks

[Shisko Shi]

1) He beat him in sage mode. He lost control for a bit, but he won in Sage. He beat the DEVA path by learning the 5 second thing. So your logic is actully wrong. He beat 99% of the fight beating them in Sage.

2) Naruto faster in water then Kisame? Never said that. I said he himself is faster. You are only has fast are you are in water dependig on training and muscle and swimming style.

3) No but he is always the center, he can send sharks but again clones > Rasangon Shurringcan and others. He could also stop them like he stoped the others.
Sharks are not unbeatale.

[PrinceofPeace]

1-so your gonna ignore the part where SM Naruto was pined down by rods and had to go 6tails to escape. the point is Naruto WOULD NOT HAVE WON... just in SM

2-true. In base Naruto faster in water Kisame faster

3-Rasangon Shurringcan??whats that???
And Great Water Shark would be harder to beat

[Uchiha Sora]

Water dome and samehada are suicide as Kisame would get turned into a toad.

Although he can still absorb jutsu.

[Shisko Shi]

Rasengon Shurinkin is what I tried to type.

and you realis Naruto was also in shock Pops dying and that threw him off. A straigh up fight is diffrent. look at the latest Manag. How he reacted to you know who.

[PrinceofPeace]

Kisame knows not to so that though US

So you r saying current SM only naruto could beat pain when SM only naruto could not do it before??? SM naruto has not gotten any stronger


Anyway can we drop that. Make ur own thread if you want to discuss it. Just forget it and let's just focus on kisame vs naruto please. Tell of a strategy and not just off of hype

[Shisko Shi]

Dude I am, it is used as an example. to show how my logic you saw A>B>C is wrong when I am proving. the point it he could beat him, so there is no reason for this. Plus he wont set that off right away. One touch and boom Naruto wins. Kisame is a new toad statue ornament to put on the lon

and don't tell me to make a thread when I am explaining something. They way you aid it is kinda rude.

[PrinceofPeace]

Okay I will make the thread

But why would kisame absorb his chakra when he knows that would happen?

[Shisko Shi]

How would he know? he could hold him liek he did Killer then focus. Also he dosn't know how Naturel chakra works, because he never trained it nor fought it.

[PrinceofPeace]

In the OP i gave Kisame knowledge. Kisame would know not to anyway since akasuki shares info

[Dragon Style]

hmm, I'm not sure maybe Kisame, but I'll have to think about it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Plus unlike Preta path Samehada can sense Chakra and Samehada knows what it likes and what it does not

[Hyugga101]

I think the Samehada will like him since he liked killer bees

[PrinceofPeace]

yeah just like how Samehada knew before it tasted Bee's chakra that it would not want it it would sense the natural energy and not want it