Naruto vs Avatar: The Last Airbender

[Bradley]

The Naruto universe in general is stronger and faster than the Avatar universe.

Winners in bold:

Originally Posted by Ninja of Cao

Spoiler:

1. Naruto Uzumaki vs Aang
2. Sasuke Uchiha vs Zuko
3. Sakura Haruno vs Katara
4. Gaara vs Toph Beifong
5. Kakashi Hatake vs Iroh
6. Pain vs Ozai
7. Itachi Uchiha vs Azula
8. Hiruzen Sarutobi vs Bumi
9. Jiraiya vs Jeong Jeong
10. Hinata Hyuga vs Ty Lee
11. Tenten vs Mai
12. Temari vs Suki
13. Orochimaru vs Zhao
14. Mei Terumi vs Pakku
15. Kisame Hoshigaki vs Hama
16. Kimimaro Kaguya vs Jet

[Devils Lawyer]

Sakura can solo the entire verse.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Dai Lee seemed to be above Average fodder.

So no blitz in a close quarter scenario? This fight seems to be more dependent on location and especially distance.

Yet as a genin she had superior speed and reflexes compared to an average bender.

Yet Naruto fodder killed them.

They are part of the earth kingdoms army they are as much fodder as the anbu are.

Even if the narutoverse is naturally faster that doesnt go for featless fodder.

Yeah .... show what speed pts sakura has ever shown that proves she above avatar fodder. You are simply powerscaling of mid-tiers shinobi to determine fodder speed but thats not how it works.

Its like saying that hanataro from bleach could blitz A just because its a faster verse in general which is very wrong.

Plot again. Why didnt every zetsu simply touch tobi , copy his powers and troll/murk the entire army because plot.

[Devils Lawyer]

Sakura reacted to Sasori's attacks on her own in the end. She is way faster in the avatar verse. Also considering to random jonin was sent to the village and was capable of keeping up with base Naruto speed shows you the general level of speed in the verse. Young Kakashi and Obito had the fight of their lives against one random jonin. Avatar is straight up outclassed physically so rape.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

Plot again. Why didnt every zetsu simply touch tobi , copy his powers and troll/murk the entire army because plot.

Because Zetsu can't do that. Zetsu using other people's jutsu was only done in the anime.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Sakura reacted to Sasori's attacks on her own in the end. She is way faster in the avatar verse. Also considering to random jonin was sent to the village and was capable of keeping up with base Naruto speed shows you the general level of speed in the verse. Young Kakashi and Obito had the fight of their lives against one random jonin. Avatar is straight up outclassed physically so rape.

We are talking about genin(in other words pts sakura)

Age difference try fighting a 14 year old while your 8. Without the age difference obito and kakashi would rape.

Base naruto is not a speedster, also which random jonin exactly?

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Because Zetsu can't do that. Zetsu using other people's jutsu was only done in the anime.

He did with both kisame and itachi (vs naruto and vs bee). And zetsu still could have spore spammed but yet again plot.

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

We are talking about genin(in other words pts sakura)

Age difference try fighting a 14 year old while your 8. Without the age difference obito and kakashi would rape.

Base naruto is not a speedster, also which random jonin exactly?



He did with both kisame and itachi (vs naruto and vs bee). And zetsu still could have spore spammed but yet again plot.

No, no, no. That was Pain's jutsu-Zetsu just ate the bodies. As for Killer Bee, he transformed to look like Kisame, but he never used a single jutsu. He made it look like he was going to, but was decapitated by A and B before he did anything.

Yeah, nothing against spore spam-maybe only the original could use it or the shinobi had already developed a counter after seeing it once,

[Uchiha Sora]

@BMC The Army fodder>>>>>>>>>>PTS Sakura so Idk why you brought her into this

There aren't any Genin in the war, barring naruto because he's a Jinchuuriki

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

We are talking about genin(in other words pts sakura)

She would still be faster than the avatar verse in general. Genin still have a strength and speed level above Avatar in general. The equalist prove that you don't even need to be a bender to be strong in the verse.

[Noctis Arashi]

Juubi currently ruins their lives.

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

We are talking about genin(in other words pts sakura)

Age difference try fighting a 14 year old while your 8. Without the age difference obito and kakashi would rape.

Base naruto is not a speedster, also which random jonin exactly?


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Didn't notice you edited this. As I said Sakura even pts Sakura would be a dominate fighter in Avatar. Capable of throwing knives football fiel lengths, speed above any normal human, and above human reflexes. As long as the Avatar stay grounded and relatively normal they get smashed by even her.

Not really age doesn't matter at all in Naruto. Kakashi was promoted to jonin that speaks volume about his skill within the village. That jonin handled both of them.

Base Naruto reacted to Kakashi straight up at the start of part 2. He even got the drop. Their is a mile long list of other feats like that. Bee's dicples technically aren't known or impressive jonin at all yet they were on par with him.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

@BMC The Army fodder>>>>>>>>>>PTS Sakura so Idk why you brought her into this

There aren't any Genin in the war, barring naruto because he's a Jinchuuriki

I didnt , zigzag brought her up.

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

She would still be faster than the avatar verse in general. Genin still have a strength and speed level above Avatar in general. The equalist prove that you don't even need to be a bender to be strong in the verse.

An equalist chiblocker is basicly neji without kaiten which still can take out lots of genin and chunin and maybe some featless jonin.

If all genin are so obviously superhuman just prove it. Except for their personal powers theyre barely peak human.(which is generous).

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Didn't notice you edited this. As I said Sakura even pts Sakura would be a dominate fighter in Avatar. Capable of throwing knives football fiel lengths, speed above any normal human, and above human reflexes. As long as the Avatar stay grounded and relatively normal they get smashed by even her.

Not really age doesn't matter at all in Naruto. Kakashi was promoted to jonin that speaks volume about his skill within the village. That jonin handled both of them.

Base Naruto reacted to Kakashi straight up at the start of part 2. He even got the drop. Their is a mile long list of other feats like that. Bee's dicples technically aren't known or impressive jonin at all yet they were on par with him.

I didnt really edit anything, when i do its usually to correct some spelling errors and such but the post should be the same.
Anyway (pts)sakura would get her face burnt of by fire nation fodder.

Where did these 'throwing knives football field lenghts' feats come from and speed beyond any normal human? sure jonins ok believable(still have doubts about that) but mere genin?Really a page or 2 wouldnt hurt your case.

I wouldnt have such a hard time believing you if you would actually support your claims.

Same rank , different age , lower age gets manhandled. Sounds like age did matter.


Maybe i have a wrong impression of the general speed of the narutoverse but all below top tiers simply dont seem that fast at all. (atleast in combat)
Some examples of these superhuman (fodder)genin psysical feats would help.

[Sir Michael]

Wow seriously?

I think they're tied.

[cnorwood]

almost any named character would probably solo on their own due to strength and speed advantage. Avatar is a good show, but its not that powerful. The most powerful characters have peak human stats outside of their bending, Naruto on the other hand has tons of super humans and on top of being a super human they have jutsus that make them more powerful.

Originally Posted by mirai colorles

this is what i was looking for, a response. it is also the response i somewhat expected from you, that is a response featuring "mach this, bust that", based on some sort of calculation apparently. first of all you can not go about calculating manga/comics (unless you want to calculate everything, literally everything...and see where that gets you. hint: you'll make a mockery out of you entire method)...but second of all you claim "island busting" as if AOE is an "end all". now AOE is fine and all, but you are aware that characters battle with attacks that may not cause any collateral damage, but are far more lethal and/or powerful than the AOE attacks they spew? in other words, just because character A may be far more potent with AOE attacks, does not mean that said character A is more lethal and/or powerful in combat than character B. but i'l use Bleach for example: take dangai ichigo. now you are familiar with his sword slashesh, and his mugetsu? now surely you would'nt attempt to gauge the attack potency and/or lethality of mugetsu via AOE collateral damage now would you? the same thins in Dragon Ball, where surely you would not attempt to gauge the attack potency and/or lethality of mirai trunks's sword slashesh via AOE colateral damage now would you? actually a better example would be trunks's burning attack; in AOE it hardly damaged a boulder...so going by your method, that would make it a "boulder buster"? of course not. it is a compressed attack, and thus is not designed to cause AOE damage; it is designed to compress energy efficiently into the ki blast and take out the enemy and only the enemy, while causing minimal (if any) collateral damage. and needless to say both of these attacks were lethal to frieza. just a few examples of many where going strictly by AOE would mislead you dearly

Naruto Shoots a biju ball, or a continuous biju ball and all the avatar characters die there is nothing they can do to survive.

In universe fights dont mean the same thing for out of universe fights

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

What Cnorwood said

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

They are part of the earth kingdoms army they are as much fodder as the anbu are.

And they are still above the earth kingdom benders. This doesn't disprove what I said.

Heck the best Dai agents were able to counter Aang and Toph for at least a time.

You are simply powerscaling of mid-tiers shinobi to determine fodder speed but thats not how it works.

Still my point that the regular SOund Chunin or Jounin was moving faster than eye to Sakura's perception.
So even if you want to claim PTS Sakura's was regular human. The regular bender will still get blitzed at close quarters by the same Sound fodder chunin or jounin.

But since you insist, lets do the reverse. What makes you believe they can react at least close quarters?

Its like saying that hanataro from bleach could blitz A just because its a faster verse in general which is very wrong.

Of course its wrong but thats not what I am saying. Granted this is when people compare speed feats although its subjective to a major degree. But at least I can support A has shown more impressive speed than Hanataro but in the end. You accept it or not.

All I am saying is this.
PTS Sakura has shown better stuff than a regular fodder bender has ever done in the speed department. That fact actually stands and be backed up.

Plot again. Why didnt every zetsu simply touch tobi , copy his powers and troll/murk the entire army because plot.

Everything is plot same with the show. The point is that you cannot dispute is that NAruto fodder can be a little impressive if given the chance and that they could fight with the White Zetsu who were known to be quite durable themselves.

Base naruto is not a speedster

That's relative. In Avatar standards oh heck he is.

Originally Posted by BMC1994

An equalist chiblocker is basicly neji without kaiten which still can take out lots of genin and chunin

An equalist chi blocker lacks Neji's reflexes and movement speed and his strength.

Are you declaring now that an equalist chi blocker with kaiten can take on Kidomaru? No he gets destroyed with impunity.

and maybe some featless jonin.

2 special jounin named but still fodder forced the Sound 4 go to CS2 mode to defeat them.

If all genin are so obviously superhuman just prove it. Except for their personal powers theyre barely peak human.(which is generous).

They leap through trees long periods of time. Thats above "our definition" of peak human.

Also PTS Sakura threw a kunai that pinned Naruto to a giant tree trunk from far away. That requires much strength and precisions and speed above "peak human".

but all below top tiers simply dont seem that fast at all. (atleast in combat)
Some examples of these superhuman (fodder)genin psysical feats would help.

Even the Dosu squad was zipping about in a blur before they attacked Kabuto.

Also regular Jounin ninjas such as Hayate technically moved faster than Neji could attack Hinata.

[mirai colorles]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

almost any named character would probably solo on their own due to strength and speed advantage. Avatar is a good show, but its not that powerful. The most powerful characters have peak human stats outside of their bending, Naruto on the other hand has tons of super humans and on top of being a super human they have jutsus that make them more powerful.




Naruto Shoots a biju ball, or a continuous biju ball and all the avatar characters die there is nothing they can do to survive.

In universe fights dont mean the same thing for out of universe fights

everything i was saying applies more so than anything to multi-versal conflicts. i really don't care to defend Avatar here, as im not knowledgeable about the source to do so anyways. nonetheless i have gotten the responses out of you that were expected

but anyways lets talk about said biju ball; now biju ball has a large AOE, far larger than the majority of compressed ki attacks in Dragon Ball for that matter...for instance trunks's burning attack which via AOE did not even destroy a boulder. now going strictly by AOE, does that mean that naruto can defeat mirai trunks? well going just by "busting" as posters like to say these days, and how posters seemingly like to debate, than people could come to that conclusion, granted trunks is faster in combat, but the example stands. you cannot use strictly AOE as a means of discussing things in a mutli-versal setting, and you cant simply state things like "character A is a continent buster while character B is a mountain buster, therefor character A automatically wins" or "character A is mach 20 while character B is mach 8, therefor character A speedblitzes"...this is cheating the canon sources. you have to examine and compare, source for source, the characters at hand, in context

but just for the record, you do agree that a character with substantially greater capacity for AOE attacks, does not automatically defeat a character with far less capacity for AOE? of course you do. far too often do i see posts on a myriad of sites like "character A is a planet buster, character B is not a planet buster, character A wins"...thats all fine an dandy, but its not enough. comparing the characters source for source is the only honest way to go about these things. now will any given planet busting character defeat any given non planet busting character? sometimes. but this depends on a character to character basis. so quit attempting to cop out of honest debate, and this is not a shot just a you cnorwood, but at anybody that debates dishonestly with these terms, stats and brackets ("bust this, bust that, lift this, lift that, class this, class that, mach this, mach that, ect") as if they are some sort of "end all". enough is enough

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Sakura can solo the entire verse.

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At the very least, Aang drops a mountain on her. GG Sakura.

[cnorwood]

Aang drops a mountain? can you please tell me one episode where he did anything close to that?

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

Aang drops a mountain? can you please tell me one episode where he did anything close to that?

In the episode "The Avatar State", Roku explains to Aang that the Avatar State gives him the skills and knowledge of all the past Avatars, and focuses their energy through his body. Essentially, when in the Avatar State, Aang should be able to do any bending move that a past Avatar did. And Avatar Kyoshi was shown in a flashback in the episode "Avatar Day" to have separated her home island (with several mountains on it) from the mainland and pushed it out to sea. Aang should be able to use such power to move small mountains; he doesn't usually need that much power in the series, so we don't see him use it often. There is this feat from the comics though:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/BlackRose108/Full%20Promise%203%20scans/page60-61.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc236/BlackRose108/Full%20Promise%203%20scans/page62-63.jpg
But that's' a moot point, because I realized this is the whole Avatar universe, and since Jet was listed, that includes dead characters (technically most of the characters are dead by the time of Korra...). So yeah, all the Avatars would bury Sakura under several mountains.