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Old 01-25-2013, 10:39 AM   #101
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Hinata held her own against Neji despite having a complete mental breakdown right before the fight. At the time she lost not due to being inferior in taijutsu but because Neji was better at blocking chakra than her which won't be a problem with Sakura.
Neji didn't even go all out. His speed was clearly on another level considering he was capable of going against a kyuubi Naruto. That form of Naruto was capable of manhandling Haku. Sakura has evasive skills.

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After her chakra was blocked she couldn't do anything.
Neji didn't even get a scratch not a good example.

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That doesn't mean she can counter it if Sakura moves in close range Hinata speed sucks. Probably barely a step above Ino if above Ino at all.

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Sakura can't heal or use her chakra strength with her chakra flow blocked by slight grazes
You have to seal the network completely to stop chakra flow. Naruto and Hinat proves this fact.
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Air palm does what tickle I agree.
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It was nto that she was inferior or weak it is that Neji was a year older and had more experience/determination
Did you forget the flashback where hinata was compared to her 5 year old sister. At that point in time she was weak even by the standards of people her age.

@Sora.

Neji wasnt even serious other wise he wouldve kaiten'd her ass out of the arena .

Blocked or not blocked there was no chance hinata would win that fight. And she didnt hold her own. Hiantas was coughing blood looking roughed up etc while neji looked the same as before the match started. Again thats not my definition of holding your own.
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Poison tags and sleeping gas wouldn't work, not when Hinata see's her as an enemy in this fight, that only worked because those people trusted her and were not expecting it. Also, not once in manga has it shown Sakura take anyone down with one hit, her movements are easy to dodge.
Not really a poison laced Kunai just needs a scratch and sleeping gas only needs to be inhaled. It would be different if she could rotate. Also Sakura is only slow compared to who she has been fighting Sasori Jonin (also mass murderer of jonins) and Omoi also a jonin. Considering she could even follow Sasori movement to extent makes Hinata automatically a non threat.

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[B].Not Hinata can't block chakra points as far as we know, but gentle fist style itself damages the chakra network and tears up you internal organs. Sakura has only dodged long ranged moves, she has never dodged at close quarters before and a glacing blow means that the person has not physically touched you so if Sakura does a glaceing blow, it does nothing, but if Hinata does it, her chakra can still get y
Again she has dodged at close quarters that Iron sand Blitz from Sasori was the third Kazekage Puppets fastest attack. She did it on her own without chiyo. Hence flashback then plot induced skill upgrade. Also you fail to realize no one dies automatically against gentle fist it requires consective hits.
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@BMC: Gentle Fist damages the internal organs because they are connected to the chakra pathway system which the Hyuuga's target with their Byakugan so it would be damaged. This could be enough to throw off Sakura's strength since she needs perfect control to use it. 64 palms cuts off all chakra use entirely, it isn't the only Gentle Fist technique that affects the chakra network.

@Devil's Lawyer: You really seem to have this Part II instantly defeats Part I mindset which may work for characters like Naruto and Sasuke, but PTS Neji would still rape nearly all of the Part II characters in a taijutsu battle-his feats against Naruto and Kidomaru are pretty insane. Hinata kept up with him just fine in the beginning of the battle and none of the onlookers could tell that he had blocked her chakra points either-it wasn't Hinata being bad, just Neji being ridiculously good. You also keep spouting on about Sakura reacting to Iron Sand, but the only time she did that without Chiyo's help was against the massive blocks after she had analyzed Sasori's attack patterns- somehow dodging linear moving large objects doesn't seem all that impressive to me. If you want to talk about recent reactions, despite Sakura's "amazing evasion" she had to be saved by Kakashi against Obito's wooden spikes whereas Hinata defended Naruto from them.

Edit: @IWD: Where are you getting the idea that Sakura has amazing healing skills and durability on par with Tsunade? She learned from her-that's it. It's laughable that people are saying you can't give Hinata Neji's feats and they're trying to give Sakura Tsunade's. And good luck healing while be actively engaged by a CQC fighter.
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Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed. Sakura straight up clocked it. That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's. Also a trick is a trick. You can still know when is coming and still get caught. Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.
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Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed. Sakura straight up clocked it. That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's. Also a trick is a trick. You can still know when is coming and still get caught. Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.
Book smarts, that's about it. Thinking she could take out Sasuke with a kunai. lololol

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Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed. Sakura straight up clocked it. That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's. Also a trick is a trick. You can still know when is coming and still get caught. Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.
Really, you're going to go with that... A baseball player can hit a fastball if the pitcher tells them I'm throwing it at this speed and right in this spot. Doesn't mean they can fight against an MMA pro. What makes you think 3rd Kazekage puppet is particularly fast anyway?

Book smarts, that's about it. Thinking she could take out Sasuke with a kunai. lololol
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Yes but it never has been said it damages the chakra network it self. If they just could damage the chakra network beyond repair 64 palms wouldnt such a big deal in the first place.

Examples like naruto who got their chakra but was still able to make full use of the kyuubi chakra which would fail if the chakra system was damaged which it should be because neji manhandled naruto in the beginning of that fight.

Double checked and in the chapter where gentle fist is explained they clearly talk about flowing chakra into the opponents inner system to damage inner organs. They utilise the chakra stream they do not damage it(which would remove the entire basis of gentle fist).

Flowing chakra (through their palms) into your opponents system to dispel genjutsu does not damage the network either.

Hinata failed to protect naruto in time , remember the reason neji died?
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@Devil's Lawyer: You really seem to have this Part II instantly defeats Part I mindset which may work for characters like Naruto and Sasuke, but PTS Neji would still rape nearly all of the Part II characters in a taijutsu battle-his feats against Naruto and Kidomaru are pretty insane. Hinata kept up with him just fine in the beginning of the battle and none of the onlookers could tell that he had blocked her chakra points either-it wasn't Hinata being bad, just Neji being ridiculously good. You also keep spouting on about Sakura reacting to Iron Sand, but the only time she did that without Chiyo's help was against the massive blocks after she had analyzed Sasori's attack patterns- somehow dodging linear moving large objects doesn't seem all that impressive to me. If you want to talk about recent reactions, despite Sakura's "amazing evasion" she had to be saved by Kakashi against Obito's wooden spikes whereas Hinata defended Naruto from them.
First of all you pts Neji standing up to the test of time is proven how? The characters are few times faster than anything in part 1. The art style takes away from that fact. Also proof of Hinata being a good fighter waiting on that one for real. Who has she fought Neji decimated her casually.

Next up chiyo clearly says in chapter 270 pg 8 that Sakura was the one seeing through Sasori's attack patterns. Chiyo was hardly helping. Hence the flashback of Sakura training happening on the next page. That right there is called reading comprehension. Don't just take what you want from the story use it all. Chiyo was hardly controlling Sakura. During Iron sand world Chiyo Panicked because she could move her fast enough Sakura dodged that. Sakura dodge it.

Then you use wooden spikes as a evasion technique. Lol every other fodder is doing that. That goes right up there with zetsu.
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First of all you pts Neji standing up to the test of time is proven how? The characters are few times faster than anything in part 1. The art style takes away from that fact. Also proof of Hinata being a good fighter waiting on that one for real. Who has she fought Neji decimated her casually.

Next up chiyo clearly says in chapter 270 pg 8 that Sakura was the one seeing through Sasori's attack patterns. Chiyo was hardly helping. Hence the flashback of Sakura training happening on the next page. That right there is called reading comprehension. Don't just take what you want from the story use it all. Chiyo was hardly controlling Sakura. During Iron sand world Chiyo Panicked because she could move her fast enough Sakura dodged that. Sakura dodge it.

Then you use wooden spikes as a evasion technique. Lol every other fodder is doing that. That goes right up there with zetsu.
Yeah, she was evading the big blocks that's it. And in case you forgot Sakura was hit by Iron Sand World Order-in multiple places. Yep, every other fodder except Sakura could dodge it-I guess fodder>Sakura. Well Hinata only takes on the big leagues in her fights so she hasn't proven in a lot of cases just what she can do, still did ok against Neji whose taijutsu feats far outclass near everyone else-the only thing you have against it is supposed "speed scaling".

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Yeah, she was evading the big blocks that's it. And in case you forgot Sakura was hit by Iron Sand World Order-in multiple places. Yep, every other fodder except Sakura could dodge it-I guess fodder>Sakura. Well Hinata only takes on the big leagues in her fights so she hasn't proven in a lot of cases just what she can do, still did ok against Neji whose taijutsu feats far outclass near everyone else-the only thing you have against it is supposed "speed scaling".

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Their was a massive amount of spikes the facte she only walked with scratches from Iron sand world order is a testament to how skill she is.

Also you going with a chaotic battlefield for a reference. News for you in a war you can be the most skilled fighter in the world and still get killed. Hence Naruto almost getting hit.

Lol at Hinata fighting in the big leagues comment. Never Knew getting stomped twice by mainstream bosses and taking out Zetsu is the big leagues.

It is not speed scaling it is showing where her relative skill level is. Even before the bell test she clearly did ok against Kakashi. That meant she was overwhelmed by him. Naruto and Sakura had him on the run. He was clearly being pressured. Again Hinata is just a fan favorite.
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Did you forget the flashback where hinata was compared to her 5 year old sister. At that point in time she was weak even by the standards of people her age.
So that was then this is NOW!!!

Sakura was not that good either. She was thinking about boys instead of her tai/nin/genjutsu
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Doesn't matter Sasori still was moving his puppet at full speed.
So? That is a reaction feat not a speed feat. Plus You do not know if it was going at full speed. The iron sand was all over the place so Sasori's puppet could not easily get though thus not going as fast. Sasori knew the posion took effect and Sakrua was a gonner so he was not on his toes
Sakura straight up clocked it.
Sakura straight up fooled her foe
That puppet speed is massively greater than Hinata's.
Prove it. It was a reaction and Sakura had the element of surprise on her side
Also a trick is a trick.
too bad she can not trick Hinata. They have good/needed knowledge on each other
You can still know when is coming and still get caught.
HUH???
Which comes to my next point Sakura's intelligence>>>>Hinata's.
Hinata's battle expereince, taijutusu, stamina, >>>Sakura's

their speed and reactions are practically equall

Even if one was faster than the other its not by much. The speed difference is not sigificant enough for a win for either side
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Hinata's battle expereince, taijutusu, stamina, >>>Sakura's

their speed and reactions are practically equall

Even if one was faster than the other its not by much. The speed difference is not sigificant enough for a win for either side
First part wrong Sakura pushed went against two high class opponents in here life. She even lasted a little bit against the sound trio. That is a way more impressive career record.

Nope fought Kakashi and Sasori. As I pointed out Chiyo even said point blank that Sakura was reading Sasori movements. She only helped at times. Why people can't comprehend this fact is beyond me. There was even a flashback to illustrate this point. Either you are purposely downplaying or straight up you need to learn to read.

Sakura has fought two high level opponents. Kakashi held back only when it came to killing. If she was skilled enough to counter his attacks she would not have been able to keep up. Sakura is straight up the better fighter.
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First part wrong Sakura pushed went against two high class opponents in here life. hinata fought pain that is more impressive than anything Sakura faced
She even lasted a little bit against the sound trio.
they were going easy on her. And she had to be saved. Once again she had to trick her foe who had no knowledge on her to get a hit in.
That is a way more impressive career record.
Hinata has a better record
Hinata vs Neji (TenTen said Lee could take out the sound trio so Neji could as well)
Hinata vs Pain (top teir in akasuki. Stronger than kakashi and Sasori combined)

Nope fought Kakashi and Sasori.
she had help on both. Plus Naruto did most of the fighting with against Kakashi. She was being controlled by Chiyo. Overall she would have not succeded on her own
As I pointed out Chiyo even said point blank that Sakura was reading Sasori movements.
puppet movements and taijutsu are different
She only helped at times.
can we agree that she helped out most of the fight
Why people can't comprehend this fact is beyond me.
cuz sakura would not get passed hikuro without help
There was even a flashback to illustrate this point. Either you are purposely downplaying or straight up you need to learn to read.
ditto bra. Count how many things Sakura did by herself and you will see it is less than with Chiyo's help

Sakura has fought two high level opponents. Kakashi held back only when it came to killing. If she was skilled enough to counter his attacks she would not have been able to keep up.
what did she counter?? It is not plural. She just puched the ground
Sakura is straight up the better fighter.
how?? SHe always has help in her fights.
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First part wrong Sakura pushed went against two high class opponents in here life. She even lasted a little bit against the sound trio. That is a way more impressive career record.

Nope fought Kakashi and Sasori. As I pointed out Chiyo even said point blank that Sakura was reading Sasori movements. She only helped at times. Why people can't comprehend this fact is beyond me. There was even a flashback to illustrate this point. Either you are purposely downplaying or straight up you need to learn to read.

Sakura has fought two high level opponents. Kakashi held back only when it came to killing. If she was skilled enough to counter his attacks she would not have been able to keep up. Sakura is straight up the better fighter.
In both fights with Sasori and Kakahi she had help so you can't use it to attest to her one on one prowess against a taijutsu user such as Hinata. While it is true that she was starting to see through Sasori's movements but also remeber that he kept using the same movements too. If someone constantly uses the same move on you then of course your bound to catch on, as shown in the manga while using the block and triangle he had the same patterns it would not be that hard to figure it out since there was no variation to his pattern.
The thing most people seem to be forgetting is that up until that point she herself did not have to worry about dodging because chiyo did it for her which gave her the time needed to read his movements. Without chiyo there she would not have been able to do this. Next saying she was good against kakshi isn't much since it was naruto and her this says nothing as to how it would have been if it was just her since he still was keeping them both at bay. Which is further proven since they had to resort to using the ending of kakshis book to gain the win which was a plan thought of by naruto not sakura.

Also to the Zetsu dodge as shown in ch 540 pages 7-8 it doesn't show sakura dodge only that she struck zetsu before he struck her.
Next the sakura is fast because she caught the kazekage puppet people seem to forget that she only caught it because it was believed that the poison had paralyzed her not because she was fast. This caught Sasori off guard otherwise she never would have touched that puppet. Also saying that she dodged sasoris new world order sand attack look at chapter 270 page 11 it shows chiyo use her chakra strings to help her.
Sakuras dodging feats are non existent.

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Not really a poison laced Kunai just needs a scratch and sleeping gas only needs to be inhaled. It would be different if she could rotate. Also Sakura is only slow compared to who she has been fighting Sasori Jonin (also mass murderer of jonins) and Omoi also a jonin. Considering she could even follow Sasori movement to extent makes Hinata automatically a non threat.



Again she has dodged at close quarters that Iron sand Blitz from Sasori was the third Kazekage Puppets fastest attack. She did it on her own without chiyo. Hence flashback then plot induced skill upgrade. Also you fail to realize no one dies automatically against gentle fist it requires consective hits.
Actually the gentle fist can kill in one hit, did you not see Hinata's father kill Hinata's kidnapper in one strike?

Sakura would have to be able to cut her first and when it the last time you ever saw anyone other than fodder ninja get hit or cut by a Kunai? also it's pretty simple to hold your breath and stay away from the gas cloud.

Sakura has never dodged at close quarters with someone else doing hand to hand combat, that is totally different from what Sasori did.

Also more proof that people with damage chakra networks can't heal themselves. Naruto's nine tailed chakra always heals him, medical ninjutsu only makes the process faster, that being said. when Naruto tore up the chakra network in his arm, the nine tailed chakra could not heal him because his chakra network was damaged, I forget rather it was Ino, Sakura or Tsunade, but someone had to heal him. When Kabuto severed the chakra network around naruto's heart he would have died because the nine tails chakra could not heal him, Tsunade had to heal him. when Hinata's chakra network had been damaged by Neji, Kabuto had to heal her.

When your chakra network is damaged that someone else always has to heal them and they aren't able to use their chakra properly or sometimes not at all. So if Sakura fought Hinata, the gentle fist (And no I'm not talking about blocking chakra points) Says that they drill chakra into the opponents body, attacking their chakra network and damaging it and since the internal organs are so tightly tied in with the chakra network it tears them up to. So how would Sakura be able to heal or use her strength when her chakra network is damaged....and honestly do you really think she could just brush off damage to her internal organs like it was nothing?....No, just...no..

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Their was a massive amount of spikes the facte she only walked with scratches from Iron sand world order is a testament to how skill she is.

Also you going with a chaotic battlefield for a reference. News for you in a war you can be the most skilled fighter in the world and still get killed. Hence Naruto almost getting hit.


Lol at Hinata fighting in the big leagues comment. Never Knew getting stomped twice by mainstream bosses and taking out Zetsu is the big leagues.

It is not speed scaling it is showing where her relative skill level is. Even before the bell test she clearly did ok against Kakashi. That meant she was overwhelmed by him. Naruto and Sakura had him on the run. He was clearly being pressured. Again Hinata is just a fan favorite.
You destroy your own argument right there. Chiyo is desperately trying to pull Sakura away and she gets cut in a few places, so according to you it's "Sakura's skills in dodging that save her" and not luck, but against the spikes it's apparently just "war is hell, bad luck" that she couldn't dodge on her own. Naruto almost got hit because he was exhausted and couldn't move-don't try to pull that crap.

How was Sakura "doing ok against Kakashi in the first bell test? She never engaged him and got done in by a genjutsu without even seeing Kakashi.

Pain and PTS Neji (at the time the most powerful Genin besides Gaara) are pretty big leagues. Unless you think fighting Pain alone is the same as being guided and protected through most of the fight against Sasori.

Hinata may be a fan favorite, but she would also win against Sakura in a fight. Her whole fighting style is based on skillful manuvering and taijutsu whereas Sakura's is stay out of combat no matter what and hope that the enemy will be intimated by your super-strength so they don't attack you.

@BMC: Read a few pages later-Sakura says "To attack the inner coils system..." It hurts the organs by damaging the coils connected to them-I think it's stated somewhere in a databook too. I'm also inclined to believe that even if it doesn't actually damage the chakra system (which I think it does) I don't think Sakura would be able to maintain her perfect control of sending the chakra at the right balance to her arm when there is a foreign chakra surging through her (for reference Naruto was pinned by the chakra from Pain's chakra rods and Kakashi was thrown off by it as well). Hinata doesn't need to completely shut down Sakura's chakra, just throw it out of whack since she needs precise control to use the strength. Even if not she can dislocate joints and likely as Sora said "heart bust" with Twin Lion Fists since 2 hits from normal gentle fist from Neji to the chest sent Hinata into critical condition and one hit from Hiashi killed the Head Cloud Ninja.

Hinata failed to protect Naruto the second time when Obito used a faster pinpoint attack and no one else on the battlefield, including Neji and Hiashi could block it as well. She protected him earlier from the general spike rain which Sakura couldn't dodge.

Edit: Devil's Lawyer: The reading Sasori's movement you're so fond of bringing up was just watching his fingers to see how he would manipulate the puppet and she only dodged linear moving blocks. This was also after Chiyo had been manuvering her for a while. It would be pretty sad if Sakura couldn't adapt to the situation after all the time she had to watch Sasori while Chiyo was controlling her.
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Hinata does not even need to risk going in close. She just needs to keep her distance and use Air Palms.

Sakura can not dodge forever. Sakura would keep trying to get close and do damage but Sakura would not succeed. The attacks are too hard to see. When has Air Palms ever missed?
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