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Old 01-24-2013, 08:27 PM   #81
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Kabuto's chakra network had not been damaged by the gentle fist so that isn't even a good argument for this. the Gentle fist doesn't need a direct hit, only a glancing blow is required and Sakura is not fast enough to dodge the chakra blast.

I've seen the Hyuuga's fight, they can fight for a very long time without any problems and Sakura's fighting style is so simple that anyone can and has for the most part dodged it, so a fighting style based on defense, evasion and redirection should have no problem.
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Stop mentioning Zetsu likes it's a feat it's trash.

Hinata took it and kept fighting. Naruto took it and kept fighting s.

Your proof of Sakura healing abilities being weaker than Kabuto's? She found and neutralized a complicated poison even a veteran like chiyo couldn't counter.

Bro you are just going in circles. It really is simple Sakura is trash but Hinata is the trash underneath the trash. Hinata has no feats except getting effed up. Sakura is the same but her one fight>Hinata trashy fighting career.
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Kabuto's chakra network had not been damaged by the gentle fist so that isn't even a good argument for this. the Gentle fist doesn't need a direct hit, only a glancing blow is required and Sakura is not fast enough to dodge the chakra blast.

I've seen the Hyuuga's fight, they can fight for a very long time without any problems and Sakura's fighting style is so simple that anyone can and has for the most part dodged it, so a fighting style based on defense, evasion and redirection should have no problem.
He healed Hinata's network not his.

So is Hinata's there is nothing complicated about hinata's fighting style at all.
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Hinata' fighting style says logically that she would win when you compare both of their fighting styles. Sakura is no Naruto so don't even try to compare her to him. and both Hinata and Naruto couldn't use her chakra afterwords. Plus all of the people Hinata fought have always been WAY stonger than the people in Sakura's fight that Sakura would have been owned by so comparing their fighting history doesn't say much.

So then tell me how would Sakura heal herself with her chakra network damaged, Hinata's fighting style is more complicated than Sakura's that's for sure. all you need to know about Sakura's is that if you get hit, it will probably break a bone, but if you dodge it, even by a little you're safe. Hinata's if it hits you, it will bruse your body, damage your chakra network and tear up you internal organs. If you dodge it then you are still at risk of being damaged by glacing blow that didn't even directly touch you now tell me which one sounds more complicated to you?

that's my point, Sakura's healing and strength all come from her chakra, so without it she is boned.
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Hinata' fighting style says logically that she would win when you compare both of their fighting styles. Sakura is no Naruto so don't even try to compare her to him. and both Hinata and Naruto couldn't use her chakra afterwords. Plus all of the people Hinata fought have always been WAY stonger than the people in Sakura's fight that Sakura would have been owned by so comparing their fighting history doesn't say much.

So then tell me how would Sakura heal herself with her chakra network damaged, Hinata's fighting style is more complicated than Sakura's that's for sure. all you need to know about Sakura's is that if you get hit, it will probably break a bone, but if you dodge it, even by a little you're safe. Hinata's if it hits you, it will bruse your body, damage your chakra network and tear up you internal organs. If you dodge it then you are still at risk of being damaged by glacing blow that didn't even directly touch you now tell me which one sounds more complicated to you?

that's my point, Sakura's healing and strength all come from her chakra, so without it she is boned.
Actually it doesn't especially when She has the ability to put Hinata down with one blow. Nor does it help that Hinata is a close range fighter. Also their is an assumption Sakura is limited to just her fist. She also uses poison and sleeping gas.

Hinata doesn't have anything to put Sakura down immediately. She is not Neji she cant close all the receptors down in one attack. Sakura even glances a blow on her she dies. Sakura's evasive skills are also on another level compared to Hinata's attacks. This is essentially a canon vs a slignshot match imo.
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Sakura got owned by Omoi who barley has feats.
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not when one can toss around over twenty tons..and the other is a featless emo chick

also Hotorubi Hyuuga you need to prove to DL Hinata can damage Sakura beyond her formidable skills to repair
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so yeah I rarely enter this section because..well Naruto is absolute garbage but on average how often do you guys have to deal with POP's dozen page refuse to listen and stonewall type threads?

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It's Hinatas win.

With what we have seen from Sakura her feats just don't match up for her to win this fight. Sakura has been shown to have impressive healing but that is only when she has the time to do so. In a fight against someone whose main fighting style is to fight close quarters and the gentle fist at that there is no time.

Now it can be assumed that because she worked under the Hokage that she knows of the byakugan blind spot and even that she knows how to construct traps that it can't see but without proof this is only speculation.

Thanks to Hinatas byakugan and how far she can see with it even if Sakura tries to get away to attempt to heal she'll be found.

Sakuras best and only chance is to dodge Hinatas attacks and then plant one of her own. The only problem is that Sakuras dodging isn't proven very well. Her only dodging feat seems to come from the Sasori fight but as shown in that fight she was only able to most of the battle because of Chiyo. After memorizing Sasoris finger movements to predict his sand, once she knew the pattern she did not try to dodge anymore but instead deflect the sand. Now you go from her dodging “feat” in that fight to the fact that she couldn't dodge Kabutos flying body when blasted back by Naruto. If it is to be believed that she can dodge so well on her own then please explain why she was able to “dodge” Sasori but couldn't dodge a body flying through the air, Her dodging “feat” is not consistent.

Sakura is only given dodging not because she has demonstrated it but because by definition a medical ninja are supposed to dodge. However even the ninja medic who came up with this rule (even though her circumstances are different) even Tsunade doesn't dodge most attacks.

While it can be assumed that Sakuras punch can kill in one punch it has yet to be shown, with the only two people that she has hit in the manga being Sasori and Zetsu neither were killed in one blow. Now sure Sasori was a puppet and she was trying to question Zetsu so you can say that's why she didn't kill in one hit but until it is shown she can kill in one hit this is only an assumption.

On top of all this she hasn't been shown to use tools except for the one explosive tag in the Sasori fight so you can't really say she would use it here and in what way. So she doesn't have any way to attempt to distract Hinatas eye.

Also it can be argued that Hinata has more battle experience than Sakura seeing as she has been fighting most of the war. While it was deemed that Sakura would serve better as a medic than a fighter. While it can be argued that because she was a medic that she should spend her time healing then what of Ino who in truth is not as good as Sakura but a medic all the same was fighting. Now while it can be said that Ino wasn't at Sakuras level so that is why she wasn't made a medic it was also shown that most of the medics there were not of Sakuras level.

Hinata has been shown to take decent amounts of damage where as Sakura has not. The gentle fist style requires the user to have good reflexes and can send chakra into the opponents body to cause damage to internal organs. This means that sakuras straight forward fighting style would get her killed since she is not deceptive during her fights and instead shows you all of what she will do.

In the end the match up in styles is too different while Sakura's attacks can be dodge easily since there is no deception in her style or speed, Hinatas moves don't have to make contactshe would only need a glancing blow to harm Sakura.
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????

How is being hit by Omoi not cannon?

HInata has hit her opponents before without help... Sakura has not. Also Hianta's moevemtns are not as easy to read. Hinata can keep a mid distance and use Air Palms. Plus she does not yell before her strikes.

Sakura's battles support my proof that Sakura has low battling experience. She was alwasy back up (for Naruto and Chiyo) and she could not finish off her foes (Saskue)

If Sakura can only fight short range and if Hinata is a mid range fighter than Sakura is not going to get close up. It does not matter how strong she is especially when their speed is near equal
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I've seen a FILLER (I guess, hear out the details) fight where Sakura fought actually nice:
She pretended to be poisoned or sleeping (?), and when the opponent (a kunoichi) tried to kill her by a kunai into the stomach, it was just a Kawarimi with a log.
And then Sakura PUNCHED her into the ground.
Fine and dandy, but:
1. Not a significant foe (I have no idea who that even was, see above).
2. If we take this, we should also take Hinata getting the magnet dude.
(Um, and Shugohakke, which alone makes Sakura sulk in the corner...)
3. I do think that both examples are FILLER anyways, so we need other examples.

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How is being hit by Omoi not cannon?

It was a low end for one that happened in one scene. They didn't even fight as you pointed out with Naruto.

HInata has hit her opponents before without help... Sakura has not. Also Hianta's moevemtns are not as easy to read. Hinata can keep a mid distance and use Air Palms. Plus she does not yell before her strikes.

Actually Sakura crushed a full blitzing third Kazekage puppet with no help. A full blitzing third Kazekage puppet is a few times faster than Hinata. She also blocked an all out attack from Sasori no help.

Sakura's battles support my proof that Sakura has low battling experience. She was alwasy back up (for Naruto and Chiyo) and she could not finish off her foes (Saskue)

She was back up because her opponents were all high level mass murderers. Hinata was fighting Zetsu.
If Sakura can only fight short range and if Hinata is a mid range fighter than Sakura is not going to get close up. It does not matter how strong she is especially when their speed is near equal

Sakura fist are capable of changing the landscape. Not only that Hinata has nothing to keep Sakura away. Hinata is less likely to hit Sakura first.Even she does she can't even finsih the job. Sakura is faster anyways she just rushes Hinata and smashes her.
Lol I still can't beleive you said that Naruto is weak at using taijutsu.
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Hinata held her own against Neji despite having a complete mental breakdown right before the fight. At the time she lost not due to being inferior in taijutsu but because Neji was better at blocking chakra than her which won't be a problem with Sakura.

After her chakra was blocked she couldn't do anything.

Sakura is only strong when she focuses chakra to her fists, Hinata would even be able to see her do it with Byakugan and predict her attacks easier.

Sakura can't heal or use her chakra strength with her chakra flow blocked by slight grazes

Air palm isn't particularly powerful but it helps Hinata keep Sakura in check.
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Hinata has shown no canon use of 64 palms or any variation of it. So she wont be blocking any chakra. Just internal damage from gentle fist.

And read the fight again she got raped , hard. If hinata wasnt inferior in taijutsu she wouldnt have gotten her chakra blocked in the first place.
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Actually it doesn't especially when She has the ability to put Hinata down with one blow. Nor does it help that Hinata is a close range fighter. Also their is an assumption Sakura is limited to just her fist. She also uses poison and sleeping gas.

Hinata doesn't have anything to put Sakura down immediately. She is not Neji she cant close all the receptors down in one attack. Sakura even glances a blow on her she dies. Sakura's evasive skills are also on another level compared to Hinata's attacks. This is essentially a canon vs a slignshot match imo.
Poison tags and sleeping gas wouldn't work, not when Hinata see's her as an enemy in this fight, that only worked because those people trusted her and were not expecting it. Also, not once in manga has it shown Sakura take anyone down with one hit, her movements are easy to dodge.

Not Hinata can't block chakra points as far as we know, but gentle fist style itself damages the chakra network and tears up you internal organs. Sakura has only dodged long ranged moves, she has never dodged at close quarters before and a glacing blow means that the person has not physically touched you so if Sakura does a glaceing blow, it does nothing, but if Hinata does it, her chakra can still get you.

IWD It's just logic, the gentle fist style description says that it damages your chakra network and tears up your internal organs. Sakura needs chakra to heal and use her strength. not ounce has it been proven that anyone could heal properly with a damaged chakra network or heal their own chakra network, it has always been done, by someone else who's chakra network was completely fine.
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@BMC I did re-read the fight. And what you just said doesn't make sense. Hinata kept up in physical taijutsu but lost because Neji was better at using the gentle fist/blocking chakra. Thing is even if you guard against the gentle fist you still get your chakra blocked.

Also you don't need 64 palms to mess up the chakra network.
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-Zetsu

-Not an english expert but i thought glancing meant slightly touching your opponent. kinda scraping the surface :S , She effectively dodged and countered zetsu.

Not the best feat ever but its still more then hinata has shown.
Also being able to intercept the third kazekage's puppet's attack should make her fast enough to dodge most if not all what hinata can throw at her.

-Wasnt that it damages the internal organs by flowing your chakra into the opponents network i dont think it actually damages / destroys the chakra network.

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How did she keep up again 3 jonin had to interfere to prevent hinata from getting killed. Neji overall is a superior version of hinata. Hinata lost simply because shes a weaker version of neji which cant block chakra.

You do idk if the translation i read was correct but what i read went along the lines of:

-Damaging internal organs through 'flowing' your chakra into opponent chakra network.
-Accelrate, slow down or just completely stop the chakra flow by closing the tenketsu/chakra point.

Where did it say that it inheritly damages the chakra network?
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How did she keep up again 3 jonin had to interfere to prevent hinata from getting killed. Neji overall is a superior version of hinata. Hinata lost simply because shes a weaker version of neji which cant block chakra.

You do idk if the translation i read was correct but i went along the lines of:

-Damaging internal organs through 'flowing' your chakra into opponent chakra network.
-Accelrate, slow down or just completely stop the chakra flow by closing the tenketsu/chakra point.

Where did it say that it inheritly damages the chakra network?
You mean after her chakra was blocked? Kurenai said she was at her limit, she had been coughing up blood and everything. She couldn't even use gentle fist anymore and she could barely stand at that point.

The only deciding blows he landed were after her chakra was blocked and she couldn't do anything.

I'm doubting myself now though because while its likely that Hinata can see chakra points now, its never been stated or proven that she could see them

Using gentle fist logic/scaling, Twin lion fists should be able to bust someone's heart in one shot but its featless so
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Lol I still can't beleive you said that Naruto is weak at using taijutsu.
Again you dont listen your just twisitng my words. Naruto was holding back and was beaten to a plup. He was not going hard.

As for your other points

It was in the manga so its is cannon

but she tricked sasori. How is she going to trick Hinata
Seriously dude Hinata wins with her knowledge of her she is not getting tricked
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And read the fight again she got raped , hard. If hinata wasnt inferior in taijutsu she wouldnt have gotten her chakra blocked in the first place.

It was nto that she was inferior or weak it is that Neji was a year older and had more experience/determination
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