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Old 12-15-2012, 05:29 PM   #1
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Ok..... so Madara and Obito want to bring peace to the world by using infinite
tsukuyomi on everybody. So why start a war? Why not just try to capture 8 and 9 tails quietly as they did with the other bijuu? Why destroy towns with the Juubi if in the end they want to help everyone achieve peace? This doesn't make sense to me, unless their plan is just for their own pleasure..
And obito really looks like he'll switch sides soon. He's not happy with madara's childish play with the Juubi, and he seemed to shut his eyes as the juubi aimed for HQ. He doesn't want to see destruction. He only wants what he first set out to achieve... peace! And he'll certainly see this is not the right way, and end up on naruto's side...
What are your ideas?
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:31 PM   #2
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cuz of rin.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:24 PM   #3
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cuz of rin.
Ok... it could've still been done without this whole war
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you're forgetting the plot. That was Tobito's plan all along but the 5 Countries caught wind of it and banded together, hence the war.
Currently they're being harassed by every living shinobi the 5 countries could muster. They destroyed faraway villages to break their morale. They need to seal the Juubi in Madara before preforming the Infinite Tsukuyomi and that's a bit difficult with 5 nations of shinobi attacking you at the same time

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Old 12-16-2012, 12:30 PM   #5
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In all logic, Tobi wanted to band and drive the Shinobi World into a corner of their "beliefs" and non-logical thinkings and force them to see "reality".

Seeing Naruto as the man who has his will from his old self, he certainly would see his old self in him and want to crush it (Naruto) with logic and 'truth'. By simply starting war, raising the seemingly god-like powers upperhand over the countries with what little faith they have left in their comrades and forces.

In my opinion of what Tobi wanted to achieve through war, was to open the shinobi's eyes to "reality" Madara and he sees.

On the other hand, hunting for the Hacibi and Kyuubi jinchuurikis in the shadows would be too much of a risk since for sure, the jinchuurikis' respective countries will secure their fellow comrades from the Akatsuki. Tobi had to "bring them out", even if it means getting a portion of chakra from them. War was the way to do it.
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you're forgetting the plot. That was Tobito's plan all along but the 5 Countries caught wind of it and banded together, hence the war.
Currently they're being harassed by every living shinobi the 5 countries could muster. They destroyed faraway villages to break their morale. They need to seal the Juubi in Madara before preforming the Infinite Tsukuyomi and that's a bit difficult with 5 nations of shinobi attacking you at the same time
That's a bit backwards. Tobi declared the war, and it wasn't an inevitably open war. He could have done the appropriate ninja thing and ambushed any collective action with his horde of clones, but he tipped them off! Stupid. And without Sasuke's attack, they weren't likely to take their alliance very seriously anyway.

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In all logic, Tobi wanted to band and drive the Shinobi World into a corner of their "beliefs" and non-logical thinkings and force them to see "reality".

Seeing Naruto as the man who has his will from his old self, he certainly would see his old self in him and want to crush it (Naruto) with logic and 'truth'. By simply starting war, raising the seemingly god-like powers upperhand over the countries with what little faith they have left in their comrades and forces.

In my opinion of what Tobi wanted to achieve through war, was to open the shinobi's eyes to "reality" Madara and he sees.

On the other hand, hunting for the Hacibi and Kyuubi jinchuurikis in the shadows would be too much of a risk since for sure, the jinchuurikis' respective countries will secure their fellow comrades from the Akatsuki. Tobi had to "bring them out", even if it means getting a portion of chakra from them. War was the way to do it.
Yes, because the nations had done such a marvelous job of protecting their jinchuuriki up to that point. /sarcasm

Let's get real. This war is just eye candy with no basis in substance at all. I'm not actually annoyed by that in itself. I'm all for extreme explosions that reshape geology. I'm annoyed that Kishi is wasting our time with ridiculous internals (like the stupid premise that a one man global war planned over nearly twenty years is likely to be based on seeking to destroy the thing your loved one cherished most because she died [which applies to Sasuke as well], or repetitive and pointless flashbacks that add nothing, or breaking the story with a way to get around Edo Tensei's limitations, or ... I could go on). Don't dangle the candy then feed us the bitter leavings of your inability to plot coherently.
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There is no point to the war, there really isn't

Kishi just wanted an out, and making a flashy war where he could fanservice everybody except Kisame fans was his godlike idear
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And madara is immature and slightly childish for him war is fun <3
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Ok..... so Madara and Obito want to bring peace to the world by using infinite
tsukuyomi on everybody. So why start a war? Why not just try to capture 8 and 9 tails quietly as they did with the other bijuu?
Actually, it makes no sense to capture the 8 & 9 tails without sealing the 7 bijus first. Akatsuki dont want to have the cloud and leaf villages hunting them at the same time while they were looking for other bijus. Capturing 8 & 9 tails jinks would result the cloud and the leaf forming allies to hunt them down in order to bring their jinks back and sealing bijus required to be done in chronological order hence, 8 & 9 tails should be the last.

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Why destroy towns with the Juubi if in the end they want to help everyone achieve peace? This doesn't make sense to me, unless their plan is just for their own pleasure And obito really looks like he'll switch sides soon...
Initially, destroying town is not part of their plan but this is war. Do you expect them to just stand thenre and do nothing while the alliance attack them. You have to take note that it dont matter if they killed them all because they can bring them all back if mugen tsukuyomi succeeds.

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He's not happy with madara's childish play with the Juubi, and he seemed to shut his eyes as the juubi aimed for HQ. He doesn't want to see destruction. He only wants what he first set out to achieve... peace! And he'll certainly see this is not the right way, and end up on naruto's side...
Tobi, doesnt really want to revive Madara. He wants no part of Madara because he knows that Madara will take full control once he revived him. Tobi is not evil but Madara is. Tobi wants peace though he's trying to achieve it using the wrong way. Madara is different. He just wants power.
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This is a big genjutsu right? OK if so I hope Obito knows that everyone want be the real ones if they are all dead, then hes is basically imagining being with Rin. To which does not make sense to me. Plus every one was brought to gather for the war so everyone is working to ether. say why force peace when it looks like it might happen with Naruto and the fact all the shinobis are working together.
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Ok..... so Madara and Obito want to bring peace to the world by using infinite
tsukuyomi on everybody. So why start a war? Why not just try to capture 8 and 9 tails quietly as they did with the other bijuu? Why destroy towns with the Juubi if in the end they want to help everyone achieve peace? This doesn't make sense to me, unless their plan is just for their own pleasure..
And obito really looks like he'll switch sides soon. He's not happy with madara's childish play with the Juubi, and he seemed to shut his eyes as the juubi aimed for HQ. He doesn't want to see destruction. He only wants what he first set out to achieve... peace! And he'll certainly see this is not the right way, and end up on naruto's side...
What are your ideas?
Plan a was to get Naruto quietly. That is why Itachi and Kisami went in. They failed. Well, Kisame didn't, Itachi called it off. So technically only he failed.

With the summit attack, I think that was really just set-up for Sasuke attacking them. And Tobi, somehow, that it would be no problem for Sasuke and crew to march in there.

Obito essentially started a war by a statement. And I'm assuming this benefited Sasuke for both Sasuke's character development, but for Obiito's plan.

So the best case answer is Sasuke's eye development was more important than risking a war. Of course, maybe Sasuke isn't needed now that Madara is back. Madara hasn't asked if Obito found his sacrificial lamb. Or similar request/statement.

We'll find out.
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