Juubi vs HST

[Uchiha Sora]

I mean, the juubi is being held off by fodder ninja. The top tiers aren't even in the fight right now. With the combined attacks from all the verses there really isn't anything the juubi can do. Hell Law could just split it up if I haven't said that already

[BoxHead]

@JL Yama couldn't solo, even with bankai and Ichigo couldn't slice it in half.

Still Juubi would get get ganked.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by BoxHead

@JL Yama couldn't solo, even with bankai and Ichigo couldn't slice it in half.

Still Juubi would get get ganked.

The dude burns things out of exitence and raises their dead souls to fight for him in his immortal flame army which possibly counts 10 trillion people.

Juubis getting solo'd by yama.

[Nigoyukai]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

The dude burns things out of exitence and raises their dead souls to fight for him in his immortal flame army which possibly counts 10 trillion people.

Juubis getting solo'd by yama.

How is Yama soloing? Almost all of his most powerful techniques in Bankai requires physical contact, something Yama most definitely won't be doing against the Juubi's firepower.
East: Not tagging him. Yama gets BB'ed and one-shotted.
West: What's that gonna do? It's only going to take out the part of the Juubi he's touching. Juubi either smacks him away or he gets BB'ed and one-shotted before he can even approach him.
North: From where? The area that the superheated stream of air took up only a portion of Royd's chest. A very small area compared to the size of the Juubi. The only way he's taking the Juubi down with it is if the Juubi has a vital point in his head or something and Yama somehow hits it, but that's only if he's several meters away from it at an even elevation. And that's assuming if the Juubi's endurance/regen capabilities are anything less than great. The power of North from a significantly higher distance is unknown.
South: Useless. An army of the undead used to do nothing but hold down someone on the level of Royd Llyod isn't going to hinder Juubi one bit. Not to mention that the name of the technique is misinterpretated. It has been shown he can only produce nothing more than a few dozens of those skeletons. The 10 trillion refers to the kanji for the "land of the dead" which the technique resembles or something.

All of the above techniques can be dealed with with a simple "BB before Yama can touch him."

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

I mean whitebeard could quake punch his eye. Don't see how he'll be able to function very well after that

Whitebeard would get finger flicked if the juubi lazy. He gets vaped if it gets pissed.

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

I mean, the juubi is being held off by fodder ninja. The top tiers aren't even in the fight right now. With the combined attacks from all the verses there really isn't anything the juubi can do. Hell Law could just split it up if I haven't said that already

That is actually a feat for the fodder. Together their attacks are actually that powerful. Nevermind plot is holding back the juubi. Op devilfruit users don't even have half those numbers anyways. Nevermind most of the abilities are useless in this type of fight. They have to get up close. Then their is the fact the juubi is faster than most of hst especially his bijuudama. Bleach is a killingfield they get raped hard. In truth their is a handful of abilities that can slow the juubi down. None of them is even guranteed to even kill him. Law attack doesn't kill. He can still fire off a blast.

[Narutonamikaze85]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

I mean, the juubi is being held off by fodder ninja. The top tiers aren't even in the fight right now. With the combined attacks from all the verses there really isn't anything the juubi can do. Hell Law could just split it up if I haven't said that already

That's just PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity). To top it all off, Juubi is not even in control of it's own mind. That's why we don't see Juubi's actual techniques besides Bijuu Dama.

Originally Posted by BMC1994

The dude burns things out of exitence and raises their dead souls to fight for him in his immortal flame army which possibly counts 10 trillion people.


Juubis getting solo'd by yama.

lol no, Yama's bankai is just something Kubo pulled out his ass. Each of the powers it possessed were not even impressive. For example, the 10 trillion undead army, there were not 10 trillion, otherwise the soul society would have been overcrowded. They barely could handle 20,000 lol. Last but not least, the undead army didn't even do anything besides walk lol.

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Whitebeard would get finger flicked if the juubi lazy. He gets vaped if it gets pissed.

That is actually a feat for the fodder. Together their attacks are actually that powerful. Nevermind plot is holding back the juubi. Op devilfruit users don't even have half those numbers anyways. Nevermind most of the abilities are useless in this type of fight. They have to get up close. Then their is the fact the juubi is faster than most of hst especially his bijuudama. Bleach is a killingfield they get raped hard. In truth their is a handful of abilities that can slow the juubi down. None of them is even guranteed to even kill him. Law attack doesn't kill. He can still fire off a blast.

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[cnorwood]

a serious juubi would wreck all 3 verses casually

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by cnorwood

a serious juubi would wreck all 3 verses casually

Would he?
With what speed feats? We've yet to actually see him move...
Also presumably the HST has Riikudo, so why wouldn't he just re-seal the thing in the moon? He did it when the Juubi was in its prime, why not now when its not even halfway?

Also another thing, the ball has a big explosion but it isn't all that big until it actually explodes, much like a bomb or nuke. Juubi flicking it but not tanking the actual explosion just means it can deflect balls of energy, but it doesn't have any actual tanking feats either.

Just a lot of strength feats. How exactly does it survive being put in the moon, how does it attack people whom can redirect the blasts I.E. Minato. Its strongest attack is probably that Bijuu beam, and even that was casually avoided. Since we've yet to see it tank anything of merit, how can we assume it'll survive getting lobbed into bits by Law?

I'm asking now for proof of its speed and tanking. Have you all anything to show?

You should note... 611-13 shows that the Yamanakas + Hyuugas were enough to control its mind to the point where they could direct an attack almost 100m or so off course.

[Ultimate combatant]

I should point out that Rikudo Sennin and the other Jinchuriki and Bijuu are not fighting!!!

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

I should point out that Rikudo Sennin and the other Jinchuriki and Bijuu are not fighting!!!

You wrote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

Juubi vs HST without Bijuu, Jinchuriki, including Rikudo Sennin

Who wins?!!

Which comes out to "Juubi vs HST without Bijuu or Jinchurriki, but including Rikudo."

What you probably meant was "without Bijuu, Jinchuriki, or Rikudo"
Or "Without Bijuu, jinchuriki, and excluding Rikudo".

I apologize for my misreading.

[Narutonamikaze85]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Would he?
With what speed feats? We've yet to actually see him move...
Also presumably the HST has Riikudo, so why wouldn't he just re-seal the thing in the moon? He did it when the Juubi was in its prime, why not now when its not even halfway?

Rikudo Sennin is featless. The fact that it speed blitz Bijuu Mode Naruto says it all.

Also another thing, the ball has a big explosion but it isn't all that big until it actually explodes, much like a bomb or nuke. Juubi flicking it but not tanking the actual explosion just means it can deflect balls of energy, but it doesn't have any actual tanking feats either.

Juubi tanked that Tag Team Country level Bijuu Dama from BM Naruto and Bee.

Just a lot of strength feats. How exactly does it survive being put in the moon, how does it attack people whom can redirect the blasts I.E. Minato. Its strongest attack is probably that Bijuu beam, and even that was casually avoided. Since we've yet to see it tank anything of merit, how can we assume it'll survive getting lobbed into bits by Law?

When has Minato ever shown to redirect blasts on that scale. Lol t Bijuu Beam is not its strongest attack. Its strongest attack for now is what we saw in Chapter 613. It casually blasted island level bijuu damas all around the world while it was still falling back.

Law is really overrated.

I'm asking now for proof of its speed and tanking. Have you all anything to show?

Speed:
Movement Speed: Blitz Bijuu Mode Naruto by crossing a couple KM.
Attack Speed: Bijuu Damas that flew thousands if km while Juubi himself was falling. It basically took around 5-10 seconds. Bijuu Beam crossed at least few hundred meters in 2 seconds.
Tanking: It tanked that island level Bijuu Dama from Naruto and Bee.

You should note... 611-13 shows that the Yamanakas + Hyuugas were enough to control its mind to the point where they could direct an attack almost 100m or so off course.

[/QUOTE]

Ino gained control of Tobi who was in control of Juubi. To top it all off it was in its first stage. In the final form it will have a mind of its own and chapter 614 supports.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

You wrote:



Which comes out to "Juubi vs HST without Bijuu or Jinchurriki, but including Rikudo."

What you probably meant was "without Bijuu, Jinchuriki, or Rikudo"
Or "Without Bijuu, jinchuriki, and excluding Rikudo".

I apologize for my misreading.

Yes, but Rikudo Sennin was a Jinchuriki, so I meant it as Jinchuriki, including Rikudo Sennin as one of them!!!

[Devils Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Would he?
With what speed feats? We've yet to actually see him move...
Also presumably the HST has Riikudo, so why wouldn't he just re-seal the thing in the moon? He did it when the Juubi was in its prime, why not now when its not even halfway?

Yet he is casually reacting to everything in the verse. Non is actually getting a clean hit. Also he launched a highly ballistic shot that traveled thousands in kilometers in no time. Also sealing requires coming in close. Nor do we know how he did it. Then if you include Rikudo prime you have include Juubi prime. Which hast has no chance against?

Also another thing, the ball has a big explosion but it isn't all that big until it actually explodes, much like a bomb or nuke. Juubi flicking it but not tanking the actual explosion just means it can deflect balls of energy, but it doesn't have any actual tanking feats either.

The bijuudama his huge. The shot is from his perspective. Also that energy is capable of vaporizing land structures instantly. Kn6 pproved that along time ago. Just the fact any bijjuu can handle it is a tanking feat. He is casually tanking the combine might of an entire verse and going meh.

Just a lot of strength feats. How exactly does it survive being put in the moon, how does it attack people whom can redirect the blasts I.E. Minato. Its strongest attack is probably that Bijuu beam, and even that was casually avoided. Since we've yet to see it tank anything of merit, how can we assume it'll survive getting lobbed into bits by Law?

Who is going to put him on the moon? The juubi in it's prime created the moon. Minato can redirect that much energy proof. It's strongest attack could be seen from the skyline and engulfed an entire city and the mountains around it. He can actually spam bijuudama so everything happening right now is it being nerfed. How can Law survive getting vaporized?

I'm asking now for proof of its speed and tanking. Have you all anything to show?

The juubi is the human with a magnifying glass and hst is the ants. He fires a blast they all die. Not unless you are saying someone in hst can outrun a blast that is likened to a way more powerful nuke.

You should note... 611-13 shows that the Yamanakas + Hyuugas were enough to control its mind to the point where they could direct an attack almost 100m or so off course.

You should note that it didn't last long at all. Also he still fired the blast and that was before he evolved. Which it will still be doing. He he were to fire the blast he just let off in the last chapter they get dusted off.

[Yami Yuki]

Hasohoku Haki solos.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Yami Yuki

Hasohoku Haki solos.

Juubi Chakra blast solos!!!

[Yami Yuki]

Haki is not affected by a shockwave

It subdues the Juubi into a crying ball of skin and fur.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by Yami Yuki

Haki is not affected by a shockwave

It subdues the Juubi into a crying ball of skin and fur.

It doesn't seem like Haki was enough to defeat every single marine at the Marineford, nor was it enough to take out Whitebeard, nor was it enough to beat Admirals, nor was it enough to beat Ace, nor was it enough to beat Marco, nor was it enough to beat Luffy.

In other words, Haki is good for self enhancement but it doesn't do much against any above weakling level opponent!!!

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Would he?
With what speed feats? We've yet to actually see him move...
Also presumably the HST has Riikudo, so why wouldn't he just re-seal the thing in the moon? He did it when the Juubi was in its prime, why not now when its not even halfway?

Also another thing, the ball has a big explosion but it isn't all that big until it actually explodes, much like a bomb or nuke. Juubi flicking it but not tanking the actual explosion just means it can deflect balls of energy, but it doesn't have any actual tanking feats either.

Just a lot of strength feats. How exactly does it survive being put in the moon, how does it attack people whom can redirect the blasts I.E. Minato. Its strongest attack is probably that Bijuu beam, and even that was casually avoided. Since we've yet to see it tank anything of merit, how can we assume it'll survive getting lobbed into bits by Law?

I'm asking now for proof of its speed and tanking. Have you all anything to show?

You should note... 611-13 shows that the Yamanakas + Hyuugas were enough to control its mind to the point where they could direct an attack almost 100m or so off course.

A serious juubi could just repeatedly shoot biju bombs, Just because a few miss doesnt mean that much for the hst. Continuous Mokuton spikes+ bijubombs =dead hst. Now a cis juubi could loose, especially since fodder ninja could hold him off.

[Devils Lawyer]

People like to say fodder ninja but in fact you are looking at it completely wrong. Individually they are weak. But together they can create a decent level of attacks. They are in fact capable of deflecting physical attacks from the juubi. Teamwork apparently is how they operate. The main characters of the series with abilities are the exceptions.

[Ultimate combatant]

Some of you may say fodder but the fact is that those Shinobi that are actually Jonin are all Jonin level and are skilled individually. Jonin shinobi are way stronger than most characters introduced in Part 1, with the exception of Kage level Shinobi and Elite Jonin level.

Naruto at the beginning of Part 2 was still not Jonin level. Just because they lack feats doesn't mean they are weak!!!