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Old 12-13-2012, 09:22 PM   #21
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Default Re: young obito vs young naruto???

So... does Zetsubito count as Young Obito since he's still technically a kid?
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they never actually said what age they were, but logic dictates that Obito would have been 13 or 14 years old. now he may have been a tall 13 or 14 year old, but the age difference between Kakashi and Naruto is clear and the day that Naruto was born Kakashi would have had to be 13 or 14 therefore making Obito 13 or 14 as well.
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Is it possible obito was older do to that fact that Kkashi graduared earlier then most? if not then never mind.
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Well Kakashi graduated early, but it was said that Kakashi, Obito and Rin were all 13 when Obito died which means that Kakashi would have to have been the same age as Obito.

They say that Obito graduated at 11, but they have a picture of Obito Kakashi and Rin all as 5 year old graduating so that something that Kishi needs to fix and make clear.
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Even if we say just Kamui remember that it was young obito that faced Minato and forced minato to use ftg version 2. That alone puts his skill level far above narutos. And whiel he not have used it to cause damage the intention to cause damage was there and it would still help to get rid of the clones even if it did not damage naruto.
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-Minato was taken by surprise which is why he had to use FTG

(Tobi can not tell the difference between clones so he would have to guess and end u waring a lot of them. WHenever he tries to warp someone away he would be tangiable and open for an attack)

Overall an IC Obito after the traumatizing event would only leave him using
KAUMI (to teleport, warp away stuff, or make himself intaniable)

He only used wood style once
And I can not remeber the last time he used fireball as a kid.


As Always naruto will rush in and kee up the pressure! If Tobi ever wants to warp something away he would be tangibale and open for attack. And if he waps a clone they could hit him in kaumiland when he becomes intaniable
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See, here's the thing. When OP says Young OBito, it's not specified when.

Is he/she talking about Team Minato Obito, or Obito after getting vine Zetsu attached to him?

If the latter, Obito phases and kills Naruto, but if the former, Naruto can easily take him out with a rasengan and/or Gama.
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its the obito when he attacked Minato. Otherwise it would be an easy stomp for Naruto!!

But how would Obito know which one to kill?
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Gama Bunta helps, no?



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Actually as the rules state until the OP states that they are OOC they are still in character, next as shown on ch 146 sasuke was in trouble and that was the only reason he was about to summon but that factor isn't in this match so yes it would still be OOC to summon gama unless you can show otherwise. Also obito would have access to all his abilities since its not said that this is obito before rin dies which means he has MS, has the mental trauma which changed his out look on life and has the zetsu since he had it to fight the mist ninja and the fourth hokage.

Also I can prove that naruto doesn't usually like to summon against smaller opponents
Neji vs Naruto=no gama
Naruto before it was said that choji would face the sound ninja fives jirobou=no gama
Naruto before it was said that neji would face kidomaruo=no gama
Naruto vs kimi=no gama
Naruto vs sasuke=no gama
I'll even go to part two
Naruto vs kakashi at traing field=no gama
Naruto attacking deidera=no gama
Naruto vs itachi clone=no gama
naruto vs kakuzu=no gama
Even in the pain fight when gama was summoned he never ordered gama to attack any of the pains only to use his mouth to blind the one pain.
No. All of these examples have explanations. Someone is almost always in danger in Naruto's fights so saying, "Oh Sasuke was in trouble that explains it" doesn't make any sense. Like I said you have no canon evidence that Naruto dislikes summoning, just that he uses other techniques in battles.

In the Neji fight, maybe he was saving Kuchiyose to surprise opponents in later rounds.

Naruto had his chakra drained against Jirobo so he couldn't perform techniques. Chouji had maintained his chakra thanks to his calorie control.

He didn't have a full fight against Kimimaro. It ended up getting interrupted by Lee.

Naruto wanted to bring Sasuke back with his own hand, thus summoning Gama wouldn't make any sense. That's the only time you have a legitimate motive for saying he wouldn't use a summon. All those other fights had different circumstances.

How would summoning a giant toad in the middle of the battlefield help him get the bells? That fight consisted mainly of stealth with Naruto and Sakura coordinating their attacks to catch Kakashi off guard.

Naruto was enraged and just pounced on Deidara. That wasn't some all out battle. He just started swinging and Deidara had already used a substitution.

Against Itachi he got trolled by genjutsu 5 seconds into the fight.

Against Kakuzu he wanted to use Rasenshuriken for the first time. It'd also be the more effective technique for taking him out, rather than putting Gama's life at risk.

Lol Asking Gama to do something for you in the middle of a fight is called using your summon.

Sooooooooooo None of your examples were really examples.

Anyways like I said, Obito could not CONTROL mangekyo sharingan. His mind unlocked it to save his life. It's like saying 6 year old academy Sasuke could use sharingan just because he unlocked it the night his clan was murdered when he chased down Itachi. When it was obvious that it took years of training for him to figure out how to activate them willingly. Also, Zetsu is an aide. He fused to Obito's body and gave him Mokuton along with enhanced physical abilities. Like I said this is the equivalent of Jiraiya coming over to Naruto and magically giving him Sage Mode.
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(Tobi can not tell the difference between clones so he would have to guess and end u waring a lot of them. WHenever he tries to warp someone away he would be tangiable and open for an attack) Is Naruto fast Enough to hit him then?



As Always naruto will rush in and kee up the pressure! If Tobi ever wants to warp something away he would be tangibale and open for attack. And if he waps a clone they could hit him in kaumiland when he becomes intaniable Is Naruto smart enough to figure that out?
Eh. Chakra Cloak is the only way he'll get through to Obito.
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-You need to read some of Heji's Post. Naruto will not use cloaks cuz of no emotional attachments.
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Naruto does not need to be smart. If Tobi warps one into Kaumiland the clone will obviously see Obito in both lands and would attack

OBITO HAS NO WAY TO HARM NARUTO
OOC for Tobi to use wood style
OOC for Tobi to use fire ninjutsu

The only thing Obito has is to use kaumi which has not been used to kill anyone
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In my opinion, it all depends on what Young means. If it means throughout PTS, Kyuubi Naruto and Gamabunta stomp. At this point, Naruto's easily comparable to Obito. I don't quite remember correctly, but I don't think Obito has the 3 tomoe, so he can't track movements like Sasuke could when he was fighting Kyuubi Field Naruto.

If it's like Haku Arc Naruto, Obito certainly stands a chance, given the lack of experience that Naruto has. I would venture a guess and say that Fireball spam would be more than enough to take out Naruto.
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It's oOC for Ovito to spam fireballs. The only thing he can do would be intangible
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No. All of these examples have explanations. Someone is almost always in danger in Naruto's fights so saying, "Oh Sasuke was in trouble that explains it" doesn't make any sense. Like I said you have no canon evidence that Naruto dislikes summoning, just that he uses other techniques in battles.

In the Neji fight, maybe he was saving Kuchiyose to surprise opponents in later rounds.

Naruto had his chakra drained against Jirobo so he couldn't perform techniques. Chouji had maintained his chakra thanks to his calorie control.

He didn't have a full fight against Kimimaro. It ended up getting interrupted by Lee.

Naruto wanted to bring Sasuke back with his own hand, thus summoning Gama wouldn't make any sense. That's the only time you have a legitimate motive for saying he wouldn't use a summon. All those other fights had different circumstances.

How would summoning a giant toad in the middle of the battlefield help him get the bells? That fight consisted mainly of stealth with Naruto and Sakura coordinating their attacks to catch Kakashi off guard.

Naruto was enraged and just pounced on Deidara. That wasn't some all out battle. He just started swinging and Deidara had already used a substitution.

Against Itachi he got trolled by genjutsu 5 seconds into the fight.

Against Kakuzu he wanted to use Rasenshuriken for the first time. It'd also be the more effective technique for taking him out, rather than putting Gama's life at risk.

Lol Asking Gama to do something for you in the middle of a fight is called using your summon.

Sooooooooooo None of your examples were really examples.

Anyways like I said, Obito could not CONTROL mangekyo sharingan. His mind unlocked it to save his life. It's like saying 6 year old academy Sasuke could use sharingan just because he unlocked it the night his clan was murdered when he chased down Itachi. When it was obvious that it took years of training for him to figure out how to activate them willingly. Also, Zetsu is an aide. He fused to Obito's body and gave him Mokuton along with enhanced physical abilities. Like I said this is the equivalent of Jiraiya coming over to Naruto and magically giving him Sage Mode.
But my post does prove it however despite your reasons my examples still prove that in this similar situation that naruto would not summon gama. You are the one who has yet to show proof that while in character and with no one in danger that naruto would summon gama in this situation. So no matter what you say by evidence of the manga him summoning in this situation is OOC and therefore wouldn't happen.

Next of course he has full control of MS just look at the fight with minato obito was still a kid and look how much pressure he was able to place on minato. And as to the proof that obito was a kid Obito and Kakashi are stated to be the same age but a few months apart, there is a 13 to 14 year difference between kakashi and naruto so that means obito was 13 or 14 when he faced minato.

Naruto wouldn't know how to deal with obitos abilities and since its MS this also would allow obito to track narutos movements even if he can't find the real naruto timing on his ability to make himself intangible and taijutsu is enough since it has never been shown that naruto IC can kill with his clones in part one.

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But my post does prove it however despite your reasons my examples still prove that in this similar situation that naruto would not summon gama.
Naurto does NOT NEED Gama to win
You are the one who has yet to show proof that while in character and with no one in danger that naruto would summon gama in this situation. So no matter what you say by evidence of the manga him summoning in this situation is OOC and therefore wouldn't happen.
Agreed

Next of course he has full control of MS just look at the fight with minato obito was still a kid and look how much pressure he was able to place on minato.
the pressure was because Tobi took Minato by surprise and attacked his family and village with the kyubbi at his side. Tobi had full knowlwedge while Minato was constantly at a disadvantage
And as to the proof that obito was a kid Obito and Kakashi are stated to be the same age but a few months apart, there is a 13 to 14 year difference between kakashi and naruto so that means obito was 13 or 14 when he faced minato.
I agree but Naruto still wins

Naruto wouldn't know how to deal with obitos abilities and since its MS this also would allow obito to track narutos movements even if he can't find the real naruto timing on his ability to make himself intangible and taijutsu
young Obito has not shown impressive taijutus feats to beat all of the clones
is enough since it has never been shown that naruto IC can kill with his clones in part one.
Naruto does not need to kill

Here is how the battle goes

Naruto surronds Tobi with clones

Tobi spams intantabileiliy

Naruto clones attack and his attacks are useles! Naruto is suprised but is not discouraged and keeps attacking with weapons and taijutsu

Eventually Tobi would run out of intangability and will get hit. He can not spam intagibaliity and has no feats to destroy clones
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Here is how the battle goes

Naruto surronds Tobi with clones

Tobi spams intantabileiliy

Naruto clones attack and his attacks are useles! Naruto is suprised but is not discouraged and keeps attacking with weapons and taijutsu

Eventually Tobi would run out of intangability and will get hit. He can not spam intagibaliity and has no feats to destroy clones
That is debatable you have to take in the account of the fact that while no his taijutsu feats are not great they don't need to be to deal with naruto's clones.

As shown in part 1 narutos clones can't take much damage before the disappear meaning they can't tank hits while low taijutsu he has thanks to the kanabe bridge fight, his fight with the mist ninja, his reaction feats with minato and that he was able to crack the stone wall in madaras lair he has enough taijutsu combined with his quick reactions with kamui to get rid of all the clones since only the real naruto has shown to be able to tank a hit.

After which he can Kamui naruto and therefore win.
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That is debatable you have to take in the account of the fact that while no his taijutsu feats are not great they don't need to be to deal with naruto's clones.
you are assuming that Obito is that good. Naruto has A LOT of clones. Unless Obito is on Saskue/Kimi level of taijutsu then Naruto overwhelms him. Even CURRENT Obito does not have good enough basic taijutsu/figthing feats to defeat the clones

As shown in part 1 narutos clones can't take much damage before the disappear meaning they can't tank hits
some clones but not all.
while low taijutsu he has thanks to the kanabe bridge fight, his fight with the mist ninja
fighting the mist ninja is NOT RELEVEANT! Obito lost his cap then and he is clam now in this battle
, his reaction feats with minato
what reactions?
and that he was able to crack the stone wall in madaras lair
that is STRENGHT not taijutsu.
he has enough taijutsu
what taijutsu?
combined with his quick reactions with kamui to get rid of all the clones since only the real naruto has shown to be able to tank a hit.
kauming clones does nothgin. Kuami can not be used to kill.
After which he can Kamui naruto and therefore win.
If he kaumi's naruto or a clone then that person can attack obito while intangible or tanible get it? It's like how Kakashi hit Obito for the first time
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If he kaumi's naruto or a clone then that person can attack obito while intangible or tanible get it? It's like how Kakashi hit Obito for the first time
One thing current obito was severly outclassing naruto, kakshi, guy and bee until kakashi figured out his secret and even then was still out classing naruto so your point there makes no sense.

Also as shown in chapter 502 page 10 Minato also commented on how he was able to dodge his attack. Also as shown that minato during the fight minato was only able to catch him with FTG version 2. Now since you need that to catch him how will naruto since naruto is nowhere near that fast.

Also it shows in chapter 500 page 13 to 14 that he had enough skill to kill the anbu assigned to protect kushina and minato during her pregnacny so that alone shows he has enogh skill to actually kill naruto.
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