2nd & 4th mizukage vs madara

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

OK they get all feats 4th Mizukage gets Sanabi and they are fighting at the valley of the end.

Madara has no Kurama or anything given to him by FHC.

They start on opposite sides of the lake.

Who wins?

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

OK they get all feats 4th Mizukage gets Sanabi and they are fighting at the valley of the end.

Madara has no Kurama or anything given to him by FHC.

They start on opposite sides of the lake.

Who wins?

Who is Sanabi?

FHC means what?

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Who is Sanabi?

FHC means what?

Sanabi is the three tails and FHC means First Hokages Cells

[PrinceofPeace]

Isn't the genjutsu of the mist GG? Considering that madara's fire took on an army of suiton users I think Madara could beat tobirama. But how does Madara overcome mist?

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Tobirama?

No this is Second Mizukage and 4th Mizukage

You know Jokey Boy and the Three Tailed Jinchuuiki?

However mist Genjutsu and whatever that mirror move the 4th has that allows you to make a perfect copy of equal strength should take care of him.

[PrinceofPeace]

4MK is not needed. 2MK and the mist handles all of this. 2MK can not even control his bijju.

With the HEAVY restiricions on Madara he can not do much with the mist. Even regual (hidden mist jutsu) restrictics the sharigan so the genjutsu would not do much.

I do not know much about the 2MK though but the mist should prevent Madara from seeing.

Idk how Madara would overcome that and Jokey boy as well
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Even IF!!! Madara could see though the mist .... then what?

2MK is made out of water so he would still be hard to defeat.
Madara only has fire style and some genjutsu.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Actually the problem was never that he couldn't control his demon, if you read up on all he Jinchuuiki the only one who hadn't mastered their demon was Naruto. they just never explained how it ended up in that lake was all.

Also you're getting them confused, always remember 2mk is the one who died fighting 2tk. the 4mk is the one who can make perfect copies of you with the same strength.

[PrinceofPeace]

Well until Madara can fight through the mist... or surive Jokey boy the battle is easily over

[321zigzag3]

Madara even before Rinnegan fought both Onoki and Muu. The latter lost.

[PrinceofPeace]

so how does that help against genjutsu/mist

[321zigzag3]

That feat puts him above both 2nd and 4th Mizukage combined.

It also does not help you restricted Sanbi and 4th Mizukage still showed not that many feats.

[PrinceofPeace]

of course Madara has better feats! But how does he put those feats to use in the mist?

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

That feat puts him above both 2nd and 4th Mizukage combined.

It also does not help you restricted Sanbi and 4th Mizukage still showed not that many feats.

When did I restrict Sanabi? I clearly gave him Sanabi and Besides 4th Mizukage and create a perfect clone of the enemy that has equal strength.

[PrinceofPeace]

Exactly!
that is why I think Madara loses.... but then again I do not know much about the Mizauakges

and how does Madara counter the 2MK giant clone thing ma bob

[321zigzag3]

Madara had Perfect Susanoo even back then.

Both Onoki and Muu had flight and Dust Jutsu, the latter had invisibility.

Joki Boy and genjutsu just only stalls against Madara using even regular Susanoo.
Take in mind Madara has sharingan genjutsu as well and wide range Katons.

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

When did I restrict Sanabi? I clearly gave him Sanabi and Besides 4th Mizukage and create a perfect clone of the enemy that has equal strength.

Don't know I thought that.


You must talking about that Mirror Water technique.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

When did I restrict Sanabi? I clearly gave him Sanabi and Besides 4th Mizukage and create a perfect clone of the enemy that has equal strength.

*Sanbi

I don't really understand how jokey boy works so I can't really make a judgement here

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Madara had Perfect Susanoo even back then.

Both Onoki and Muu had flight and Dust Jutsu, the latter had invisibility.

Joki Boy and genjutsu just only stalls against Madara using even regular Susanoo.
Take in mind Madara has sharingan genjutsu as well and wide range Katons.

how does katon and genjutsu help in the mist?

You sure Susanoo can withstand Joey boi

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

It doesn't matter is Susanoo can withstand Jokey boy or not, the water mirror will make a clone just as strong as Madara with a Susanoo of it's own.

[PrinceofPeace]

Advent of following trees is the only way I see Madara winning but Joeky boi would destroy trees... right?

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

how does katon and genjutsu help in the mist?

You sure Susanoo can withstand Joey boi

2nd Mizukage's technique has a weakness based on large terrain.

If the range and power is enough regardless of distance shouldn't it hurt him?

Its not like the clam and 2nd mizukage are a kilometer away from their mirages.

Genjutsu is for 4th Mizukage.


Gaara's special sand tanked Joki Boi. Pretty sure MAdara's regular Susanoo can.

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

It doesn't matter is Susanoo can withstand Jokey boy or not, the water mirror will make a clone just as strong as Madara with a Susanoo of it's own.

In other words you are shooting for the probability of this scenario as a chance for Madara to lose.

If I recall, the technique does not last forever. It only ends after the opponent is repelled, and it appears to be more of a short range jutsu.