Tobi vs. Naruto

[PrinceofPeace]

I just realized something !!!!!!

Tobi can be inangiable for 5min constantly
Naruto can maintain RM for about 5-8min

Tobi can spam his intangibility and go in n out of it when need be
Naruto would hopelessly be spamming attacks that would over all fail..... And eventually run out of time and go back to base n try to go SM which leaves him open for a kaumi

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

I just realized something !!!!!!

Tobi can be inangiable for 5min constantly
Naruto can maintain RM for about 5-8min

Tobi can spam his intangibility and go in n out of it when need be
Naruto would hopelessly be spamming attacks that would over all fail..... And eventually run out of time and go back to base n try to go SM which leaves him open for a kaumi

No dude, Tobi need to be tangible in order to attack so if he does do that then Naruto can just stand there until Tobi decides to do something

[Shukketsu]

He specified that Tobi can switch in and out of tangibility as needed. If he's about to be struck, he can become intangible to avoid the attack before reverting back, thus drastically extending the length of time over which he can avoid being killed until he stalls Naruto's form out and generates an advantage in the process.

[PrinceofPeace]

Or the jubbi does all the work

[MinatoXNaruto]

Just because you have knowledge doesn't mean anything. Tobi had knowledge on Minato and still got served while Minato had none. Not saying Tobi would lose, just saying that knowledge isn't everything.

Kamui GG. He has Kakashi's sharingan too. He can use it more than Kakashi can since he is an Uchiha so I say Kamui spam GG.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Shukketsu

He specified that Tobi can switch in and out of tangibility as needed. If he's about to be struck, he can become intangible to avoid the attack before reverting back, thus drastically extending the length of time over which he can avoid being killed until he stalls Naruto's form out and generates an advantage in the process.

He can't do that, because otherwise he can't attack. If he wants to attack, he needs to become tangible. And while he's attacking is when Naruto can hit him.

[JLI2infinity]

That doesn't matter, Prince was confused. This is Rikudo Mode not a full bijuu transformation. There is no time limit.

That being said all Tobi has to do is absorb Naruto and he wins, did you all forget that strategy?

Tobi is older Naruto. He is smarter, more experienced, and more skilled, plain and simple. All Naruto's got on him is raw power (greater speed, more busting ability, larger chakra reserves) and all those things will probably allow him to grow up to be much stronger but at the moment he can't use them properly. Bee and Gai have been saving his ass. He and his clone got owned in taijutsu even though that's where Naruto is most skilled. And with Kamui and his own more durable body he's even more of a beast. This fight is over.

[PrinceofPeace]

Naruto is faster than Minato thus to fast to be warped... correct? I know Tobi was holoding back the first time he tried to warp Minato but still Naruto is a SPEED DEMON!

I still say Tobi wins cuz he has the greatest defensive stratgy. Naruto is hot headed and always likes to attack. Obito is not dumb enough to warp a clone. WHy would Obito even warp Naruto when he can warp PART of his body and decapitate him

Naruto can not win this without kaumi help

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

That doesn't matter, Prince was confused. This is Rikudo Mode not a full bijuu transformation. There is no time limit.

That being said all Tobi has to do is absorb Naruto and he wins, did you all forget that strategy?

Tobi is older Naruto. He is smarter, more experienced, and more skilled, plain and simple. All Naruto's got on him is raw power (greater speed, more busting ability, larger chakra reserves) and all those things will probably allow him to grow up to be much stronger but at the moment he can't use them properly. Bee and Gai have been saving his ass. He and his clone got owned in taijutsu even though that's where Naruto is most skilled. And with Kamui and his own more durable body he's even more of a beast. This fight is over.

He can only absorb on thing at a time. If Tobi tries to absorb Naruto, his clones can attack him from behind while he's trying to warp Naruto.

And even if he does get absorbed, Tobi will be vulnerable to the real Naruto in the other dimension when Tobi becomes intangible to avoid attacks from Naruto's clones, including multiple Rasenshurikens which expand. And as a reminder to PrinceofPeace, having knowledge of something does not always mean that you can counter it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

He can only absorb on thing at a time. If Tobi tries to absorb Naruto, his clones can attack him from behind while he's trying to warp Naruto.
^THATS THE PROBLEM!!!! You think Tobi has to attack but he does not. Yes it sounds like a silly stratgy but Naruto can not do ANYTHING

And even if he does get absorbed, Tobi will be vulnerable to the real Naruto in the other dimension when Tobi becomes intangible to avoid attacks from Naruto's clones, including multiple Rasenshurikens which expand. And as a reminder to PrinceofPeace, having knowledge of something does not always mean that you can counter it.

That is why Obito would not warp Naruto...the Jubbi is in this right?

[Shukketsu]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

He can't do that

What, become tangible and intangible at will? Yes, he can, and it's hardly a stretch that he'd be able to use this ability to adapt to the situation.

because otherwise he can't attack. If he wants to attack, he needs to become tangible. And while he's attacking is when Naruto can hit him.

Is there something here you aren't getting? I'm not saying Tobi has to STAY intangible, but that he can swap in and out of that state as is appropriate. Yes, he needs to become tangible to attack, I know that, but it doesn't change the simple fact that he can use the state sparringly to avoid attacks, even if stalling is a moot point.

Unless you have something better to bring to the table than 'No he can't!" (He can.) or "He needs to be tangible to attack!" (I know) I'd give serious consideration before you post again.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Shukketsu

What, become tangible and intangible at will? Yes, he can, and it's hardly a stretch that he'd be able to use this ability to adapt to the situation.

Is there something here you aren't getting? I'm not saying Tobi has to STAY intangible, but that he can swap in and out of that state as is appropriate. Yes, he needs to become tangible to attack, I know that, but it doesn't change the simple fact that he can use the state sparringly to avoid attacks, even if stalling is a moot point.

Unless you have something better to bring to the table than 'No he can't!" (He can.) or "He needs to be tangible to attack!" (I know) I'd give serious consideration before you post again.

I know he can become tangible and intangible at will, but the moment he tries to become tangible is the moment Naruto attacks him. And if he stays intangible then Naruto can basically just stand there and wait until he becomes tangible again. He obviously can't be intangible forever.

Can you think of a scenario of how this fight goes? The way I see it is this: Naruto charges Rasenshuriken. Tobi runs at Naruto. Naruto throws Rasenshuriken. Rasenshuriken goes through Madara, who becomes solid again and proceeds to attack Naruto. Naruto expands the Rasenshuriken behind Tobi, which proceeds to destroy Tobi on a molecular level like it did with the Human Path, if not worse. Since it's behind him, he can't expect it to expand. There's also the fact that he can use Shadow Shuriken Jutsu with his Rasenshurikens.

[Ultimate combatant]

Obito is not losing this battle. Even if Naruto had access to Bijuu mode, it would still be hard for Naruto to win. Though things would be much different. But in Rikudo mode, Naruto doesn't stand a chance!!!

[PrinceofPeace]

@mega

It's full knowledge so obito should know about the attack expanding

Also it would've stupid for obito to only be intangible when attacked instead of spamming it . Naruto is very fast and when has tobi ever charged a powerful foe like that?

Chakra receivers and madara's fan end this battle

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@mega

It's full knowledge so obito should know about the attack expanding

Also it would've stupid for obito to only be intangible when attacked instead of spamming it . Naruto is very fast and when has tobi ever charged a powerful foe like that?

Chakra receivers and madara's fan end this battle

Again, having knowledge of something does not mean that you can counter it. Tobi always becomes intangible when he's attacked. He never spams it because it's massively OOC and he can't attack very well if he spams it.

Chakra receivers can be dodged easily, and he doesn't have Madara's fan anymore.

[Uchiha Sora]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@mega

It's full knowledge so obito should know about the attack expanding

Also it would've stupid for obito to only be intangible when attacked instead of spamming it . Naruto is very fast and when has tobi ever charged a powerful foe like that?

Chakra receivers and madara's fan end this battle

Whats the point of spamming it? That means he can't attack.

And when did Obito actually use Madara's fan

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

Again, having knowledge of something does not mean that you can counter it. Tobi always becomes intangible when he's attacked. He never spams it because it's massively OOC and he can't attack very well if he spams it.

Chakra receivers can be dodged easily, and he doesn't have Madara's fan anymore.

But Obito can counter it in multiple ways. Tobi doesn't always become intangible when he is attacked. He wasn't when Naruto attacked his mask for the first time. He wasn't when Minato used Rasengan on him. He wasn't intangible entirely when he fought Konan.

Obito is very skilled and is capable of knowing when to become intangible and when not to. You can use any of his fights as a reference, especially him against Fu and Torune.

Obito still has far greater experience, better speed and reactions (matching Bijuu mode Naruto along with others), Intangibility, Kamui, numerous fire techniques, Legendary Taijutsu skills, Sharingan, Genjutsu, Teleportation, sensing abilities, Izanagi, Rinnegan, basic weapons, giant Shurikens coming out of nowhere and many more abilities!!!

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

But Obito can counter it in multiple ways. Tobi doesn't always become intangible when he is attacked. He wasn't when Naruto attacked his mask for the first time. He wasn't when Minato used Rasengan on him. He wasn't intangible entirely when he fought Konan.

Obito is very skilled and is capable of knowing when to become intangible and when not to. You can use any of his fights as a reference, especially him against Fu and Torune.

Obito still has far greater experience, better speed and reactions (matching Bijuu mode Naruto along with others), Intangibility, Kamui, numerous fire techniques, Legendary Taijutsu skills, Sharingan, Genjutsu, Teleportation, sensing abilities, Izanagi, Rinnegan, basic weapons, giant Shurikens coming out of nowhere and many more abilities!!!

All those times were when Tobi failed to react and use his intangibility in time (or outlasted in Konan's case) which only proves that Naruto could hit him.

Well he has to become tangible in order to attack, and that moment he attacks is the time when Naruto can hit him with a Rasengan.

Greater experience means nothing as shown in his fight against Kakuzu who's been alive since Hashirama's time. And I wouldn't say he has better reactions, or speed in that regard. Or that his taijutsu is legendary.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

All those times were when Tobi failed to react and use his intangibility in time (or outlasted in Konan's case) which only proves that Naruto could hit him.

Well he has to become tangible in order to attack, and that moment he attacks is the time when Naruto can hit him with a Rasengan.

Greater experience means nothing as shown in his fight against Kakuzu who's been alive since Hashirama's time. And I wouldn't say he has better reactions, or speed in that regard. Or that his taijutsu is legendary.

Naruto is not fast enough to hit him. Not even in Bijuu mode is he fast enough to beat Obito's reactions.

You have a point that when Obito attacks he is vulnerable. But Naruto cannot know whether Obito is faking his attack (like against Fu and Torune) or not.

Many like to downplay importance of experience by saying Kakuzu was defeated. But there are some things that are often ignored.
Kakuzu never had any experience with what Rasenshuriken does and how it works.
Kakuzu had 2 of his hearts destroyed when he faced Naruto.
Naruto couldn't defeat Kakuzu without assistance. Everyone remembers Kakuzu being hit with Rasenshuriken. But nobody remembers that Kakuzu caught Naruto with his strings and would've taken his heart had not Yamato intervened.
Kakuzu could not try to trick Naruto because there were others who observed the fight, including Kakashi, Yamato, Ino and Choji.
Kakuzu had the experience but he was arrogant.
Kakuzu was not only hurt but had been fighting numerous opponents before his battle with Naruto.
Naruto was a very strong Shinobi in his own right.

The fact that Obito is capable of fighting numerous opponents including Bijuu mode Naruto show that his speed and reactions are superior to that of Rikudo mode Naruto. And considering Obito was shown defeating Rikudo mode Naruto Kage Bunshin, something not even the strongest Kage couldn't, I'd say Obito's all skills, including Taijutsu are Legendary!!!

[Devils Lawyer]

On this point Naruto can make a clone to fight Tobi until he runs out of chakra. He can just take a nap in the meantime.