Haku vs Kimimaro

[Wooster]

Haku can speed blitz Sai Shaft who can speed blitz Deidara and Sasori. Kimmy can't even move before he is dead

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Underestaming Kimmi are we??

No, but you are underestemating Haku and I can use whatever example I want, rather Zabuza was at 1% Hp or not, Haku did not have to use crystal ice mirrors to hit his pressure points and that is my whole point on that about it.

Also even if Haku was tagged by a few people, I still haven't seen Kimimaro move anywhere near his speed, plus using KN0 Naruto as an example isn't really fair because he get's super speed boost anyway, also I fail to remember when Sasuke actually tagged Haku once he started to use his speed.

@Prince that OK, they can all gang up on me if they want to......cause take em all on lol

[PrinceofPeace]

Sai was taken by surprised he could barely see the enemy

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

No, but you are underestemating Haku and I can use whatever example I want, rather Zabuza was at 1% Hp or not,
you CAN use it... but it is a poor comparison cuz you are bassically saying that 1% Zabuza is on par with 100% Kimmi or even 1% Kimi for that matter. Kimmi is not as hurt as Zabuza and he sees Haku
Haku did not have to use crystal ice mirrors to hit his pressure points and that is my whole point on that about it.
yes Haku CAN hit pressure points with mirrors but hitting them is unlikely with it cuz Kimmi can dodge

Also even if Haku was tagged by a few people, I still haven't seen Kimimaro move anywhere near his speed, plus using KN0 Naruto as an example isn't really fair because he get's super speed boost anyway, also I fail to remember when Sasuke actually tagged Haku once he started to use his speed.
Kimmi kept up with Garra's sand speed and Drunken lee and KNO Naruto speeds... Kimmi is fast enough

@Prince that OK, they can all gang up on me if they want to......cause take em all on lol

I think you might need to call back-up from Vivi or Wooster

BTW-You still did not address my 2 points ealier

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Sai was taken by surprised he could barely see the enemy

He felt the cold, but was still unable to react AND was watching the enemy on the ground.

[PrinceofPeace]

Sai could not see what the enemy was doing
and Kimmi showed better reaction time from fighting Rock Lee

[Wooster]

Doesn't matter; Sai was unable to recat even when he knew somethign was wrong. WHy? Because he was speed blitzed.

Kimmy could not react any differently.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

what two points?

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

MY MAIN POINTS (someone who is in favor of Haku please counter)

1-Demonic Mirrors Dome??
IMO Haku does not have the time to surrond Kimmi with mirrors. Kimmi would not just stand there and watch them be made. Also haku would not start off with the mirrors. She does not know how strong he is and even if he did he would still hold back and at least not use them off the bat.

2- Up close!!!!!!
As we have all seen Haku did not blitz with mirrors. Saskue and Haku went in a taijutsu 1v1 battle. So Haku would do the same here..... which brings me to my FAVOIRTE POINT!!!!!!!!!!
Can Haku survive and up close battle with Haku???
NOT A CHANCE!!!!!!!!!
Haku can not dance like Kimmi

yES kImmi could cuz he has better reaction feats than Sai (Kimmi is not sai ... Kimmi is better than Sai)

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

OK from what I saw Haku brought the Ice dome up pretty quickly actually considering that it was fast enough to block all of the attacks they made on Zabuza and himself.

Also if Haku cam in close he still had the advantage of on handed hand signs and using his ice needles of death.

also how would Kimi dodge or survive the certain kill ice spears?

su movimiento

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

OK from what I saw Haku brought the Ice dome up pretty quickly actually considering that it was fast enough to block all of the attacks they made on Zabuza and himself.
I am not talking about that I am talking the thing he used on Saskue and Naruto. THat took more time to make and Kimmi can run away out of harms way

Also if Haku cam in close he still had the advantage of on handed hand signs and using his ice needles of death.
Do you really believe that Haku can surive a close range battle?
How would he survive
-finger bullet spam
-dance of willow

also how would Kimi dodge or survive the certain kill ice spears?

with bone forest

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

with bone forest

Easy, he survives finger bones with senbon and Larch/willow dance with 1000 needles of death.

Also certain kill ice spears in instant so how would he use bone forest in time to save himself.

How would Kimimaro know to move, he would only know that Haku stepped into a mirror in front of him and try to attack and break it, remember the rest of the mirrors did not form until Haku stepped into the first mirror so Kimimaro would no know about the dome until it was too late.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga

Easy, he survives finger bones with senbon and Larch/willow dance with 1000 needles of death.
how do senbon counter bone bullets? And Kimmi runs away from needles just like Saskue did

Also certain kill ice spears in instant so how would he use bone forest in time to save himself.
1-OOC for ice spears off the bat if at all
2- kimmi can gain distance from ice spears as he uses Bones
3-Bones can pierce through the bridge under it and Kimmi can go out of the bones from there
4-kimmi can use it before Haku

How would Kimimaro know to move, he would only know that Haku stepped into a mirror in front of him and try to attack and break it, remember the rest of the mirrors did not form until Haku stepped into the first mirror so Kimimaro would no know about the dome until it was too late.
Kimmi's character is not aggressive enough to break it off the bat he would just gain distance out of the dome

Let's back track real quick. Haku started fighting Saskue close up... and Kimi EXCELS at fighting close up so please tell me how Haku surives fighting close up

[Fukai Tsumi]

Kimimaro is fast enough and defensive enough to avoid dying 'till he can go CS and curbstomp.

[PrinceofPeace]

Kimmi does not gen need CS cuz he would kill him off the bat with taijutsu

[tanduhman]

^Exactly... He countered lee, and made it look easy. Pressure points dont mean anything when kimmi can structure the bone inside of himself which has already been explained. This really is a stomp. I dont see haku even having the time to make the mirrors when he'll be being blitzed. Any attacks would be useless. Match starts, kimmi blitzes, and cuts hakus face off, and wears it afterwards to make the haku fans cry.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

You know it's been proven that Haku can make mirrors across the field and not just as a dome to move at super speed, so what is stopping him from doing this?

[tanduhman]

So your telling me that while being blitzed by a tank, haku is going to waste his time making a mirror across the field? I think he has more to worry about than making that. He'd have to think about his own defense. Haku has to come into contact with the mirror in order for it to even be seen as usefull. Across the field is useless.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

See you're not getting it, I'm talking about what he did when Kakashi was going to kill Zabuza, of course going to make mirror in front of himself, plus Kimimaro isn't that fast. they are starting 30 meters away from each other in case you forgot.

and how is he going to get blitzed by Kimimaro when he is faster than him?

It has been proven that that Haku can make mirrors anywhere across the field and appear and them swiftly so how is Kimimaro going to stop him from doing that?

[JLI2infinity]

LMAO This thread is still going I love it when Haku gets overrated. Kishi trolls too hard with that kid. He hyped the sh*t out of him and even bothered to bring him back to life with Edo Tensei just so he could get owned again. This thread is honestly over with three feats

1) Two tomoe Sasuke tagged him
2) KN0 Naruto broke his mirror
3) Base Gai and Base Lee kicked him in the face mid mirror blitz

These things can't be countered, they are the ultimate testament to Haku's REAL strength, HE...IS...A...GENIN, a really skilled one no doubt but a genin none the less probably high chuunin level if you count fodder nin.

Even with hype Kimimaro wins, he beat Juugo, he helped defeat the Kazekage, he beat the entire Sound 4 in the past so badly that they were all pissing their pants in fear when he showed up.

To me this thread is just flat out disrespectful to Kimimaro's ability. Sadly it's not the first time people have overestimated Haku on this site. I remember the big debates over whether or not him and Zabuza could take on Sasori or Killer Bee in base.