Kakashi vs Guy

[mirai colorles]

bloodlusted battle between these two? kamui would likely be deadly even for gai, but dont sleep on the 8th gate

[321zigzag3]

8th gate will be probably called Midnight Dragon.

[Nigoyukai]

I'm seeing a win for Kakashi atm. Insta-Kamui which should allow him to teleport inside his dimension and can send Gai to the same dimension + Comparable speed gives Kakashi the speed + hax combo advantage.
Not to mention genjutsu and an abundance of versatile ninjutsu to support him in executing out Kamui.

[mirai colorles]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

8th gate will be probably called Midnight Dragon.

yeah, and it will punch the juubi into da moon and kick madara into tha sun (or visa versa). kishi gotta step up with 8th gate, its the most hyped thing in the manga since part 1

[PrinceofPeace]

@Nigoyukaie
-If Kakashi leaves the battlefield to go into Kaumiland that is a RIngout by BG standards so Kakashi just gave up the fight

Kakashi is not fast enough with the kumai to use it before Guy makes ONE HAND SEAL
(especially when kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS)

Genjutsu does not effect Guy (at least on visual)

Afternoon tiger>>>>Any of Kakashi's jutsu

[Roronoa Zoro]

Kakashi autowins for being awesome :03:

[mirai colorles]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@Nigoyukaie
-If Kakashi leaves the battlefield to go into Kaumiland that is a RIngout by BG standards so Kakashi just gave up the fight

Kakashi is not fast enough with the kumai to use it before Guy makes ONE HAND SEAL
(especially when kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS)

Genjutsu does not effect Guy (at least on visual)

Afternoon tiger>>>>Any of Kakashi's jutsu

well in a bloodlusted situation, kakashi would have his sharingan revealed beforehand anyways

also how would the kamui dimension be considered a ringout? its kakashis ability. but regardless when bloodlusted kakashi uses it to attack (the only instance of bloodlusted kakashi was when he threatened to "take out madara/tobi" with kamui, with which tobi replied "dont bother kakashi, techniques like that dont work on me", so he did not. but in that mindset, kakashi attacks with kamui. so the defensive aspects of kamui, are less of an immediate thread to gai than the offensive aspects

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by mirai colorles

yeah, and it will punch the juubi into da moon and kick madara into tha sun (or visa versa). kishi gotta step up with 8th gate, its the most hyped thing in the manga since part 1

I want to see Jubi destroy the moon just because I think it will be hilarious.

[mirai colorles]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

I want to see Jubi destroy the moon just because I think it will be hilarious.

as in the vs forum drama that will ensue will be hilarious? .... . . .. . . .

but it seems likely to happen, after juubi flicked hachibi like a fly last chapter


but whats more likely? gai kicking edo madara into the sun causing a super nova of exploding youth

[321zigzag3]

Jubi is incomplete and is missing 8 and 9 tails.

If anything its 7 tails with a little over that makes up Jubi for now. Its still missing a considerable chunk of its power considering especially the absence of the whole Kyuubi.

Rikudo remakes earth casually. Or even worse, Nagato returns, remakes the planet, and seals the Jubi and Rikudo remakes the universe.

Oh that would be so hilarious.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by mirai colorles

well in a bloodlusted situation, kakashi would have his sharingan revealed bis eforehand anyways
No I believe if he had prep he would have revealed and switched to MS.

also how would the kamui dimension be considered a ringout?
its kakashis ability.
because Kakashi left the dimenion/battlefield. It is like a wrestler teleporting away from the battle. The wrestler gave up. i dont see how running away helps Kakashi... not that he could do it fast enough
but regardless when bloodlusted kakashi uses it to attack (the only instance of bloodlusted kakashi was when he threatened to "take out madara/tobi" with kamui, with which tobi replied "dont bother kakashi, techniques like that dont work on me", so he did not. but in that mindset, kakashi attacks with kamui. so the defensive aspects of kamui, are less of an immediate thread to gai than the offensive aspects

So you are saying that Guy can not make ONE HAND SEAL before he is kaumi'd away?

Guy would quickly make the hand seal and send the tiger towards the foe. It would take Kakashi a longer time to Kaumi Hidora

[mirai colorles]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

So you are saying that Guy can not make ONE HAND SEAL before he is kaumi'd away?

Guy would quickly make the hand seal and send the tiger towards the foe. It would take Kakashi a longer time to Kaumi Hidora

well as fast as gais attacks are, a direct kamui by nature of what kakashi can visually track and has been shown to visually track with his sharingan, is still likely faster. and you mention hand seals, when sharingan, especially a sharingan wielder as adept as kakashi, can read and react to handseals. so kakashis kamui can see things more than adeptly enough to attack with kamui. so it is obviously not in gais interest to stay still against kakashi, and he is one of the few fighters in the vs with the speed and agility to potentially counter certain facets of kamui in combat (such as only the attacking aspect, or only the defensive, but not both. and kakashi is beginning to experiment with the defensive aspects of kamui as well)

but this is why bloodlusted battles are kinda iffy to debate. in character battles in which the characters have full intent to battle, but they are still in character, are usually more fitting to such discussions, and also more interesting to debate than just "x character spams his/her most powerful technique/y characer spams his/her most powerful technique" as is commonly seen in bloodlusted threads

[PrinceofPeace]

In character threads are the worst. Only Kishi knows what a character would do. We can not say cuz the situations are different. WIth bloodlusted anything can happen and we are not bound to anything so it is easier and free

Prove Kakashi can Kaumi a fast human being that does not want to be kaumi'd that is firing a powerful taijutsu!!!
Guy would make a hand seal before Kaumi is finished. How would Kakashi Kaumi Hidora???

Kakashi bloodlusted does not mean he is dressed off bloodlused from the start

[Saiyan]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

its redundant to ask people like you to give proof instead of giving a basis opinon

"People like me"... You're taking this way too far.

He has a sharingan. If you've watched this show and read this manga you would know that having a sharingan and being a main character makes you stupid op and undestructable.

That was the obvious reason, I didn't think I had to actually say it.

I don't know why you would neg me over it, if you wanted my opinion so bad there it is. If you have a problem with me next time send me a pm all you had to do was ask me to elaborate.

[mirai colorles]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

In character threads are the worst. Only Kishi knows what a character would do. We can not say cuz the situations are different. WIth bloodlusted anything can happen and we are not bound to anything so it is easier and free

Prove Kakashi can Kaumi a fast human being that does not want to be kaumi'd that is firing a powerful taijutsu!!!
Guy would make a hand seal before Kaumi is finished. How would Kakashi Kaumi Hidora???

Kakashi bloodlusted does not mean he is dressed off bloodlused from the start

well the proper way of wording it would be "in character with intent to kill" as some may say, in that the characters fight as they normally do (nonbloodlusted), but with full intent to kill

gai would be better of moving and using pure taijutsu than anything with handseals against kakashi, as since kakashis sharingan can undeniably track gais handseals, than his sharingan can visually kamui gai before the handseal is finished. its not that gais handseals are slow, its just that handseal techniques are not the way to counter kamui

[Sagepain]

Kakashi should be able to Kamui anything Guy sends at him in time and from there he can just Kamui Guy if he stops moving.

He's been able to Kamui Susano'o arrows which are pretty fast.

[PrinceofPeace]

@Sagepain

-Susanoo arrow<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<hidora

Hidora is way stronger and covers a much wider area. While Kakashi is TRYING to Kaumi it Guy can blitz him

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by mirai colorles

well the proper way of wording it would be "in character with intent to kill" as some may say, in that the characters fight as they normally do (nonbloodlusted), but with full intent to kill

gai would be better of moving and using pure taijutsu than anything with handseals against kakashi, as since kakashis sharingan can undeniably track gais handseals, than his sharingan can visually kamui gai before the handseal is finished. its not that gais handseals are slow, its just that handseal techniques are not the way to counter kamui

it is a way to counter Kakashi revealing his sharigan and switiching to MS then using Kaumi

Kakashi has not shown to Kaumi a human with resistance

[Nigoyukai]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@Nigoyukaie
-If Kakashi leaves the battlefield to go into Kaumiland that is a RIngout by BG standards so Kakashi just gave up the fight

Kakashi is not fast enough with the kumai to use it before Guy makes ONE HAND SEAL
(especially when kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS)

Genjutsu does not effect Guy (at least on visual)

Afternoon tiger>>>>Any of Kakashi's jutsu

- Why? That's like saying Obito using his intangibility fully constitutes as BFR. The dimension is part of Kakashi's technique. He's still going to combat the enemy and can go in and out whenever he wants. If he stays inside that dimension, then you can consider that as BFR.
-Kakashi warped a moving BM Naruto in an instant, warped something as big as the Hachibi very quickly, warped missiles, and has shown to be on the same speed level as Obito, Gai, and Naruto. All of this just by looking at the target. It's unlikely that Gai will activate up to the 7th Gate, make the unique handseal for Hirutora, and unleash the air punch before Kakashi takes off his headband, reveals the MS (which will be done by the time he removed that headband), and aims his eye at Gai to activate Kamui. If Gai fires that air punch, it'd better cross that 50 meter distance very quickly, otherwise it enters the space warped by Kamui and it gets teleported.
-Still has an abundance of ninjutsu to support him.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Nigoyukai

- Why? That's like saying Obito using his intangibility fully constitutes as BFR.
no cuz he is still visible and on the battlefield. He did not leave the diemension entirely.He is still at risk in the battle. He can be intanbiable but he did not warp to kaumiland
The dimension is part of Kakashi's technique. He's still going to combat the enemy and can go in and out whenever he wants. If he stays inside that dimension, then you can consider that as BFR.
whats BFR???
-Kakashi warped a moving BM Naruto in an instant,
naruto wanted it to happen abd it was not an attack
warped something as big as the Hachibi very quickly,
also wanted it to happen and it was not an powerful physical attack
warped missiles,
slowly and was not big as hidora
and has shown to be on the same speed level as Obito, Gai, and Naruto.
Gai has to make one hand seal while Kakashi has to unveal his headband and switch to MS and then fire Kaumi.... Kakashi is not that fast
All of this just by looking at the target. It's unlikely that Gai will activate up to the 7th Gate, make the unique handseal for Hirutora, and unleash the air punch before Kakashi takes off his headband, reveals the MS (which will be done by the time he removed that headband),
MY POINT EXACTLY!!! (@what I put in bold)
Guy does not NEED to go into the 7th game to use Hiutora!!!!!!!! He just needs to form the special hand sign!!!!!!!
and aims his eye at Gai to activate Kamui. If Gai fires that air punch, it'd better cross that 50 meter distance very quickly, otherwise it enters the space warped by Kamui and it gets teleported.
even IF kakashi could kaumi that attack Guy would blitz him before he could finish/retailiate
-Still has an abundance of ninjutsu to support him.

Which all fail to Hidoura