The Sailor Senshi vs. Z Senshi

[The Uzamaki Clan]

Sailor moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, mercury, Saturn,Uranus, Neptune and Pluto vs. Goku, Teen Gohan, Tien, Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiatozu, Vegeta, and Trunks.

Location: Namek
Sailor Senshi are at their peak and Sailor moon is in eternal form.
Z Senshi are at their strongest.
Who Wins?

[Vivi]

Oh oh.




Oh and whats this?


Sailor Moon thinking about destroying the Galaxy Cauldron.

[The Uzamaki Clan]

so your saying the sailor senshi win?

[Vivi]

Stomping.

Sailor Moon fought equally with Galaxia who pretty much has planet destruction as a hobby calling the Earth a small planet.
As you can see, Galaxia does so with a finger snap.

[The Uzamaki Clan]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Stomping.

Sailor Moon fought equally with Galaxia who pretty much has planet destruction as a hobby calling the Earth a small planet.
As you can see, Galaxia does so with a finger snap.

WOW! so even if goku goes ssj3 he and the z senshi get curbstomp.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by The Uzamaki Clan

WOW! so even if goku goes ssj3 he and the z senshi get curbstomp.

Sailor Moon alone should be horrendously ftl seeing she travelled 26,000 light years in 1 second.
1 light-year = 9460730472580800 metres

Meaning Sailor Moon travelled:

eight hundred and twenty billion, five hundred eleven million, eight hundred eighty seven thousand times the speed of light.

I admit 1 second is vague though it happened pretty much instantly from one panel to another.Even if they needed an hour they are well inside massively ftl range.

Lets go right now.
Whooosh
Were there.

[The Uzamaki Clan]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Sailor Moon alone should be horrendously ftl seeing she travelled 26,000 light years in 1 second.
1 light-year = 9460730472580800 metres

Meaning Sailor Moon travelled:

eight hundred and twenty billion, five hundred eleven million, eight hundred eighty seven thousand times the speed of light.

................OK! basically sailor moon solos the entire dbz universe. but without sailor moon does the sailor senshi still win?

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by The Uzamaki Clan

................OK! basically sailor moon solos the entire dbz universe. but without sailor moon does the sailor senshi still win?

Well Saturn travelled from Earth to Pluto in mere moments and can wipe out all life in the solar system.

Pluto went with Saturn so speed is about the same though has massive Time hax with time travel and time stop.

Neptune flew to her own planet near instantly though lacks in destructiveness.

Same goes for Uranus.

Venus stalemated with Sailor Moon when she was controlled by Galaxia.

Chibi Moon travelled with Sailor Moon to Sagittarius and has the key of space and time from Pluto.

Mars,Mercury,Jupiter pretty much lack destructive but by powerscaling should be about the same speed as the others.

[The Uzamaki Clan]

goku has pretty impressive speed himself, but from your points it will probably go down as goku taking on all the sailor scouts by himself leading, to his defeat

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Originally Posted by The Uzamaki Clan

goku has pretty impressive speed himself, but from your points it will probably go down as goku taking on all the sailor scouts by himself leading, to his defeat

Goku is impressively fast but he isn't even breaching the speed of light

some of the sailor senshi if memory serves can operate at speeds that are millions of times the speed of light or something insane like that

basically the old english dubbed anime really underplayed just how powerful they were

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

Goku is impressively fast but he isn't even breaching the speed of light

some of the sailor senshi if memory serves can operate at speeds that are millions of times the speed of light or something insane like that

basically the old english dubbed anime really underplayed just how powerful they were

Calcs put it to Billions.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Oh oh.

Sailor Moon thinking about destroying the Galaxy Cauldron.

Well there you have it.

Originally Posted by The Immortal Watch Dog

Goku is impressively fast but he isn't even breaching the speed of light

You know, one would think GOku should have reached speed of light or some crap.

Didn't a teacher of goku was going actual lightning speed?

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Well there you have it.



You know, one would think GOku should have reached speed of light or some crap.

Didn't a teacher of goku was going actual lightning speed?

Popo some say.Though I believe that was just hyperbole.

[Uchiha Sora]

Pretty sure Sailor moon characters bust galaxies.. At least the top tier ones

[Devils Lawyer]

Instant transmission at massively hypersonic levels greater than anything shown in sailormoon verse. Even if the lightspeed wasn't an outlier. Which is doubtful considering the series hardly supports that level of speed. Teleportation with sufficient reaction speed is the greater ability in a fight. Also if someone cared enough you could argue lightspeed reaction levels for db. Your reaction speed is higher than your actual speed by almost 10 times. So yeah there is that.

Also planet busting hardly matters considering she hasn't really shown anything beyond that. Which still puts them in the same range. Nevermind the combat skills between the two groups is massively different. I would take the individuals who trained their bodies to that of higher beings over a princess who just swings a wand and spins.

[HokageSoulReaper]

No matter what a Salior Senshi might be capable of, in a combat with a Z fighter, any of them would go down pretty quick, as a Z fighter wouldn't let them use whatever techniques they could use to win

And if there's no way that can happen and a Sailor Senshi IS stronger than any Z fighter no matter what, I am so killing myself!

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Sora

Pretty sure Sailor moon characters bust galaxies.. At least the top tier ones

Pretty much.
As said:
Saturn should be a solar system lifewiper,Sailor Moon thought about destroying the Galaxy and Galaxia has no problems snapping down a planet calling the earth small.

No matter what a Salior Senshi might be capable of, in a combat with a Z fighter, any of them would go down pretty quick, as a Z fighter wouldn't let them use whatever techniques they could use to win

Galaxia = Sailor Moon
Venus stalemated with Sailor Moon with her Love and Beauty Shock blast.

Then again add in Pluto with her Time Hax.

[mosquito mex]

to the poster named Vivi:

please do not use instances of travel speed as if they are indicative of a characters synapses in combat

also "planet busting" or any sort of "busting" hardly means anything in combat, especially one on one combat (although this is a team battle, it still doesn't mean much). combat is all about precision killing and the compressed attacks that make up such. this is how, for instance, a character that typically destroys far, far less in AOE, can and does defeat characters with far more expansive AOE attacks. in AOE attacks, energy causes collateral damage and is a far less efficient transfer to the enemy themselves. compressed attacks, whether 'ki' based of CQC, are attacks in which the energy is transferred in a compressed form, efficiently to and only to the enemy, killing the enemy with minimal (if any) damage to the surrounding areas. for instance, lets discuss tien shinhans kikoho attack, aka neo tri beam: it is a compressed energy attack. and by nature of being a compressed energy attack, it does not explode on impact and thus does minimal damage to any of the surrounding area, with maximum killing efficiency on impact to the enemy, with no wasted force

this is a brief description of why basing characters potency in battle on AOE is horrendously flawed. now, we can both agree that kikoho is an incredibly lethal attack, that is compressed and thus designed to only kill the enemy with no damage to the surrounding area. another example of compressed attack is piccoros special beam cannon, and pretty much any of the prevalent attacks in DBZ from saiyan saga to namek saga and onwards

but in short, do not downplay dragon ball characters simply because they do not go around destroying planets for fun, as, you know, the entire point of the z senshi is to prevent planets from being destroyed. and to prevent themselves from destroying cosmic objects in combat, they very early on develop compressed energy attacks and precision killing techniques, techniques that both minimize if not completally eliminate collateral AOE damage (and thus not destroying areas and cosmic objects in battle) while maximizing killing potential. and just for the record, compressed energy attacks are way, way, way more forceful than AOE attacks (with both attack styles having equivalent energy input; ie lets say saiyan saga piccolo does an AOE attack, and then a compressed energy attack. both attacks are fired by the same fighter, with the same capabilities. however, the compressed energy attack is gonna be far, far, far more forceful due to the nature of, you know, density. it will hit the enemy and only the enemy with far more force compared to the energy wastefulness of expansive AOE attacks, in which the energy is wastefully dispersed. toriyama makes all of this quite obvious if you observe the manga, and i can show all of this to you in detail if you ask)

also, why does this site auto log you off after a few minutes? i just lost much of my post because of that, but if was rambling so it hardly matters anyways. but in short, all that matters in vs discussion is how the characters actually fight, and this means quite simply not confusing instances of travel speed with combat synapses, and not confusing "AOE destructive power" with lethality, as compressed attacks and precise killing is far more lethal

[mosquito mex]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Well there you have it.



You know, one would think GOku should have reached speed of light or some crap.

Didn't a teacher of goku was going actual lightning speed?

dragon ball characters had faster than light combat synapses (do not confuse this with travel speed) since, at the very latest saiyan saga. raditz was evading piccolos special beam cannon, which astounded piccolo whom even definitively said "raditz is faster than light" (character statements are not always end all, but considering...read the next sentence). and if you observe piccolos casual ki blast which is portrayed as reaching the moon nigh instantly (and don't bring up some "lack of timeframe" arguement...if you have seen the panel, you speed of which the ki blast reached the moon is made quite clear by toriyama), and this a casual ki blast. special beam cannon is naturally far, far faster. and raditz evaded it like nothing. toriyama is making the combat synapses of dragon ball characters quite clear. AND NOTE: i do not support power scaling off of earlier instances in a source, and i definatively do not support strict numbers quantification or calculations of any kind. you just have to look at how dragon ball characters actually fight, and why they fight as they do (ie why they simply do not go around destroying things via AOE, and why they choose to fight efficiently with compressed attacks. also the nature of their 'burst speed' and how that relates to combat synapses)

look i know there are gonna be posters that disagree with much that i say here, DBZ downplay is like an indoctrination. so, i'm gonna get my stuff organized, and post some more organized stuff to counter whatever might come at me. and rest assured, i have plenty. DBZ downplay is perhaps the most prevalent form of downplay on the internet (sure if has some attention starved fans that like to post things like "gogeta kills god" and stuff like that; but overall it is downplayed, and i have some some organized thesis's that both point out this downplay, and provide illumination to dragon ball characters as they actually are, in combat)



also sorry for the double post if that is seen as offensive here

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I'm not particularly sure what's more insane the fact that you think you can use anime dub lines on a forum that defaults primary canon and throws out any feats that contradict those- or the fact that you're using Phenom level arguments...or the fact that you think statements matter here

or the fact that you just implied an anti dbz conspiracy online..

all of it is hilariously old school and delightfully trolltastic