Dangai Ichigo vs SA goku

[joon61]

Distance:50 meters
location:Place where goku fought nappa
Both are in character

[Uchiha Sora]

Pretty sure Goku still knocks his head off

[joon61]

SA=saiyan arc.

[megabbaut]

You can put anything on Goku and people will always say Goku wins against HST characters, even in their strongest incarnations.

[joon61]

O.Ok then.

[JLI2infinity]

LMAO Goku stomps hard.

He's a massively hyper sonic planet buster.

Kaioken speedblitz...GG.

Ichigo's best shot against a Goku would be a Dragon Ball incarnation of him, pre-Mr. Popo training, because that's the point at which Goku becomes faster than lightning and essentially surpasses the HST.

@meggabaut It's not because we're being fanboys it's because it's true. They just fight on different scales. There's nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't make for good battle threads.

[MinatoXNaruto]

GG Ichigo

Spoiler:

[cnorwood]

the only way ichigo wins if Goku starts out dead, He should be a planet buster by now. Even the obd is saying that now.....

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

You can put anything on Goku and people will always say Goku wins against HST characters, even in their strongest incarnations.

Well duh.Goku as a Kid was already casually dodging bullets and just got a headache when Bulma shot him in the head (Bullet hitting him like a stone).

But here's the deal:

SA Goku stomped a guy who with two finger easily blasted a country if not a continent.

[BMC1994]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

LMAO Goku stomps hard.

He's a massively hyper sonic planet buster.

Kaioken speedblitz...GG.

Ichigo's best shot against a Goku would be a Dragon Ball incarnation of him, pre-Mr. Popo training, because that's the point at which Goku becomes faster than lightning and essentially surpasses the HST.

@meggabaut It's not because we're being fanboys it's because it's true. They just fight on different scales. There's nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't make for good battle threads.

SA arc goku was not a planet buster atleast not a casual one. That said goku easily rivals and probaly surpasses any psysical stats of dangai ichigo with 1 kai o ken, maybe just in base.

There some characters in the HST which should be able to slightly match that speed.

I doubt dangai ichigo would last long i mean even SA krillin was casually bustin
mountains with his destructo disc.


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On the other side if memory serves me well ichigo destroyed hills with his blocked swordswings not even directed at the hills. While goku punches could not produce such an effect without knocking his opponent into it.

Ichigo also took aizen cero thingy while SA arc goku died from a special beam cannon. Aizens cero thingy did surpass SBC at that point in the series.

For speed i dont really remember anything except goku easily being able to move faster then the human eye of even trained fighters can see and this being enhanced by snakeway training and kai o ken.

Dangai ichigos only true speed feat was face palm throwing aizen a few miles away from karakura town. You could argue that he could keep up with someone who had the ability to essentially instant transmission(teleport) but meh aizen barely used it. By powerscaling he should be able to keep up with atleast goku in base maybe even kai o ken. I mean ichigo did essentially surpass all any any speedsters in bleach save for escept zero squad maybe by being even able to battle aizen which in his lower hogyoku forms was casually blitzing multiple captians and vizards casually.

/just rambling and comparing instead of just saying 'goku insta wins' its kinda boring.

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by MinatoXNaruto

GG Ichigo

Spoiler:

I don't think this is allowed!!!

Anyway, Goku's speed is far superior to Ichigo even in his base!!!

[THE susanoo]

Iv seen this a few times, what is HST?

[ILIKEPIE]

Holy Shonen Trinity (One Piece, Bleach, Naruto)

[Vivi]

Granted, to be reaaaaally precise Bleach isn't regarded as part of the HST anymore and even Narutos spot is starting to rattle.

General believe is now:

Spoiler:

One Piece,Naruto and Toriko

But Naruto ending soon:

Spoiler:

One Piece, Assassination Classroom and Toriko

[THE susanoo]

Ahhh, i had History's strongest team in my head :S but from what i know, easy stomp

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by BMC1994

SA arc goku was not a planet buster atleast not a casual one. That said goku easily rivals and probaly surpasses any psysical stats of dangai ichigo with 1 kai o ken, maybe just in base.

There some characters in the HST which should be able to slightly match that speed.

I doubt dangai ichigo would last long i mean even SA krillin was casually bustin
mountains with his destructo disc.


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On the other side if memory serves me well ichigo destroyed hills with his blocked swordswings not even directed at the hills. While goku punches could not produce such an effect without knocking his opponent into it.

Ichigo also took aizen cero thingy while SA arc goku died from a special beam cannon. Aizens cero thingy did surpass SBC at that point in the series.

For speed i dont really remember anything except goku easily being able to move faster then the human eye of even trained fighters can see and this being enhanced by snakeway training and kai o ken.

Dangai ichigos only true speed feat was face palm throwing aizen a few miles away from karakura town. You could argue that he could keep up with someone who had the ability to essentially instant transmission(teleport) but meh aizen barely used it. By powerscaling he should be able to keep up with atleast goku in base maybe even kai o ken. I mean ichigo did essentially surpass all any any speedsters in bleach save for escept zero squad maybe by being even able to battle aizen which in his lower hogyoku forms was casually blitzing multiple captians and vizards casually.

/just rambling and comparing instead of just saying 'goku insta wins' its kinda boring.

Pre-SA Piccolo was a casual planet buster, in the beginning of DBZ he was shooting of ki blasts that destroyed moons for practice and he was at least 30 times weaker than Goku when he faced Vegeta. So you're way off.

Goku's punches are focused into small areas for max damage. As you've just pointed out the force of the punches was enough to destroy hills when an object carrying that force was sent smashing through them. Also a lot of that has to do with the nature of Ichigo's attacks.

Remember in the Precipice World when Aizen ran into the Cleaner, Gin said something like "you can't defeat that thing with spirit pressure, it exists on the side of reason" and Aizen destroyed it. Dangai Ichigo didn't have to follow certain rules of logic, for example Aizen's kido apparently had gravity much MUCH stronger than what Goku experienced on King Kai's planet but Ichigo smashed through it and it looked like an aura was surrounding him. It was most likely because he'd ascended to some sort of higher form where like the Cleaner kido no longer affected him, which is why Aizen couldnt feel him.

Same thing goes for the hill. When Ichigo blocked the attack it didn't look like it got destroyed by pure force, it looked like it almost warped away, which is why everyone uses the verb "erased." Ichigo essentially removed its existence.

Ok I would accept your point about speed because I just argued against someone else the other day about not being able to use calcs for instantaneous movements, but it doesn't work here. DBZ and Bleach operate on different magnitudes of speed.

You are remembering incorrectly about speed feats in Dragon Ball I just pointed out the turning point of the series. When Goku trained with Mr. Popo he became faster than lightning. That is where he surpassed the HST.

Shunpo is very high speed movement from one place to another but other than carry someone have you ever seen anyone perform other actions while using the technique. Back in Dragon Ball, Krillin and Jackie Chun fought, played a game of rock-paper-scissors, and I think took a nap or had some tea or something, all before it registered for the audience. Mr. Popo managed to scratch Goku (after years of training) before he could even feel it, and this wasn't like when Kenpachi cut that fullbringer in half, Goku's reaction feats were already top tier for the HST. This is all a testament to their movement speeds.

[joon61]

Goku being faster than lightning means that he is faster than the speed of light no?

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by joon61

Goku being faster than lightning means that he is faster than the speed of light no?

Yes, but your argument alone is not enough to conclude that!!!

You see, light is faster than lightning. So, if Goku was just barely faster, he would not be faster than light!!!

[Nigoyukai]

Saiyan Saga was at moon busting capabilities, with casual multi-mountain busting ki blasts.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by joon61

Goku being faster than lightning means that he is faster than the speed of light no?

Lightning is only 1/10th the speed of light.