Madara and Danzo

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Spoiler:

ok i kno i already posted this in a few threads but i wanted to share it with every1 and see wat they think about it

ok here goes: i think that maby there was another reason itachi wasnt leeting madara get close to sasuke..........itachi was a smart guy...bt then so is madara ................i think that madara was using sasuke all along .......he knew thaat sauke wuld kill itachi and he had already started planing what to do next.........when madara found out that nagato was unable to destroy the village he stated that its time to implement the moon's eye Plan .......i think angering sasuke against the village and espescially the hokage(danzo) was a part of his plan.....he knew that if he did that sasuke will be hellbent on reveng and will eventually kill danzo.....and i think thats his moon's eye....................KONOHA IN RUINS ....ALMOST NO MILLITARY POWER ........NO POLITICAL POWER TOO (AFTER THE HOKAGE IS MUDERED).ALSO ANGERING SASUKE AGAINST Against the KAGES AND ASKING HIM TO KILL THEM WULD THEREBY PUT OTHER COUNTRIES IN TURMOIL TOO(READ IN REFERENCE TO END OF THE POST) ....................I THINK THAT THE MOONS EYE PLAN REFERS TO MADARA REBUILDING KONOHA FROM SCRATCH AND CLAIMING POWER ON IT...................HE WULD DEMOLISH THE KAGE MONUMENT AND WIILL REESTABLISH KONOHA THAT WAS ALWYZ HIS DREAM UNTIL HASHIRAMA TOOK IT FROM HIM..............and i thin the original plan was try and and capture the nine tails so that once madara had all the tailed beast no one wuld be able to challenge his power ................nagato was originally supposed to destroy konoha and all its people and capture the nine tails so then madara culd use the tailed beasts power to not only control konoha (and rebuilt it in his honour) but also try and take over the other countries........................(i bet thats why nagato agreed with him because madara must have promised him that after he has power over other countries there will be no war AND ABSOLUT PEACE BECAUSE THE WORLD WILL BE UNITED UNDER ONE POWER)..........when naruto beat nagato that spoIled everythin and so madara decided to use sasuke as his pawn instead, angering him agaisnt konoha...........well thats just my theory u guyz can post yours and add anything to to this one if i frgt sumthing....(sorry if i wasnt able to present it right hope u guyz get what im tryin to say)

[Chronic]

wow that makes sense

[yondaime]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

ok i kno i already posted this in a few threads but i wanted to share it with every1 and see wat they think about it

ok here goes: i think that maby there was another reason itachi wasnt leeting madara get close to sasuke..........itachi was a smart guy...bt then so is madara ................i think that madara was using sasuke all along .......he knew thaat sauke wuld kill itachi and he had already started planing what to do next.........when madara found out that nagato was unable to destroy the village he stated that its time to implement the moon's eye Plan .......i think angering sasuke against the village and espescially the hokage(danzo) was a part of his plan.....he knew that if he did that sasuke will be hellbent on reveng and will eventually kill danzo.....and i think thats his moon's eye....................KONOHA IN RUINS ....ALMOST NO MILLITARY POWER ........NO POLITICAL POWER TOO (AFTER THE HOKAGE IS MUDERED).ALSO ANGERING SASUKE AGAINST Against the KAGES AND ASKING HIM TO KILL THEM WULD THEREBY PUT OTHER COUNTRIES IN TURMOIL TOO(READ IN REFERENCE TO END OF THE POST) ....................I THINK THAT THE MOONS EYE PLAN REFERS TO MADARA REBUILDING KONOHA FROM SCRATCH AND CLAIMING POWER ON IT...................HE WULD DEMOLISH THE KAGE MONUMENT AND WIILL REESTABLISH KONOHA THAT WAS ALWYZ HIS DREAM UNTIL HASHIRAMA TOOK IT FROM HIM..............and i thin the original plan was try and and capture the nine tails so that once madara had all the tailed beast no one wuld be able to challenge his power ................nagato was originally supposed to destroy konoha and all its people and capture the nine tails so then madara culd use the tailed beasts power to not only control konoha (and rebuilt it in his honour) but also try and take over the other countries........................(i bet thats why nagato agreed with him because madara must have promised him that after he has power over other countries there will be no war AND ABSOLUT PEACE BECAUSE THE WORLD WILL BE UNITED UNDER ONE POWER)..........when naruto beat nagato that spoIled everythin and so madara decided to use sasuke as his pawn instead, angering him agaisnt konoha...........well thats just my theory u guyz can post yours and add anything to to this one if i frgt sumthing....(sorry if i wasnt able to present it right hope u guyz get what im tryin to say)

that was a well thought out theory

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

thx

[Fan of Minato]

nice theory,
it makes sense,
and P.S. I think you should put a spoiler tag around that.

click the button that looks like this:
NOTE:not the smiley fact, but the button itself.

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by Fan of Minato

nice theory,
it makes sense,
and P.S. I think you should put a spoiler tag around that.

click the button that looks like this:
NOTE:not the smiley fact, but the button itself.

k.i was wondering how to put spoiler tag anywayz thx

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

hm i think the story that madara told sasuke was only half the truth i think there was another reason why itachi dint want madara to get close to sasuke ...........maby itachi knew sumthing about madara ............. as i said befor i think its only half the truth .......there is sumthing more that madara might be hiding from sasuke..................

[yondaime]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

hm i think the story that madara told sasuke was only half the truth i think there was another reason why itachi dint want madara to get close to sasuke ...........maby itachi knew sumthing about madara ............. as i said befor i think its only half the truth .......there is sumthing more that madara might be hiding from sasuke..................

could be

[Sage Of Six Paths]

A likely story.

But we're just going

to have to wait until the

manga chapter comes out,

now don't we?

[JPSM]

I think that everything that was said is plausible but, think in this Madara is a powerfull shinobi, the strongest of the Uchiha's, very ambicious, my guess is, or he was already going blind when he fought the first or someone helped the first (that we haven't heard yet....but that it's a very big plausible theory and very complex....)...to the point, Madara is defeated, to get his plan going, he need's spy's, inside Konoha, and there cames Danzo, a very ambicious person too, my guess is that Danzo is and was Madara's puppet (remember that Itachi didn't trusted Danzo either), Madara waited in silence for a Uchiha capable of using his technics, to purge his own clan (to avoid traitors, that would try to protect Konoha), Itachi was the perfect choice, cause he was the strongest, so he comanded Danzo to pick Itachi to that mission (and remember that Itachi learned a lot of technics by reading Madara's manuscrites inside the Uchiha shrine or whatever it was), but Itachi wasn't able to slain his little brother, and so Madara, used the sorrow, and will of revenge of Sasuke to his purpose...that's what I think...

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by JPSM

I think that everything that was said is plausible but, think in this Madara is a powerfull shinobi, the strongest of the Uchiha's, very ambicious, my guess is, or he was already going blind when he fought the first or someone helped the first (that we haven't heard yet....but that it's a very big plausible theory and very complex....)...to the point, Madara is defeated, to get his plan going, he need's spy's, inside Konoha, and there cames Danzo, a very ambicious person too, my guess is that Danzo is and was Madara's puppet (remember that Itachi didn't trusted Danzo either), Madara waited in silence for a Uchiha capable of using his technics, to purge his own clan (to avoid traitors, that would try to protect Konoha), Itachi was the perfect choice, cause he was the strongest, so he comanded Danzo to pick Itachi to that mission (and remember that Itachi learned a lot of technics by reading Madara's manuscrites inside the Uchiha shrine or whatever it was), but Itachi wasn't able to slain his little brother, and so Madara, used the sorrow, and will of revenge of Sasuke to his purpose...that's what I think...

yea i had thought that too before...........but then why did madara enrage sasuke to killl danzo ?and besides he culdnt be goin blind at that time because he had obtained the Eternal mangekyo sharingan befor he ffought hashirama....................

[JPSM]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

yea i had thought that too before...........but then why did madara enrage sasuke to killl danzo ?and besides he culdnt be goin blind at that time because he had obtained the Eternal mangekyo sharingan befor he ffought hashirama....................

I didn't remember that....but then what if the eternal mangekyo sharingan didn't improve his eye sight?his eye sight remained the same as before....and well, to the question about Danzo, well he now is the Hokage, he controls ANBU, and root, he himself became a lot powerfull than Madara, cause he controls the village and all the Shinobi's, in fact, what if Danzo betrayed Madara?played along Madara as if Madara had the control, but in fact he was after his own agenda??

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by JPSM

I didn't remember that....but then what if the eternal mangekyo sharingan didn't improve his eye sight?his eye sight remained the same as before....and well, to the question about Danzo, well he now is the Hokage, he controls ANBU, and root, he himself became a lot powerfull than Madara, cause he controls the village and all the Shinobi's, in fact, what if Danzo betrayed Madara?played along Madara as if Madara had the control, but in fact he was after his own agenda??

The EMS is the highest lvl of mangeykyo when you implant your bloodline' eye (has to be a mangeykyo too)(brother or sister usually)u get the EMS ...........madara and his brother izuna(i hope thats his name) wer the only ones who culd activate their EMS .....after sometime madara started to lose his eyesight......so he took izuna's eyes(acc to madara's story izuna gave them to him of his on will)
.......this gave him the EMS(eternal means that he will have the mangeykyo forever and never lose his eyesight ...there is a theory that it made him live forever but that culd just be a rumour)........................as for second part...........................yes the thing with danzo is very much possible...............i think that infact might be it

[JPSM]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

The EMS is the highest lvl of mangeykyo when you implant your bloodline' eye (has to be a mangeykyo too)(brother or sister usually)u get the EMS ...........

Could this be the way Danzo got his sharingan?receiving one of the damaged eyes from Madara? I personally think that Danzo learned about the way Kakashi got it from Kakashi's ANBU files, and used Rin to get to Obito's body and retrieve the other (that would explain the need to keep it cover, like Kakashi its always active and why we don't know nothing about Rin, Danzo could have killed her, to keep the intel secret)...but it would be so strange that Madara deceived Danzo, and that triggered a treason from Danzo?? (until the Manga explains that, there are too much possibilitys)...now I'm wondering a lot

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by JPSM

Could this be the way Danzo got his sharingan?receiving one of the damaged eyes from Madara? I personally think that Danzo learned about the way Kakashi got it from Kakashi's ANBU files, and used Rin to get to Obito's body and retrieve the other (that would explain the need to keep it cover, like Kakashi its always active and why we don't know nothing about Rin, Danzo could have killed her, to keep the intel secret)...but it would be so strange that Madara deceived Danzo, and that triggered a treason from Danzo?? (until the Manga explains that, there are too much possibilitys)...now I'm wondering a lot

lol ya ,me too ....................................hm u on to somthhing thr.......it isnt bad theory actually............they never did find out what happenend to Rin................................wow if waht u say does happen kakashi will be really pissed!

[hurcule]

About Madara's sharingan, I think it's more likely that Hashirama stabbed him through his left eye at some point in their big battle. That would be an all but guaranteed death if the blade went all the way through the head, which would lead Hashirama to think Madara dead, or it could have brought about Madara's loss in the battle since loss of an eye would take away some of his powers. It would also explain why he's been wearing a mask since before even the demon fox's rampage. I think that he originally wanted Nagato to use his powers and restore Madara's lost eye, bringing his lost powers back with it.

The moon's eye plan probably refers to restoring his sharingan, although he's gonna have to find a new way to do it now that Nagato is dead. In the picture where tobi's shows his sharingan for the first time (and revealing that he was Madara), talked about restoring his sharingan.

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by hurcule

About Madara's sharingan, I think it's more likely that Hashirama stabbed him through his left eye at some point in their big battle. That would be an all but guaranteed death if the blade went all the way through the head, which would lead Hashirama to think Madara dead, or it could have brought about Madara's loss in the battle since loss of an eye would take away some of his powers. It would also explain why he's been wearing a mask since before even the demon fox's rampage. I think that he originally wanted Nagato to use his powers and restore Madara's lost eye, bringing his lost powers back with it.

The moon's eye plan probably refers to restoring his sharingan, although he's gonna have to find a new way to do it now that Nagato is dead. In the picture where tobi's shows his sharingan for the first time (and revealing that he was Madara), talked about restoring his sharingan.

bout the first part in the manga they explain that madara hid his face (and cut his hair),disguised as tobi so people wuldnt recognize hiim..................a more liklier theory wuld be(this is vaan's actually).......that danzo was madara's student and his left eye was diven to danzo...........but i dnt kno there are a lot of possibilities

[JPSM]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

bout the first part in the manga they explain that madara hid his face (and cut his hair),disguised as tobi so people wuldnt recognize hiim..................a more liklier theory wuld be(this is vaan's actually).......that danzo was madara's student and his left eye was diven to danzo...........but i dnt kno there are a lot of possibilities

I have one guess about Tobi/Madara, and probably the moon's eye plan, for me is a good one...but i just don't know......as I said in other threads and even in this one, I believe that there was someone that helped the first with a kekke genkai that made Madara's sharingan useless, or less stronger, and so the first was able to beat him up...and so to protect himself, from this person, that have the capability of kill Madara, he created Tobi...I believe in this, cause just think... the first was dead, the second and the third, where weaker, but he didn't attacked Konoha then, even during the Kyuubi attack, when the yondaime sacrefices himself to give naruto the kyuubi, he doesn't claim the title of ruller....my guess is there is something or someone, hiding in Konoha, or that made his mission protect Konoha, that might be after Madara...and there it cames the moon's eye plan, if there is someone who saw this shinobi, was Madara, maybe the kekke genkai, is an eye form, like sharingan that looks like a moon....

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by JPSM

I have one guess about Tobi/Madara, and probably the moon's eye plan, for me is a good one...but i just don't know......as I said in other threads and even in this one, I believe that there was someone that helped the first with a kekke genkai that made Madara's sharingan useless, or less stronger, and so the first was able to beat him up...and so to protect himself, from this person, that have the capability of kill Madara, he created Tobi...I believe in this, cause just think... the first was dead, the second and the third, where weaker, but he didn't attacked Konoha then, even during the Kyuubi attack, when the yondaime sacrefices himself to give naruto the kyuubi, he doesn't claim the title of ruller....my guess is there is something or someone, hiding in Konoha, or that made his mission protect Konoha, that might be after Madara...and there it cames the moon's eye plan, if there is someone who saw this shinobi, was Madara, maybe the kekke genkai, is an eye form, like sharingan that looks like a moon....

hmmmm yea it is a good theory........................there is one more thing ................remb when yamato attacked tobi with the wood style it passed right though him..............well hashirama and the same style.............ao yea your theory does kinda make sense even ive started to think hashirama haad somthing/someone's help to beat madara...........and as for why he dint attack during the 3rd's or seconds time is because
Second:when he was appointed hokage the uchiha clan had just kicked out madara and the second had given the uchiha's special privilages madara knew his clan was against him and he culdnt beat every1 on his own
Third:he was still to weak and gathering people and resources(oh yea and bw the third was the strongest of the 3 hokages he beat both the 1st and 2nd when he fought orochimary........and that wasnt even quarter of his original strenght he had in his youth)
Fourth: i think after the fourth sealed the kyubii is when the akatsuki were formed to extract the beasts ,from their users madara knew the tailed beats wer the only one who wuld give him enough power to rule over the nations

but yea ur theory is preety good

[JPSM]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

hmmmm yea it is a good theory........................there is one more thing ................remb when yamato attacked tobi with the wood style it passed right though him..............well hashirama and the same style.............ao yea your theory does kinda make sense even ive started to think hashirama haad somthing/someone's help to beat madara...........and as for why he dint attack during the 3rd's or seconds time is because
Second:when he was appointed hokage the uchiha clan had just kicked out madara and the second had given the uchiha's special privilages madara knew his clan was against him and he culdnt beat every1 on his own
Third:he was still to weak and gathering people and resources(oh yea and bw the third was the strongest of the 3 hokages he beat both the 1st and 2nd when he fought orochimary........and that wasnt even quarter of his original strenght he had in his youth)
Fourth: i think after the fourth sealed the kyubii is when the akatsuki were formed to extract the beasts ,from their users madara knew the tailed beats wer the only one who wuld give him enough power to rule over the nations

but yea ur theory is preety good

thanks...Like I said once is a very big theory that covers a lot of lose ends......I start think on that Hashirama having some help when I start paying more attention to naruto series....both anime and manga, and its pretty obvious, its hard to beat a sharigan, even a awesome shinobi, probably wouldn't be able, remember what Itachi made to Kakashi, that Naruto only was able to injure sasuke, while in influence of the kyuubi, and even the Kyuubi seems to have a lot of respect/fear of the sharingan...so I start thinking it would be hard for the first to defeat Madara...I don't say that someting/someone had a great role in that battle, but it was a turning point for sure....probably the best thing is make a thread with the hole theory..cause its just to big...and makes more sense when you read all points....