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You appearently didn't read my post, I took off Temari and replaced her with Ino.
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Guren is the only threat on the HH team IMO
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Not really. Current Shino can probably get through it since, due to their previous fight, his bugs have metamorphed to avoid the crystals. Ino has mind destruction, and she can't avoid the poison gas and puppets forever.

Inoichi and Dan pretty much auto-lose to a kankuro body puppet-swap, and Shino's bugs can arguably consume their MTJ and ghost mid-flight if they hit the bug area. Ino is meh against both, but mind destruction should do nicely to beat Dan if he tries to body drop.

Guren's only hope is to mass AoE the crystal, and even then theres plenty of ways to avoid or overcome it. Once Kankuro poisons her, thats game. Once Shino starts bug dome, theoretically, thats game. Ino can bypass her defence and mindrape her, so thats also game.


In a teamfight, even moreso. Ino has been shown to transfer into two people at once, and having them stand still while Kank gets them in puppets or Shino swarms them is the way to go. On top of that, Kankuro and Shino complement eachother very nicely in that Bugs and puppets share a purpose of denying escapes to the opponent. Between them, and Ino's ability to heal and basic knowledge of how the MTJ works, I don't see them losing.
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Not really. Current Shino can probably get through it since, due to their previous fight, his bugs have metamorphed to avoid the crystals. Ino has mind destruction, and she can't avoid the poison gas and puppets forever.

Inoichi and Dan pretty much auto-lose to a kankuro body puppet-swap, and Shino's bugs can arguably consume their MTJ and ghost mid-flight if they hit the bug area. Ino is meh against both, but mind destruction should do nicely to beat Dan if he tries to body drop.

Guren's only hope is to mass AoE the crystal, and even then theres plenty of ways to avoid or overcome it. Once Kankuro poisons her, thats game. Once Shino starts bug dome, theoretically, thats game. Ino can bypass her defence and mindrape her, so thats also game.


In a teamfight, even moreso. Ino has been shown to transfer into two people at once, and having them stand still while Kank gets them in puppets or Shino swarms them is the way to go. On top of that, Kankuro and Shino complement eachother very nicely in that Bugs and puppets share a purpose of denying escapes to the opponent. Between them, and Ino's ability to heal and basic knowledge of how the MTJ works, I don't see them losing.
OK first off I don't appreciate how everyone just wrote me off like, that....and you shall pay dearly for it lol, jk, but seriously you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

However there are many things wrong with this and the first thing could be that Shino's bugs are not immune being turned into crystal, since by the rules it was they have no knowledge, which means that this is the first time, they have ever met which means that guren could still ctystalize his bugs. Also Shino's bugs where only strong enough to help Kakashi just barely make it through her crystal, so even is Shino were to survive after their fist encounter, his bugs really wouldn't do him much good.

Secondly, don't assume that my plan is to have Inoichi leave his body, because it's not. Inoichi is an expert Senor ninja who can speak to his team mated telepathically so, he could spot the fake Kankuro from he real one and warn his team mates, which one he is, plus if Guren Ran into Kankuro his little puppet trick wouldn't work because unlike the guy who simply tried to break Kankuro's neck, Guren would cystalize both the puppet and the puppet master, so he is still screwed.

As for Dan, he could be just find, since Guren could use the Crimson fruit and make crystal clones to protect Dan's body, who I will remind you are able to use the crystal release as well and Dan could simply just kill all of them, since in his ghost form, he is super fast, can can't be touched, while he himself can touch others.

Inoichi has mind destruction jutsu and could sense them coming from miles away, so anyone who even tries to confront him would be dealt with.

Ino, as much as love her, would be easy to deal with, if she came into contact with any of them.

My team, can be surprised and they know exactly where all of your team members are, thanks to Inoichi. Dan's and unstoppable speed demon who wouldn't waste any of his jutsu time since he knows exactly where to go and Guren's power would allow her team mates to be well protected, while screwing your team over.
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Assuming Shino's bug wouldn't survive the ecounter despite growth and the fact that they had encoutered once before. Reversing metamorphisis isn't something possible. No knowledge doesn't change feats. As great as Inoichi is, he doesn't have sensing capabilities, hence the gentlemen connected to the devices feeding him info. Above it, Inoichi "spot the fake one"?. Before or after someone has died?


If you want to bring this info to the table, I'll need references. Guren's power doesn't stop mind attacks, bugs that have already adapted, and poison gas would take care of most of it. If its airtight, they suffocate long before the poison wears off. If it isn't, they get poisoned.

Sorry, distracted and can't commit fully to the debate atm. I'll pick your post apart fully in a bit.
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Assuming Shino's bug wouldn't survive the ecounter despite growth and the fact that they had encoutered once before. Reversing metamorphisis isn't something possible. No knowledge doesn't change feats. As great as Inoichi is, he doesn't have sensing capabilities, hence the gentlemen connected to the devices feeding him info. Above it, Inoichi "spot the fake one"?. Before or after someone has died?


If you want to bring this info to the table, I'll need references. Guren's power doesn't stop mind attacks, bugs that have already adapted, and poison gas would take care of most of it. If its airtight, they suffocate long before the poison wears off. If it isn't, they get poisoned.

Sorry, distracted and can't commit fully to the debate atm. I'll pick your post apart fully in a bit.
OK first off Inoichi does have sensing abilities, he showed himself to have them during the Pain arc when he was telling them exactly what Naruto was doing when he met up with Pain. As for the machine, if you actually knew anything about the machine, you'd know that it only makes his power stronger, implying that he can do it on his own. the machine was only there for him to be able to talk to and keep track of the thousands of people on the war field, so I'm pretty sure that on his own, he can handle talking to two people and keeping up with three others.

No crystals cannot block mind jutsu's but all of Ino's jutsu's other than mind destruction are mid ranged, while Guren's are long ranged, not to mention that if Ino accidentally used mind body switch or mind clones Guren's crystal clones, they would shatter and Ino would be stuck outside of her body for several minutes, leaving her open to be killed.

The reason I say that Shino's bugs would not be Immune to Gurens crystal at the beginning of the battle, is because it's just common sense, if you have no knowledge of something, it means you have never encountered it before so how can Shino's bugs be immune to a justu's they've never encountered, I understand what you are trying to say, but just doesn't work that, you can't in the world of Naruto have no knowledge of a jutsu you've encountered before and since we have no knowledge that means that by the rules in this thread they have never met. And even so it would take Shino's bugs forever to eat through Guren's Crystal since they could barely do it in their first encounter, they were only able to weaken it, just enough to let Kakashi use his lightning blade to barely get through it and since none of your team members have any attack as strong as Kakashi's lightning blade, it will be taking them forever to get through.

As for Kankuro, even if Inoichi didn't warn Guren, he would still be a goner and why, because when Kankuro uses his puppet trick, he is on the puppets back, so once again, unlike the Guy who thought he broke Kankuro's neck and got caught up, when Guren Cystalized him everything would be crystalized so even with that, Kankuro still dies before he can poison her.

and on top of that, there is no way for any of your team members to stop Dan in time for every single last one of them to make it out alive and that's only if he doesn't manage to kill all of them.

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OK first off Inoichi does have sensing abilities, he showed himself to have them during the Pain arc when he was telling them exactly what Naruto was doing when he met up with Pain.

So he can sense whats ocurring in one area, but can he do it when he doesn't know where to sense from? Also, as shown, bugs like the aburame jam sensing abilities via Ambush squad chapters. Inoichi is pretty much useless in this one.


As for the machine, if you actually knew anything about the machine, you'd know that it only makes his power stronger, implying that he can do it on his own.

I need some feats to show how savvy he is on it. Also, read above.

the machine was only there for him to be able to talk to and keep track of the thousands of people on the war field, so I'm pretty sure that on his own, he can handle talking to two people and keeping up with three others.


See above two.

No crystals cannot block mind jutsu's but all of Ino's jutsu's other than mind destruction are mid ranged, while Guren's are long ranged, not to mention that if Ino accidentally used mind body switch or mind clones Guren's crystal clones, they would shatter and Ino would be stuck outside of her body for several minutes, leaving her open to be killed.

No knowledge means theres no reason to assume she would just happen to have a crystal clone. Also, its not like Kankuro can't protect her. Also it'll be hard for Guren to avoid the jutsu when she's taking in a cloud of poison.



The reason I say that Shino's bugs would not be Immune to Gurens crystal at the beginning of the battle, is because it's just common sense, if you have no knowledge of something, it means you have never encountered it before so how can Shino's bugs be immune to a justu's they've never encountered.

No, no knowledge means if you look at them, you don't know what they are capable of. That doesn't mean that your feats are suddenly nonexistant. Shino's bugs underwent a natural metamorph, meaning that their bodies are permanently changed. No knowledge doesn't take away from that, otherwise in mirror matches (like kank vs kank), kankuro wouldn't be able to do anything since he "wouldn't have knowledge on kankuro".

Knowledge is knowledge, but standard equipment is subject to change if it remains a new standard. Shino's bugs evolved and this became a new form of standard equipment. Shino's bugs are immune.

I understand what you are trying to say, but just doesn't work that, you can't in the world of Naruto have no knowledge of a jutsu you've encountered before and since we have no knowledge that means that by the rules in this thread they have never met.

See above.


And even so it would take Shino's bugs forever to eat through Guren's Crystal since they could barely do it in their first encounter, they were only able to weaken it, just enough to let Kakashi use his lightning blade to barely get through it and since none of your team members have any attack as strong as Kakashi's lightning blade, it will be taking them forever to get through.


They don't have to eat through it, just as a note that Guren can't stop them. Mind transfer jutsu and poison will down Guren easily.


As for Kankuro, even if Inoichi didn't warn Guren, he would still be a goner and why, because when Kankuro uses his puppet trick, he is on the puppets back, so once again, unlike the Guy who thought he broke Kankuro's neck and got caught up, when Guren Cystalized him everything would be crystalized so even with that, Kankuro still dies before he can poison her.

Too bad she is downed before then. Poison gas is a done deal, and so is MTJ. Plus kankuro's attack would be a counter to inoichi himself, trying to MTJ in only to be stuck in a puppet. Dan as well, since he'd basically be dead as well by the same merit.

and on top of that, there is no way for any of your team members to stop Dan in time for every single last one of them to make it out alive and that's only if he doesn't manage to kill all of them.

We haven't seen Dan's attack, and since Shino's bugs would eat it, Dan would kill himself trying to use it. He projects his soul as a body of chakra, and the bugs eat chakra. Meaning Dan is dead via shino. Also Kankuro can just poison his real body, and Ino can just do whatever she wants...

But MTJing into his body and making him die that way would work. Without a body to tie the soul to, since hers would be in it, he would go the way of a ghost and ascend.

No assumptions, just facts.

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OK so basically what you are saying is that even though, he knows, nothing about Inoichi, he can somehow know to try and jam his sensing abilities even though it was shown that when Naruto and the others were trying to catch up with Sasuke and Shino was among them in the group and I mention this, only because Karin is senor as well, that his bugs did jack squat to her sensing abilities.

Even so check the Pain, arc and you'll see I believe you will see it on either episode 157, 169 and possibly 175 on how good his sensing abilities are.

Along with that among his jutsu's are the Sensing System Technique and the Chakra Sensing Technique which states in the chakra sensing Technique that the user can sense when the enemies are approaching and track them down, so what makes your team immune to this at all?


as for this whole no knowledge business, so let me get this straight, somehow, he has no knowledge of her which means he knows nothing about what she can do, but somehow magically his bugs became immune to jutsu he has no knowledge of. So to my understanding, if we had no knowledge of the flu, we would somehow be able to instantly have flu shot, even though there no possible way that we should since we have no knowledge of it? The point is that it is impossible for you be immune to something you have no knowledge of.

as for your Kankuro vs Kankuro example, no knowledge would not mean that he doesn't know anything it would just mean that he doesn't know that other kankuro can do the exact same things as he can.

First off Ino doesn't have to be killed by Guren, even though she could, Dan could kill her and before you go on about that whole Dan's body would be left helpless, first off, they would have to find Dan's body first and then somehow get through the crimson fruit and past possibly two or more crystal release baring clones....and you honestly believe that they would be able to do this so easily.

You keep saying that MTJ would leave Inoichi wide open, but I keep telling you that he would not be using it, he would be using MDJ which is totally different dog. Plus if they go about it the way that you are planning, they would easily be taken out by a Crystal Release: Jade Crystal Wall Eighth Formation which was big enough to hold the three tails and strong enough to hold it, even if it was just a few seconds and doubt that any of them are at the level of a Bijuu.

We may not have seen Dan's attack, but was explained and it was shown that he was faster than both, lee and guy put together once he was in that ghost form and as much as Shino's bugs might make sense, it clarly say that the only way to stop Dan is to use a jutsu such as Four Violet Flames Battle Encampment before he is able to use his jutsu, so I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

You say Kankuro would kill Guren with poison gas, well how is he going to be able to use it, when his puppets has already been destroyed, before Kankuro could even get his puppet in range to do any such thing they'd be crushed by Gurens crystal release, more specifically, the growing thorns.

Shino get's dealt with via mind destruction jutsu and tearing crystal dragon.

If Ino tried to take over Dan's body to have Kanuro kill him, then she would only be killing herself since the MTJ inflicts the same damage on the users body that has been done to the possessed body, so if Dan dies, so does Ino.

Guren could just use the Crystal Release: Jade Crystal Labyrinth Technique, fill it with crystal clones, while her Dan and Inoichi waste outside of it, until you team uses up all of or most o their chakra fighting crystal release baring clones. and then come in for the kill when they are weak.

So basically, my team will always know where your team is, one of my team members you'll never know rather you're fighting the real thing or just wasting your time on clone and the last one, you'll have to attempt to find his body before you can even try anything to stop him.

And as for that last little comment of yours, I'm sorry to have inconvenienced you with task of having to type out a reply, I guess I was under the strange impression that it was what you were supposed to do.

Now odds are I won't be online this weekend so I may not be able to reply to you that quickly for your next post, good day and have nice weekend.
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OK so basically what you are saying is that even though, he knows, nothing about Inoichi, he can somehow know to try and jam his sensing abilities even though it was shown that when Naruto and the others were trying to catch up with Sasuke and Shino was among them in the group and I mention this, only because Karin is senor as well, that his bugs did jack squat to her sensing abilities.

Shino had no idea that Karin was with them, however in this instance Kankuro's experience as an ambush squad commander would have him set up shino's jamming bugs in order to make a defensable position. Not to mention the bugs provide scouting, a double feature against the other team relying on means that have been shown to be jammed.



Even so check the Pain, arc and you'll see I believe you will see it on either episode 157, 169 and possibly 175 on how good his sensing abilities are.

Still not impressed personally, so shino's bugs handle it.



Along with that among his jutsu's are the Sensing System Technique and the Chakra Sensing Technique which states in the chakra sensing Technique that the user can sense when the enemies are approaching and track them down, so what makes your team immune to this at all?

Shino's bugs, as shown.


as for this whole no knowledge business, so let me get this straight, somehow, he has no knowledge of her which means he knows nothing about what she can do, but somehow magically his bugs became immune to jutsu he has no knowledge of. So to my understanding, if we had no knowledge of the flu, we would somehow be able to instantly have flu shot, even though there no possible way that we should since we have no knowledge of it? The point is that it is impossible for you be immune to something you have no knowledge of.


If shino had the flu shot previous, then he would be immune to the flu. This is assuming that, like evolution, the flu shot would be a permanent addition. Yes, even without knowledge, the bugs have evolved so they are stuck as they are and continuing to adapt. By all means and purposes, the bugs are the same as Minato's kunai with the odd shape. They are an adaptation to a standard item, and since its only used it becomes standard equipment.

Shino's bugs have immunity, even without knowledge, because its the way that they evolved.


as for your Kankuro vs Kankuro example, no knowledge would not mean that he doesn't know anything it would just mean that he doesn't know that other kankuro can do the exact same things as he can.

What I'm saying is if we disregard feats and standard equipment under the idea of "no knowledge = no feats", then kankuro would be useless.


First off Ino doesn't have to be killed by Guren, even though she could, Dan could kill her and before you go on about that whole Dan's body would be left helpless, first off, they would have to find Dan's body first and then somehow get through the crimson fruit and past possibly two or more crystal release baring clones....and you honestly believe that they would be able to do this so easily.

With shino's bugs everywhere jamming the possible sensor ninja, Dan's soul gets eaten long before it even reaches my team.

You keep saying that MTJ would leave Inoichi wide open, but I keep telling you that he would not be using it, he would be using MDJ which is totally different dog. Plus if they go about it the way that you are planning, they would easily be taken out by a Crystal Release: Jade Crystal Wall Eighth Formation which was big enough to hold the three tails and strong enough to hold it, even if it was just a few seconds and doubt that any of them are at the level of a Bijuu.

A weakened Bijuu, mind you, and Ino did basically the same thing to an equivalent power vs the gold and silver brothers by MTJing into one of them and supressing them. Guren would be essentially a nonfactor. MDJ would mean someone is attacking someone else. Kankuro's chakra strings would be an easy way to remedy it, if it ever actually reaches them.

We may not have seen Dan's attack, but was explained and it was shown that he was faster than both, lee and guy put together once he was in that ghost form and as much as Shino's bugs might make sense, it clarly say that the only way to stop Dan is to use a jutsu such as Four Violet Flames Battle Encampment before he is able to use his jutsu, so I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

If his soul is made up of chakra (assumable, since it disappeared after refreshing Tsunade's chakra), then it can be eaten by bugs. Even things like chakra strings could be eaten, so I'm afraid until I see some actual feats, I can't accept word of mouth as evidence. I need proof to back the ideal.


You say Kankuro would kill Guren with poison gas, well how is he going to be able to use it, when his puppets has already been destroyed, before Kankuro could even get his puppet in range to do any such thing they'd be crushed by Gurens crystal release, more specifically, the growing thorns.

Crow, salamander, black ant, and so on have been shown to be able to defy gravity and function as smaller pieces. All I'll really need is crow though, the poison ball would be shot out and, even it if collides with a thorn, it'll continue in the direction it was fired at (if there is no wind).

Shino get's dealt with via mind destruction jutsu and tearing crystal dragon.

MDJ gets dealt with without a problem, and Guren is a nonfactor via any of the three sources.


If Ino tried to take over Dan's body to have Kanuro kill him, then she would only be killing herself since the MTJ inflicts the same damage on the users body that has been done to the possessed body, so if Dan dies, so does Ino.

She wouldnt have to have Kankuro kill him, if he is out of his own body and a new soul occupies it, he loses his connection to his chakra and goes the way of most Edo ghosts after getting closure, i.e. ascention. Not to mention she could just release back to her own body after Dan is caught. She also has healing.


Guren could just use the Crystal Release: Jade Crystal Labyrinth Technique, fill it with crystal clones, while her Dan and Inoichi waste outside of it, until you team uses up all of or most o their chakra fighting crystal release baring clones. and then come in for the kill when they are weak.

Assuming that technique reaches them at all, Shino just has his bugs eat through a wall and they leave it. Guren then wastes tons of chakra trying to kill the nothing inside of the dome while Kankuro sips some tea.


So basically, my team will always know where your team is, one of my team members you'll never know rather you're fighting the real thing or just wasting your time on clone and the last one, you'll have to attempt to find his body before you can even try anything to stop him.

My team is defended from all 3 by bug dome and evolutions, with poison and mind control as a benefit. My bugs will be more reliable at scouting and once they are done, its all a matter of MTJing into 2/3 of your team, having them puff on some poison gas, and transferring out.


And as for that last little comment of yours, I'm sorry to have inconvenienced you with task of having to type out a reply, I guess I was under the strange impression that it was what you were supposed to do.

Normally I wouldn't mind, but I would rather it be something difficult to reply to. You'll need to step up your game, since I haven't even really done into much detail and one of my members breaks your entire strategy. I'd be pressed to say that Shino could possibly solo.


Now odds are I won't be online this weekend so I may not be able to reply to you that quickly for your next post, good day and have nice weekend.
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Alright, you don't have to be impressed by it, because I don't need Inoich's sensing abilities to be able to find your team anyway because I have Guren's Telescope Technique anyway.

What I am saying is that is is impossible for you to have encountered something that you have no knowledge of, so why some strange factor, even though he has no knowledge what so ever, his bugs somehow encountered the crystal release, got cystalized and became immune.

I'm not saying that there are no feats, however, when it comes to things like, let's say we are having a Sakura vs Sasori rematch and they have no knowledge of each other, but somehow,even though Sakura knows, nothing about Sasori at all, she somehow still has his antidote to his poison, then no she shouldn't have that from the beginning and I'm not saying that Shino's bugs would never be immune, but when it comes to things like that, where you clearly need to have had some kind of knowledge of the person somehow to be able to have certain things, then I'm not really buying into this whole just because he has no knowledge doesn't mean that it didn't happen, because it makes no sense how Sino's bugs can be immune to Guren's crystals right from the beginning when he has no knowledge of her, just it would make no sense to how Sakura would have an antidote for Sasori's poison is she had not knowledge on him what so ever.

and lastly on that, note, that is what pop decided to do, because I didn't want people having the same characters anyway because any argument you made for one of them was an argument made for or against both of them so I saw no point in you helping you opponent and then hurting yourself with whatever you had to say about said character, but since he was the posting the thread he said he didn't find it fair that people had to change their characters so here we are.

that's just fine because Gurens Telescope Technique can keep up with them just fine.

As for any of your team members handling MDJ, if you knew anything about, it, you would know that it isn't just for making people attack each other, you'd know that it is a long range, wide range move that disconnect the persons consciousnesses from their will and give the user control over their body.

So basically it goes, like this, Shino's bugs could no longer leave Shino's body since Shino can no longer command them to do anything, Kankuro and Ino are basically just left standing there and a free to be attacked by anyone.

As for Kankuro's poison, it won't last forever and it's pretty simple to stay away from he giant purple cloud and it's not like the girl is incapable of holding her breath, plus she could protect herself and her team mates with he crimson fruit if she had to.

Even is Shino's bugs where immune to Guren's crystal it does not mean that they wouldn't be able to be crystalized, it only means that they would be able to slowly eat their way out, which would take them forever from what I saw and by feats only a small group of Shino's bugs would be able to to it, not all of them, because as it showed, only some of the bugs that were crystalized were able to lay eggs an only those bugs from those eggs were able to eat through Guren's crystal.

As for Dan's jutsu, he didn't disappear because he gave Tsunade chakra, he disappeared because Edo Tensei jutsu had been released and he only had short time to be out there before he was returned to being dead.

If Guren used Crystal Release: Jade Crystal Wall Eighth Formation, there would be absolutely no way for any of your team members to move, not to mention that they would die because if one simple thing and that is that when Guren dissolves her crystal, anything she has crystalized with it, dissolves along with it so before any of them can even get out all Guren has to do is dissolve it.

As for the Silver and Gold bother, they may have been like Jinchuuiki, but they were not and they were not as strong as the three tails, even if it was weakened.

Ino would be useless because is she uses her mind jutsu's and they miss or they hit Guren's crystal first, she would be stuck outside of her body for several minutes

While it it true that Shino's bugs can slowly eat through Gurens crystal, the reason I say that Tearing Dragon can kill him, is because, his bugs can't eat through her crystal fast enough to dissolve the entire dragon before it hits him and kills him, there would be too much of it left.

As for your Dan Ino theory, there is no proof that it would actually work that way, the only way to stop Dan is A with the barrier or you kill his real body, otherwise it is assumable that he can return to it.

Making a dome of bugs wouldn't protect the team because Shino's bugs eat crystal too slow to be able to stop them from breaking through and hitting them, not to mention that Shino would be wasting a lot of chakra doing so.

I'm kind of busy right now so I'm pretty sure I missed something or forgot to write something down, but, eh, whatever I'll get to it later.

Lastly, just suck it up and reply to it I've had to reply to much worse in the past.
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tl;dr.

I was never a big fan of tournaments. Lets argue this in a different setting, I'm interested but with the time constraints I have... Also I'm more preferred to handle these without a winner/loser, but with an opportunity to look deeper and explore the characters to the fullest.

Also, you are the only one I really care about debating in this tournament, so theres not much incentive to move onto the next round for me. I'll tip my hat here. Good show, but lets pick this back up next time. I'm off to work. Later, sugar.
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tl;dr.

I was never a big fan of tournaments. Lets argue this in a different setting, I'm interested but with the time constraints I have... Also I'm more preferred to handle these without a winner/loser, but with an opportunity to look deeper and explore the characters to the fullest.

Also, you are the only one I really care about debating in this tournament, so theres not much incentive to move onto the next round for me. I'll tip my hat here. Good show, but lets pick this back up next time. I'm off to work. Later, sugar.
I'm not going to lie to you, I haven't really been paying this much attention, like I should.
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