Suigetsu vs Neji

[ByakuganAlex]

Location: desert
who wins?

[Kuromaki]

Neji tries to do 64 Palms. Suigetsu turns into water and then cuts his head off. Neji does Rotation. Either the sheer force of the sword gets through his defense or Suigetsu waits and then cuts his head off. Suigetsu can just replenish himself with his water bottles if he becomes tired due to the location, and even then he can turn into water if Neji tries to attack him then or he can wield the sword one handed and cut Neji's head off.

[Slack 40]

if suigetsu turns to water the water would be quickly absorbed in the sand. The waterbottle won't last suigetsu long, since a normal person won't last long in the desert with just a waterbottle and suigetsu seems to dehydrate faster. Neji should be faster then suigetsu and his sword will most likely break if he slams it against rotation leaving suigetsu with only water based moves. If neji hits him multiple times the water will go flying off of suigetsu and landing in the sand which will absorb it. If he turns his entire body into water he'll be absorbed by the sand.

The big thing here is the location. Suigetsu won't last long in a desert (whether it be like the Sahara desert or the arctic we have no proof suigetsu can replenish himself with ice)
If it were a place less dry then suigetsu would probably be able to win

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Slack 40

if suigetsu turns to water the water would be quickly absorbed in the sand. The waterbottle won't last suigetsu long, since a normal person won't last long in the desert with just a waterbottle and suigetsu seems to dehydrate faster. Neji should be faster then suigetsu and his sword will most likely break if he slams it against rotation leaving suigetsu with only water based moves. If neji hits him multiple times the water will go flying off of suigetsu and landing in the sand which will absorb it. If he turns his entire body into water he'll be absorbed by the sand.

The big thing here is the location. Suigetsu won't last long in a desert (whether it be like the Sahara desert or the arctic we have no proof suigetsu can replenish himself with ice)
If it were a place less dry then suigetsu would probably be able to win

What's stopping Suigetsu from absorbing it from the water again? Prove to me that Rotation is tough enough to break swords.

I suppose it depends on how hot the desert is, but if Suigetsu does lose it's only because he was placed in a location where he's at a clear disadvantage.

[Yellow Flash]

Kaiten couldn't even break a kunai, so how ill it break the executioner blade? Besides, even if it does break, all Suigetsu has to do is draw some blood from Neji and it's as good as new.

[Frost ninja]

Well theres an issue, suigetsu doesn't have exe. blade, kakashi does.
Also if he turns into water, whats stopping neji from poking the water drops and preventing him from reforming?

He's had issues with forming back before from his lack of chakras iirc after the KB fight... So chakra pokes woulda kinda ruin it.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Well theres an issue, suigetsu doesn't have exe. blade, kakashi does.
Also if he turns into water, whats stopping neji from poking the water drops and preventing him from reforming?

He's had issues with forming back before from his lack of chakras iirc after the KB fight... So chakra pokes woulda kinda ruin it.

Neji's not going to be able to poke every single drop before, say, Suigetsu cuts his head off. And what exactly can that do against water?

Suigetsu now has a samurai sword. He was shown holding one when he was explaining the swordsmen to Jugo. Although Zabuza's sword can be considered standard equipment for him.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Neji's not going to be able to poke every single drop before, say, Suigetsu cuts his head off. And what exactly can that do against water?

Suigetsu now has a samurai sword. He was shown holding one when he was explaining the swordsmen to Jugo. Although Zabuza's sword can be considered standard equipment for him.

Can it though? The existance of another exe. blade would be impossible, at least by story standards.

Likewise Neji, in the kidomaru fight, Neji hit many other things with percision. Hitting a collection of drops or say... using his rotation to scatter the water thus not allowing suigetsu to recollect. Unless you have feats of him patching together when he isn't a gathering of water?

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Neji tries to do 64 Palms. Suigetsu turns into water and then cuts his head off. Neji does Rotation. Either the sheer force of the sword gets through his defense or Suigetsu waits and then cuts his head off. Suigetsu can just replenish himself with his water bottles if he becomes tired due to the location, and even then he can turn into water if Neji tries to attack him then or he can wield the sword one handed and cut Neji's head off.

How can Suigetsu turn into water while his chakra points are being blocked? When his chakra points are blocked his water bottles won't work. Also Neji would have to be unbelievably dumb to use rotation when Suigetsu is not attacking just to be hit when it's over. Looking back at part 1 chunin exams, naruto and hinata had a hard time even touching Neji. Here it would be the same case if Suigetsu tried to attack with his sword and his projectiles shouldn't be hard to dodge/block with rotation.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Can it though? The existance of another exe. blade would be impossible, at least by story standards.

Likewise Neji, in the kidomaru fight, Neji hit many other things with percision. Hitting a collection of drops or say... using his rotation to scatter the water thus not allowing suigetsu to recollect. Unless you have feats of him patching together when he isn't a gathering of water?

Doesn't really matter as long as Suigetsu has something to cut Neji's head off with.

When he actually turns into water it would only be logical that some of it drips off but he's still perfectly fine after that. He doesn't typically turn his entire body into water either so really what stops him from running away, especially since he can still move? But unless Neji has knowledge of Suigetsu and knows to use rotation to scatter the water in the hopes that it will somehow help him, can use rotation right after doing 64 palms, or that the temperature is hot enough to evaporate Suigetsu right away, he's screwed.

Originally Posted by megabbaut

How can Suigetsu turn into water while his chakra points are being blocked? When his chakra points are blocked his water bottles won't work. Also Neji would have to be unbelievably dumb to use rotation when Suigetsu is not attacking just to be hit when it's over. Looking back at part 1 chunin exams, naruto and hinata had a hard time even touching Neji. Here it would be the same case if Suigetsu tried to attack with his sword and his projectiles shouldn't be hard to dodge/block with rotation.

Simple. He turns into water before Neji gets to block any points because the moment Neji hits him, he's prepared. Heck even before that he should be prepared for turning into water if he sees Neji trying to get close.

Suigetsu would kill Chunin Exams Naruto and Hinata at the same time, granted Naruto doesn't pull off Gamabunta or any of that crap before he gets killed. Therefore that is not a valid comparison.

[Frost ninja]

So how will suigetsu know to turn to water?
Also couldn't neji still disturb his chakra in water form by just pumping chakra into his pool?

That means no reforming and no dice on surviving.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

So how will suigetsu know to turn to water?
Also couldn't neji still disturb his chakra in water form by just pumping chakra into his pool?

That means no reforming and no dice on surviving.

He sees Neji trying to get in close range and it would be clear that Neji is some kind of close range fighter. Better yet he just moves out of the way.

He would need to get the chakra points to stop anything, what is having remains of his chakra just there gonna do.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

He sees Neji trying to get in close range and it would be clear that Neji is some kind of close range fighter. Better yet he just moves out of the way.

Air palm would decieve then.

He would need to get the chakra points to stop anything, what is having remains of his chakra just there gonna do.

Reference Kidomaru vs Neji. Chakra pump into the rope messed up kidomaru, neji didnt need to hit any points on him at that point of it. So, one can assume he can just pump chakra in and bust up "anything made up of chakra." After all he wrecked kidomaru web, so a water puddle made of someone's chakra would be amazing for Neji.

in red

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Simple. He turns into water before Neji gets to block any points because the moment Neji hits him, he's prepared. Heck even before that he should be prepared for turning into water if he sees Neji trying to get close.

Suigetsu would kill Chunin Exams Naruto and Hinata at the same time, granted Naruto doesn't pull off Gamabunta or any of that crap before he gets killed. Therefore that is not a valid comparison.

lol I knew you were gonna say Suigetsu>>>>>>>Chunin Exams Naruto and Hinata but that still doesn't disprove how Suigetsu will have trouble getting a hit on Neji. In part 2 there is no doubt that Neji got better at this so don't say Suigetsu>Neji. Also Neji can just hit the droplets to stop him from reforming. Not to mention that Suigetsu turning into water in a desert would be a really bad option. Especially if he runs out of water bottles. Just sayin.

[Kuromaki]

Air palm would decieve then.

And then whats Neji gonna do? Attack from afar?

Reference Kidomaru vs Neji. Chakra pump into the rope messed up kidomaru, neji didnt need to hit any points on him at that point of it. So, one can assume he can just pump chakra in and bust up "anything made up of chakra." After all he wrecked kidomaru web, so a water puddle made of someone's chakra would be amazing for Neji.

But can he do the same to water? I know what he did with the Water Prison too, but how does it stop Suigetsu from reforming?

Originally Posted by megabbaut

lol I knew you were gonna say Suigetsu>>>>>>>Chunin Exams Naruto and Hinata but that still doesn't disprove how Suigetsu will have trouble getting a hit on Neji. In part 2 there is no doubt that Neji got better at this so don't say Suigetsu>Neji. Also Neji can just hit the droplets to stop him from reforming. Not to mention that Suigetsu turning into water in a desert would be a really bad option. Especially if he runs out of water bottles. Just sayin.

Actually it does since Naruto having trouble with Neji doesn't mean Suigetsu will. Keep in mind that Suigetsu was fast enough to be able to intercept attacks from both the Raikage and Killer Bee, as well as keep up with Darui until he got hit by Raiton.

Good luck hitting tiny individual droplets while someone's trying to cut your head off, and yes that is why the fight is stacked in Neji's favor in the first place.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

And then whats Neji gonna do? Attack from afar?

But can he do the same to water? I know what he did with the Water Prison too, but how does it stop Suigetsu from reforming?

Actually it does since Naruto having trouble with Neji doesn't mean Suigetsu will. Keep in mind that Suigetsu was fast enough to be able to intercept attacks from both the Raikage and Killer Bee, as well as keep up with Darui until he got hit by Raiton.

Good luck hitting tiny individual droplets while someone's trying to cut your head off, and yes that is why the fight is stacked in Neji's favor in the first place.

He would spam the airpalm, that's what he's gonna do.

Of course he can do the same to water. Suigetsu's water is a chakra-built substance. Which, According to Neji, does not stand a chance against his gentle fist attacks. The Water Prison thing is an entirely different story. Neji used his One Blow Body jutsu to escape, just like he did with Kidomaru's webs.

The Raikage, Killer Bee, and Darui could dodge Suigetsu's attacks like they were nothing and just because Suigetsu was fast enough to intercept their attacks does not mean he is also faster than them and so his attacks are undodgable by any means. Not to mention that Neji can intercept Suigetsu's attacks as well, like he did with Hinata. And don't say just because Neji intercepted her attacks does not mean he can also intercept Suigetsu's and make me repeat myself that Neji got better at all of this in the timeskip.

Are you trying to say that Suigetsu will cut Neji's head off with water droplets? Because how the heck can Suigetsu cut Neji's head off while he's trying to reform? He can't use his sword at this moment because he is just a puddle lol

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

He would spam the airpalm, that's what he's gonna do.

Of course he can do the same to water. Suigetsu's water is a chakra-built substance. Which, According to Neji, does not stand a chance against his gentle fist attacks. The Water Prison thing is an entirely different story. Neji used his One Blow Body jutsu to escape, just like he did with Kidomaru's webs.

The Raikage, Killer Bee, and Darui could dodge Suigetsu's attacks like they were nothing and just because Suigetsu was fast enough to intercept their attacks does not mean he is also faster than them and so his attacks are undodgable by any means. Not to mention that Neji can intercept Suigetsu's attacks as well, like he did with Hinata. And don't say just because Neji intercepted her attacks does not mean he can also intercept Suigetsu's and make me repeat myself that Neji got better at all of this in the timeskip.

Are you trying to say that Suigetsu will cut Neji's head off with water droplets? Because how the heck can Suigetsu cut Neji's head off while he's trying to reform? He can't use his sword at this moment because he is just a puddle lol

Spamming air palm would do nothing because it just pushes Suigetsu away.

Actually stopping him from reforming is a different matter.

No duh, but those encounters show good feats for Suigetsu's speed and reaction speed. Did I say that he was faster than them? No. And once again you provide an invalid comparison because Suigetsu is better than Hinata in nearly every way, especially Part 1 Hinata. Neji would have gotten better during the timeskip but that still doesn't disprove my claims.

Yeah because Neji is somehow going to care about striking multiple tiny droplets before Suigetsu can do anything. Assuming that Suigetsu stands in one place, which is what we've been doing in this debate.

In the Kage Summit arc he was shown moving as a puddle btw.

[megabbaut]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Spamming air palm would do nothing because it just pushes Suigetsu away.

Actually stopping him from reforming is a different matter.

No duh, but those encounters show good feats for Suigetsu's speed and reaction speed. Did I say that he was faster than them? No. And once again you provide an invalid comparison because Suigetsu is better than Hinata in nearly every way, especially Part 1 Hinata. Neji would have gotten better during the timeskip but that still doesn't disprove my claims.

Yeah because Neji is somehow going to care about striking multiple tiny droplets before Suigetsu can do anything. Assuming that Suigetsu stands in one place, which is what we've been doing in this debate.

In the Kage Summit arc he was shown moving as a puddle btw.

So does Shinra Tensei, yet it leaves injuries.

No it's not. If Neji manages to strike the droplets, goodbye Suigetsu.

You may have not but he would have to be faster than Neji if he doesn't want his attacks to be dodged all the time. That would be invalid if Suigetsu was fighting PTS Neji but of course he's fighting Shippuden Neji which >>>>>>>>>> PTS so no, you still aren't disproving my claims either.

If Neji hits even one little droplet Suigetsu would start to deform as Neji keeps striking them. I do not see Suigetsu going anywhere with those droplets all over the place.

Neji can use his airpalm to stun Suigetsu if this happens.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

So does Shinra Tensei, yet it leaves injuries.

No it's not. If Neji manages to strike the droplets, goodbye Suigetsu.

You may have not but he would have to be faster than Neji if he doesn't want his attacks to be dodged all the time. That would be invalid if Suigetsu was fighting PTS Neji but of course he's fighting Shippuden Neji which >>>>>>>>>> PTS so no, you still aren't disproving my claims either.

If Neji hits even one little droplet Suigetsu would start to deform as Neji keeps striking them. I do not see Suigetsu going anywhere with those droplets all over the place.

Neji can use his airpalm to stun Suigetsu if this happens.

Shinra Tensei is just on a totally different level and it works slightly differently, so they can't compare.

Suigetsu doesn't take like an hour to reform. It's water. Plus he can still move while other parts of his body are turned into water. And with that, it'll be difficult for Neji to strike every single drop before Suigetsu cuts his head off. Neji doesn't even know about this ability right off the bat so why would he bother striking all the droplets. Not like they're going to do anything anyway.

Then why even bring up Chunin Exams characters if you're talking about Part 2?

[iDooom]

Oh yes, Neji does Eight Trigrams 8192 Palms, right? So he manages to hit every single tiny microscopic water droplet and also the water vapor. And of course he does this continuously until Sugietsu runs out of chakra.