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Old 10-26-2012, 10:03 PM   #81
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Without his cells.
Without ET

* Madara wouldn't have gotten the Rinnegan.
WIthout ET Madara would not be alive right now
* Orochimaru wouldn't have killed dozens of infants to try for them to use it.
by this logic
-Yamato would not be who he is
-Yamato would have not been able to tame Naruto in 4tails state
-Yamato would not have been able to help teach Naruto Rasen-Shuriken

* Obito's right side wouldn't be remade, thus not being able to start the war.
so by this logic
-Obito would not have been able to save Kakashi
-The mist ninja would have taken the MS sharigan
-The mist would have gotten their hands on Rin and kakashi
-Everything Kakashi has done would have never happened
-Guy would be weaker
-The leaf would be weaker and would have died
-No Shinobi Alliance
-Bijju's would not come together
-Gave Nagato the Rinnegan

So in way. Hashirama is the whole reason for Madara having the Rinnegan, which has godly powers.
Tobirama is the reason WHY Madara is Alive and can fight in this war and use the Rinnegan! The Tinnegan does not make him a god! Infiite chakra and the abiltiy to regnerat makes him a boss
Soooo tell me what good has ET done?
What positive achievement has ET accomplished?

Hashirama 's cells have complished a lot even though the bad things turned out to be goo things
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:43 AM   #82
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I agree that hashirama's cells have done bad things But because of those bad things good things have happened
Et did not start anything but it did not help the good guys at any time
Yes, you did you said the story would be boring without Kakashi.

Actually itachi would still have MS because Danzo would still be jealous of Hiruzen and trying to get the Uchiha power, therefore he cauld have still taken Shisui's eye and shisui still would have given Itachi his other eye, therefore he still would have has MS and even so if you forgot he made anbu at 13 so he was still very powerful. And so what if he was an Anbu/police, that doesn't mean that he can't change jobs, remember that Kakashi also used to be a anbu as well, but he became jonin senei now didn't he.

So how would Itachi, not be strong or fast enough to kill Haku or Zabuza when he had been better than Kakashi since was 13 and only got better from then on out? Minato could have taught his son the Reasengon, Kushina could have taught him seals or the chains, that along with this shadow clones could given him more than enough power to deal with Haku, hell Minato could have taught him the flying thunder god for all we know.

With the Uchiha's still alive Sasuke could have unlocked his sharingan a lot faster and actually had help with learning how to master it better than he did.

Itachi even without MS is a genjutsu god, Zabuza would have no chance and neither would Haku, they would have been just fine.

Obito's flash backs not Kakashi's, in the flash back when Obit was defeated twice by Guy in the Chunin exams, they showed that Minato was Hokage at the time.

Hiruzen became Hokage as a Teenager but he trained Jiraya, Tsunade and Ororchimaru as young man, so how did he train them before he became hokage? He didn't he trained them while he was active Hokage.

Itachi didn't need MS against Kakashi who was clearly outmatched even before MS came into the picture, he only did it to show Kakashi just how much weaker he was than him, plus all of those things wouldn't have even happened since Itachi would never have become a missing ninja.

Proof? really, OK let's see first off she told Naruto that no one liked her and that she hated them just as much they hated her, but she started to change the way she thought when Minato came to save her or and lets no forget how Mito told her that only thing that would cure, the pain, rage and loneliness was love.

How would Kushina not be able to relate, why because her father wasn't trying to kill her? Nobody was trying to kill Naruto either, minus Mizuki, Kushina was going to be kidnapped and no one care about her, they were going to let her be captured and she knew that, but she did not count on was Minato caring enough to come after her.

If Kushina's chains can handle Kurama then they can more than handle Shikakau, Kurama would have given her his power anyway, because A) if she dies, he dies too and B) he wouldn't have wanted to lose to Shukaku.

She would have been able to turn Gaara good because all that really turned Gaara good was seeing another person just like him being excepted by other which inspired him to try and do the same.

What did I just tell you I KNOW that id didn't help, I don't care, Hashirama's cells still did more harm, you say Yamato was good, but look at him now, captured and inside a Zestu making machine, helping the enemy.
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Yes, you did you said the story would be boring without Kakashi.
I did? I guess I was kiddin..... or maybe I was trying to say that the village would not be as strong!! The point is Kakashi would be dead and a lot of bad things would have happened!

Actually itachi would still have MS because Danzo would still be jealous of Hiruzen and trying to get the Uchiha power, therefore he cauld have still taken Shisui's eye and shisui still would have given Itachi his other eye, therefore he still would have has MS and even so if you forgot he made anbu at 13 so he was still very powerful. And so what if he was an Anbu/police, that doesn't mean that he can't change jobs, remember that Kakashi also used to be a anbu as well, but he became jonin senei now didn't he.
How does MS help Itachi beat Zabuza when they fight for the 2nd time? I would think that Itachi would disable Zabuza with Genjutsu Right off the bat but then Haku would trick Team Itachi and then Zabuza would close his eyes then use hidden mist right of the bat so that Itachi's sharigan would be useless!
Itachi could not teach saskue Chodori either! We do not even know if Itachi would be that good of a teacher! Naruto would not have learend Rasen-Shuriken! At best they would all be good at using genjutsu!
BTW -Usually family members do not teach each other.! What Sensi was releated to their students?????
Guy would not be SEVERLY weaker without a rival to fight!
Yamato would not have someone to look up to!
Kakashi was not afraid to kill unlike Itachi was. Without Hashirama cells means no Kakashi so the whole leaf village would have suffered


So how would Itachi, not be strong or fast enough to kill Haku or Zabuza when he had been better than Kakashi since was 13 and only got better from then on out? Minato could have taught his son the Reasengon, Kushina could have taught him seals or the chains, that along with this shadow clones(no shadow clones! Naruto would never have needed to steal the scroll) could given him more than enough power to deal with Haku, hell Minato could have taught him the flying thunder god for all we know.
Itachi had to PUSH himself fighting Kakashi! Itachi went to great lengths and pulled out Tskumoi to win the fight! Luckily for Itachi that Kakashi did not have knowledge on that level of genjutsu! Kakashi has better stamina and better knowledge and ninjutsu and taijutsu and dare I say speed as well! Kakashi was only weaker cuz he was getting use the the sharigan! Itachi is not that much better than Kakasi when itachi was 13!
Minato would have taught Naruto the rasengan... but it would take more time! Jiryria has shown to be a better teacher than Minato! Also Naruto would not have made that bet! Too bad Minato would not be able to teach Naruto Rasen-SHuriken!!!! REMEMBER!!! Naruto would not be able to make the shadow clones cuz his parents would be there to save him from the loninless! WOWOWOWOOOWO do you really think Naruto would be able to learn FTG.... as a gennin.... or even know???? With his genuis level!?! Minato would have more luck teaching it to Saskue or Kakashi. At the very least Kakashi and Jiryria would have helped Naruto learn how to use it.

With the Uchiha's still alive Sasuke could have unlocked his sharingan a lot faster and actually had help with learning how to master it better than he did.
FALSE!! Saskue would need to have a TRAMATIC experience to awaken the sharigan! Saskue was a happy kid with his family alive so it would have taken a LONGER time to awaken Sharigan
Itachi even without MS is a genjutsu god, Zabuza would have no chance and neither would Haku, they would have been just fine.
Zabzua uses Hidden Mist with his eyes closed.... GG

Obito's flash backs not Kakashi's, in the flash back when Obit was defeated twice by Guy in the Chunin exams, they showed that Minato was Hokage at the time.
chap n page number please

Hiruzen became Hokage as a Teenager but he trained Jiraya, Tsunade and Ororchimaru as young man, so how did he train them before he became hokage? He didn't he trained them while he was active Hokage.
I HIGLY doubt Hiruzen was a hokage as a teen.... that would mean Shikamaru could be hokage! Minato became hokage fastest and youngest!

Itachi didn't need MS against Kakashi who was clearly outmatched even before MS came into the picture, he only did it to show Kakashi just how much weaker he was than him, plus all of those things wouldn't have even happened since Itachi would never have become a missing ninja.
ummmm proof? Itachi use TS on Kakashi to defeat him.... MS is required to use TS
Proof? really, OK let's see first off she told Naruto that no one liked her and that she hated them just as much they hated her, but she started to change the way she thought when Minato came to save her or and lets no forget how Mito told her that only thing that would cure, the pain, rage and loneliness was love.
When I say proof can you give me the chapter at least?..Please? I wll go along with what you say is true but that still does not change anything! Kushina's loniless still does not measure up to what Garra had! And we have not seen her TnJ so we can not assume that it is on par! Plus Kushina would have been an older women and it would not be as relatable! So even if Garra was stopped he would still be evil! I do not see how Kushina would beat Garra!!!! Garra uses Sand shower/Sand Tsunami GG!! Kushina's pain does not even match Naruto's! Kushina had family like Mito

How would Kushina not be able to relate, why because her father wasn't trying to kill her? Nobody was trying to kill Naruto either, minus Mizuki, Kushina was going to be kidnapped and no one care about her, they were going to let her be captured and she knew that, but she did not count on was Minato caring enough to come after her.
Kushina had family members like Mtio uzuamki so she does not even share the same pain as Naruto!

If Kushina's chains can handle Kurama then they can more than handle Shikakau, Kurama would have given her his power anyway, because A) if she dies, he dies too and B) he wouldn't have wanted to lose to Shukaku.
Garra would not even have to use Shikakau! Garra's sand would stomp kushina!! Garra took went on B-rank missions without a scratch and defeated a lot of opponents. kushina would not even beat Lee

She would have been able to turn Gaara good because all that really turned Gaara good was seeing another person just like him being excepted by other which inspired him to try and do the same.
not to mention the speeches Naruto gave and his detmeination and his power
What did I just tell you I KNOW that id didn't help, I don't care, Hashirama's cells still did more harm, you say Yamato was good, but look at him now, captured and inside a Zestu making machine, helping the enemy.
With the "bad" parts of Hashirama cells

-Naruto would not have enough chakra to make as many shadow clones
-Naruto and Iruka would not be as close as they are
-Naruto would not have been a slakcer like his firends
-Naruto would have graduated ealier
-Naruto would not have the shadow clones
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