Spoiler Which Hokage caused the most trouble?

[Bazk]

Well without tobirama creating the police force holding the uchiha at bay they would just have attacked earlier ergo civial war with the uchiha mostly dead the other villages would use this do thier advantage and take over the leaf, since itachi wouldnt be old enough to stop the cival war
Tobirama>police force>Itachi>stoping civil war>stoping another war

[ObitoUchiha]

Tobirama! He made many people think of awful Tobi theories! He made everyone think I was just a sub-plot character!

[TheIndigoFang]

Hashirama. Yes, Tobirama created Edo, which killed a butt load o' people, but Hashi's cells basically made the Zetsus way more powerful.

[ObitoUchiha]

Originally Posted by TheIndigoFang

Hashirama. Yes, Tobirama created Edo, which killed a butt load o' people, but Hashi's cells basically made the Zetsus way more powerful.

Yes, in power they went from tearing a piece of paper to using any means necessary to take down a dummy. A dummy which can manipulate thoughts... actually...

All Hashi's cells do to Zetsus are the ability to MAKE many of them. They have almost zero powers themselves, Tobirama's Edo is what made them powerful.

All Hashi did in regards to Edo is the fact that, without him, Me and Kabuto would kill thousands of POW's ourselves and Edo THEM.

However, Hashi's cells allow for the lone pair of Rinnegan circling around the ninja world... wait. HOW did Kabuto give the jinchuuriki their Rinnegans...? Only one ninja has had a circulating pair besides them. And what about the six peins?! Nagato's rinnegan are Madara's eyes!!

[Maruko]

Originally Posted by TheIndigoFang

Hashirama. Yes, Tobirama created Edo, which killed a butt load o' people, but Hashi's cells basically made the Zetsus way more powerful.

His cells kept Madara alive in the first place. xD

[Bazk]

yeah if we look at it
tobirama edo tensei killed about lets say 10000 people in this war for the fun of it
Harishamas cells the zetzus killed 30000k people instead and its thanks to him that obito is alive and madara is alive and they are the reason behind this war

[Shikamaru Nara]

Tsunade. Both of those choices are incorrect.

[WishfulFairie]

Tsunade? How did Tsunade help the enemy?

[DrKage]

Tobirama in a landslide.

Yeah so Hashirama's cells kept Madara alive and kept Obito around and made the Zetsu's. But without Edo Tensei, it's arguable none of this happens. Orochimaru probably doesn't kill Hiruzen since the tide of the battle had long since turned. Sasuke therefore doesn't leave the village. The rest of Akatski is brought down faster than before with Sasuke and Naruto teamed up, and even taking down Itachi in a different manner.

Madara is not resurrected since Naruto TnJ Pain anyway and the resurrection jutsu is still used on the village. So if you just take the White Zetsu army up against the Shinobi Alliance, without the Edo Tensei's those battles aren't even close. And then to top it all off, you don't have an all-powerful indestructible Madara brought back to the field with all of Hashirama's abilities as well.

Does Hiruzen still being alive help the village more than Tsunade? Is Jiraya still alive? Does Danzo try to take over like he did during the Pain Invasion? Does Hiruzen lead the Shinobi alliance? The whole direction of Naruto changes with no Edo.

[Narutorious]

Originally Posted by ObitoUchiha

However, Hashi's cells allow for the lone pair of Rinnegan circling around the ninja world... wait. HOW did Kabuto give the jinchuuriki their Rinnegans...? Only one ninja has had a circulating pair besides them. And what about the six peins?! Nagato's rinnegan are Madara's eyes!!

kabuto didn't, Obito did, it was his 6 paths, their eyes were Obito's eyes, same as Nagato's 6 paths.

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Dued for the love of all that if holy and scientific, let it go.

However, in my personal opinion, Hashirama caused more, I mean with all the things caused by his cells and everything that went wrong with his Bijuu plan, I say more deaths were caused by him.

I mean, just think about about ET has only ever been used twice throughout the entire series, but the Bijuu have 4 wars because every single shinobi world war that's been fought has been over them.

[PrinceofPeace]

If Hashirama kept the bijju in one place it would be eaiser for the akaskui to get their hands on them

Please do not bring up the bijju agrument!

This is just about the Cells and ET

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

If Hashirama kept the bijju in one place it would be eaiser for the akaskui to get their hands on them

Please do not bring up the bijju agrument!

This is just about the Cells and ET

What Akatsuki, without the war Obito wouldn't have fell through Madara's roof and Madara would have died down there and his plan never heard the Akatsuki would have stayed rebel group and not a group of S class criminals.

However, since this is only about ET and Hashirama's cells then Hashirama still caused more. I mean we've got Zetsu, Obito, Madara, All of Orochimaru's experiments before Yamato, that machine that they stuck Yamato in to make more Zetsu. Danzo's enchantments.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Blaming Hashirama and his DNA cells for Madara's plan is like blaming Einstein and his theories for the atomic bomb. In which case, blame is misguided and above all, irrational.

I would say that the Second Hokage easily takes the cake for this.

[PrinceofPeace]

@Jin-you are yellow
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I am this color and RED

Yamato would not be who he is Yeah, he wouldn't have been abducted by some pedo and experimented on.
It was worth it. If it was not for Yamato many would be dead right now

-Yamato would not been able to control Naruto in 4tails state and Naruto would have went on a rampage He wouldn't need to as Naruto's parents would still be alive and the Ninetails would've never been put in Naruto.
If naruto did not have Kurama than the story would sux and Naruto would have died already! The village would have been destroyed by Nagato and Naruto would not be as strong as he is. THeir would be no child of prophecy

-Naruto would not have been able to learn Rasen-Shuriken cuz Yamato could not help him train Sure he could, he wouldn't have to worry about Kurama taking control if he wasn't there.
Naruto would not have the power nor chakra nor stamina to use Rasen-Shurkien. naruto would have been a regular old ninja and would have died to haku!! When Naruto used Rasen-Shurkien against Kakazu LOOK INTO NARUTO's EYES!! You can tell Naruto is connected with Kurama and using its chakra!!

-Kakazu would still be alive cuz Naruto would not have been able to defeat him without Rasen-Shurkien Okay...I don't see how that's a terrible thing. Kakuzu would've never been a part of the Akatsuki without Hashi's cells.
huh Explain???

-Nagato would still be alive cuz Naruto would have failed to defeat him without the use of Rasen-Shurkien. Nagato would still be alive and probably be a good guy, because he wouldn't be manipulated by Obito. (Which I also find ridiculous-a 13/14 year old manipulating someone around his sensei's age)
who knows! We do not have enough info for this to be true! Actually IMO Nagato would be dead! Madara/Obito would not be alive without Hashirama cells so Madara would not be able to get the rinnegan and give it to Nagato. Nagato used the Rinnegan twice to save himself from a threat so without it Nagato would be dead and so would Yahiko!!

-Madara would not be here in the first place!! Who cares if he has the Rinnegan and wood style!!! It would be useless if he stayed dead and ET was not active! He still could've possibly been revived the way he originally intended.
key words: POSSIBLY!! Luckily Naruto convinced Nagato to save the villagers instead!

-Yamato was able to track the Kumo ninja and help build the leaf There would be no problems with the Kumo ninja, because Obito never could've manipulated Sasuke to attack Killer B and the village would still be around and not need to be rebuilt.
True! But If Obito did not have Hashirama cells than Kakashi would be dead. WIthout Hashirama cells Obito could not have killed the Mist ninja and Kakashi would be left for dead

-Gave life to ppl (this is good and bad) Not really people. Plant clones that killed thousands of shinobi.
and it gave life to Obito and Madara (even though they are evil but everyone deserves life)
The Hashirama Cells also gave great power!
Nagato is able to activate the Rinnegan
Yamato can use wood style
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My point: At least Hashirama's cells have done some good and not only bad. ET only caused death EVERYTIME IT WAS USED
We've only seen ET used by bad guys and it actually has done some good allowing Itachi to have his "Feel good moment" with Sasuke.
saying good bye does not compare to the thousands of deaths caused by ET!!

Saskue was holding back when he was fighting Kabuto cuz of edo tensi! Saskue could have eaisily ended the match with Amaterasu spam!!!
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How is ET good? The only thing I have seen it be used as "good" is for people to say good-bye!!
Reallly just good-bye!! Everyone dies eventually so you would meet up in the afterlife one day to say good-bye! ET is HORRIBLE and IMMORRALE!!! You do not see any good guy using ET!!
Thus Tobirama caused more damage in this war
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War without ET yet with Hashirama cells
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Take the ET's out and what do you have?

Kabuto Tobi and Whit zetsu army vs THE ENTIRE NINJA ALLIANCE!!!!

Guy, Kakashi, Bee/Gyuki, and Naruto/Kurama >>>>> Tobi

Fodder Ninja=White Zetsu Army (pretty much a tie but fodder ninja would win overall)

Kages>>>>> Kabuto (the only reason why the Uchiha had a hard time with Kabuto is because they were trying to get Kabuto to break ET before death)
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With ET and no Hashirama cells
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ET's>>>> fodder ninja (it is hard to seal ET's)

Madara ET = Kages ( Without Hashirama cells Madara would not be as overconfident)

ET jinjurki, Et Madara, Tobi= Guy, Kakashi, Bee/Gyuki, and Naruto/Kurama (good guys win but it would be harder and take longer)

Overall it would be easier to win this war without ET's cuz it takes stratgey and planning to seal the enmies. Unlike with Zetsu and Tobi you just have to fight them

Without ET the war would be over!

[Godaime Kazekage]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

@Jin-you are yellow
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I am this color and RED

Yamato would not be who he is Yeah, he wouldn't have been abducted by some pedo and experimented on.
It was worth it. If it was not for Yamato many would be dead right now

-Yamato would not been able to control Naruto in 4tails state and Naruto would have went on a rampage He wouldn't need to as Naruto's parents would still be alive and the Ninetails would've never been put in Naruto.
If naruto did not have Kurama than the story would sux and Naruto would have died already! The village would have been destroyed by Nagato and Naruto would not be as strong as he is. THeir would be no child of prophecy

-Naruto would not have been able to learn Rasen-Shuriken cuz Yamato could not help him train Sure he could, he wouldn't have to worry about Kurama taking control if he wasn't there.
Naruto would not have the power nor chakra nor stamina to use Rasen-Shurkien. naruto would have been a regular old ninja and would have died to haku!! When Naruto used Rasen-Shurkien against Kakazu LOOK INTO NARUTO's EYES!! You can tell Naruto is connected with Kurama and using its chakra!!

-Kakazu would still be alive cuz Naruto would not have been able to defeat him without Rasen-Shurkien Okay...I don't see how that's a terrible thing. Kakuzu would've never been a part of the Akatsuki without Hashi's cells.
huh Explain???

-Nagato would still be alive cuz Naruto would have failed to defeat him without the use of Rasen-Shurkien. Nagato would still be alive and probably be a good guy, because he wouldn't be manipulated by Obito. (Which I also find ridiculous-a 13/14 year old manipulating someone around his sensei's age)
who knows! We do not have enough info for this to be true! Actually IMO Nagato would be dead! Madara/Obito would not be alive without Hashirama cells so Madara would not be able to get the rinnegan and give it to Nagato. Nagato used the Rinnegan twice to save himself from a threat so without it Nagato would be dead and so would Yahiko!!

-Madara would not be here in the first place!! Who cares if he has the Rinnegan and wood style!!! It would be useless if he stayed dead and ET was not active! He still could've possibly been revived the way he originally intended.
key words: POSSIBLY!! Luckily Naruto convinced Nagato to save the villagers instead!

-Yamato was able to track the Kumo ninja and help build the leaf There would be no problems with the Kumo ninja, because Obito never could've manipulated Sasuke to attack Killer B and the village would still be around and not need to be rebuilt.
True! But If Obito did not have Hashirama cells than Kakashi would be dead. WIthout Hashirama cells Obito could not have killed the Mist ninja and Kakashi would be left for dead

-Gave life to ppl (this is good and bad) Not really people. Plant clones that killed thousands of shinobi.
and it gave life to Obito and Madara (even though they are evil but everyone deserves life)
The Hashirama Cells also gave great power!
Nagato is able to activate the Rinnegan
Yamato can use wood style
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My point: At least Hashirama's cells have done some good and not only bad. ET only caused death EVERYTIME IT WAS USED
We've only seen ET used by bad guys and it actually has done some good allowing Itachi to have his "Feel good moment" with Sasuke.
saying good bye does not compare to the thousands of deaths caused by ET!!

Saskue was holding back when he was fighting Kabuto cuz of edo tensi! Saskue could have eaisily ended the match with Amaterasu spam!!!
---------------------------------------------------------
How is ET good? The only thing I have seen it be used as "good" is for people to say good-bye!!
Reallly just good-bye!! Everyone dies eventually so you would meet up in the afterlife one day to say good-bye! ET is HORRIBLE and IMMORRALE!!! You do not see any good guy using ET!!
Thus Tobirama caused more damage in this war
-----------------------------------------------
War without ET yet with Hashirama cells
-------------------------
Take the ET's out and what do you have?

Kabuto Tobi and Whit zetsu army vs THE ENTIRE NINJA ALLIANCE!!!!

Guy, Kakashi, Bee/Gyuki, and Naruto/Kurama >>>>> Tobi

Fodder Ninja=White Zetsu Army (pretty much a tie but fodder ninja would win overall)

Kages>>>>> Kabuto (the only reason why the Uchiha had a hard time with Kabuto is because they were trying to get Kabuto to break ET before death)
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With ET and no Hashirama cells
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ET's>>>> fodder ninja (it is hard to seal ET's)

Madara ET = Kages ( Without Hashirama cells Madara would not be as overconfident)

ET jinjurki, Et Madara, Tobi= Guy, Kakashi, Bee/Gyuki, and Naruto/Kurama (good guys win but it would be harder and take longer)

Overall it would be easier to win this war without ET's cuz it takes stratgey and planning to seal the enmies. Unlike with Zetsu and Tobi you just have to fight them

Without ET the war would be over!

You keep missing the major point here. Without Hashirama's cells Madara and Obito both would not have lived and there would be no war in the first place, so obviously Hashirama created (albeit unknowingly)the bigger problem.

[PrinceofPeace]

I did not mean who caused the war but the effects of the war.

But at least Hashirama's cells did good and not just evil

I c wut u mean though

[Hotarubi Hyuuga]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

I did not mean who caused the war but the effects of the war.

But at least Hashirama's cells did good and not just evil

I c wut u mean though

OK you asked which cause the most trouble and regardless of rather his cells did good or not, they still caused the most problems.

[PrinceofPeace]

keep the bijju's would not solve anything

[Bazk]

still twist and turn how much good his cells did they caused more trouble more then good, and what is this without edo tensei it wouldnt be a war??? edo tensei came at the last minuto to tobi and he didnt even want the help, and in some cases edo tensei have made people stronger and they have got to talked to their loved once one more time, and tobirama tried to stop the edo tensei from being used ever again more then harishama who jacked off his cells everywhere