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Old 10-02-2012, 06:18 PM   #161
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Lol I didn't see what was so funny about it...
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:02 PM   #162
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there are a few ideas i have
one seeing that kakashi was an anbu once maybe he pulled a Kisame and killed his team to protect intel or something, tho i doubt kakashi is that cold
two could be a similar situation to haku, getting in the way of kakashi attack,
three rin is not the good girl she is made out to be
four madara and zetsu had something to do with it, just idk what
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1st plot

RIN: kakashi you need to kill me to awaken your Mangekyo Sharingan. It's only the way to defeat the enemy.
KAKASHI: OK! Sorry Obito!!!!! hiyaaaaahhhh CHIDORI!!!!!!!!!!!

The Mangekyō Sharingan is acquired through the death of the person closest to the Sharingan user. To expedite this occurrence, Uchiha throughout history have killed their closest friends in order to meet this criteria. To obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, one must feel the emotion of losing a friend or family, as merely killing them or watching them die will not activate it.


2nd plot

Kakashi discovered that Rin is a spy of Akatsuki!!!!!!!!


3rd plot

Madara ordered Zetsu to clone Kakashi before Obito witnessed the scene with his own eye. (Madara: you will surely come back here and thank me sincerely)
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:33 PM   #164
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I don't understand why people think Kakashi was slow to attack someone. He has the sharingan and his speed is considered one of the best.

His eye was swelling and crying badly, so I'm pretty sure he meant it..

EDIT: Also, I doubt that Kakashi was a zetsu as he had the sharingan in his eye. Zetsu's can't imitate actual abilities right? So, Kakahsi = Kakashi there. The way Kakashi was crying states to me that Rin = Rin also.
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I know Zetsu can imitate chakra...(kisame's staged death was a nice example)
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:46 PM   #166
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so much kakashi fanboys defending him

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can't you all see that kishi is trying to make Kakashi like Sasuke
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Rin such a burden she cant avoid kakashi chidori, thats why she should die.
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If they were surrounded and and it was Rin who set them up... and the ninjas revealed she was a spy... Then maybe Kakashi beat all odds and defeated them, and then killed Rin.

With the Eye of the Moon plan. Rin would never have been an enemy and Obito and Rin could have lived happily ever after.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:19 PM   #169
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Hey has anyone mentioned Kakashi was crying hell out of himself?

I'm switching to "Spy Rin" now.
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Apparently Kakashi was crying out there so maybe he was really killing Rin back then. So my guess is Rin was under those Kiri shinobi's control (some kind of genjutsu) and about to create a huge trouble to herself and/or others.
And Kakashi and Obito may fight together again in this series since he once said that the combination of himself and Kakashi is "better", just saying
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Gosh I am stumped I am usually wrong about guessing so I am just going to enjoy the ride

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Yet I did predict that kakashi was going to kill RIn


I trust you Kishi

But if I had to pick I think it was a set-up by Zetsu/Madara

-Madara warned him
-Zetsu knew the situation tooo well
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Yet I did predict that kakashi was going to kill RIn


I trust you Kishi

But if I had to pick I think it was a set-up by Zetsu/Madara

-Madara warned him
-Zetsu knew the situation tooo well
I could buy into the whole Zetsu thing with him being able to communicate with others. I can believe that.

But Madara's warning is kinda interesting. Makes me suspicious. Although, he's supposed to be trapped in with the statue to survive, but I could believe he still has influence elsewhere.
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I'm sorry. This isn't enough for world domination. If it's real, Kishi must explain why Obito, so obsessed with Rin that he would attempt to enslave the world as a reaction to her death, that he didn't bother intervening in such a way that Kakashi would remember his appearance. It smells like fish rotting in the sun. I suspect genjutsu, but if the translation of "You let Rin die" is actually accurate, then this whole episode falls apart. It seems incredible that he would come away with the idea that Kakashi didn't cause her death, yet not intervene or cause Kakashi to notice his presence.

But then, we don't have actual confirmation that Rin died as a result of Kakashi's chidori either...
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Kakashi has no konoha headband.
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I'm sorry. This isn't enough for world domination. If it's real, Kishi must explain why Obito, so obsessed with Rin that he would attempt to enslave the world as a reaction to her death, that he didn't bother intervening in such a way that Kakashi would remember his appearance. It smells like fish rotting in the sun. I suspect genjutsu, but if the translation of "You let Rin die" is actually accurate, then this whole episode falls apart. It seems incredible that he would come away with the idea that Kakashi didn't cause her death, yet not intervene or cause Kakashi to notice his presence.

But then, we don't have actual confirmation that Rin died as a result of Kakashi's chidori either...
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Nope dude kakashi was crying,zetsu wouldn't cry for that also I got a solid explanation.


They were probably surrounded my many,many ninja and they couldn't get away...both.So 1 had to die to not slow down the other one and kakashi though he HAS to get away cuz if rin got away and kakashi died mist ninjas would be all over his corpse and would know the secret of sharingan.You remember what he said in 1st chapters "ninja's corpse is a treasure" something along those lines,he could not allow mist to get his eye..so he sacrificed rin to protect the village.


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Ok guys let's realize something already.
The only reason Kishimoto said YOU LET RIN DIE.

Is so we wouldn't figure out what happened.

It's the same thing as when Obito says I'M DYING.
Or when Kakashi says OBITO IS DEAD.

Kishimoto is a liar. Though perhaps one by necessity.
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Kakashi meant to kill rin for two reasons;

1 - He understood the way of unlocking MS and took that approach
2 - Rin is a spy.

Either one of those would account for the crying Kakashi..which no one has mentioned yet. He was balling his eye out!
Kakashi didn't unlock Mangekyou Sharingan until he saw through Itachi's Tsukuyomi while being trapped in it. After all, its only in Shippuden that Itachi realized that Kakashi had unlocked MS, and if he could detect that, he probably would've been able to detect it before. PLUS, why wouldn't he use kamui before and why hasn't anybody seen it until Naruto saw it being used against deidara?

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Ok guys let's realize something already.
The only reason Kishimoto said YOU LET RIN DIE.

Is so we wouldn't figure out what happened.

It's the same thing as when Obito says I'M DYING.
Or when Kakashi says OBITO IS DEAD.

Kishimoto is a liar. Though perhaps one by necessity.
If that is the case, then it's horrible writing. And no, Kishi didn't need to do it at all. All he had to do is make the statement more vague, something like "You caused this, Kakashi," or "because you broke your promise," or "because of you, Rin is dead." All of those would have allowed logic to prevail without damaging the story. That took all of five seconds to come up with, and it would have changed nothing except allowing the story to maintain its integrity. Because of this, I doubt it's a lie so much as a mistake. I don't discount the possibility that we just need to know more, but right now it all amounts to bs.

EDIT: Now that I think about it for more than five seconds, Kishi's decision looks even worse. It would have been far more intriguing and dramatic if Obito had just screamed, "You killed Rin!" or even said it in a deadpan tone.
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