Spoiler Madara not Madara? (yeah, my next stupid theory)

[Topik]

So basically, how do we know that the Uchiha that saved Obito is really Madara:

- because he said so. So did Tobi.
- because he looks like old Madara. Well... hair is the same, but only this really. We wouldn't think about Madara if it wasn't Obito, not Sharingan, and not this place.
- because he has Hashirama cells/DNA in his cave. So did Orochimaru.
- because he knows Obito. Well this one is in my opinion only and real argument.

What arguments that it isn't Madara:
- Edo Tenseied Madara said that he died shortly after he activated Rinnengan. - It is impossible that Madara activated Rinnengan, gave it to random boy, and then years later met Obito.
- Uchiha in cave said: "No... I have entrusted my original eyes to someone else." - it weren't his, it were Izuna's eyes. Izuna was the one who entrusted his original eyes. But maybe it was just error in translation.
- If according to Madara's plan, he would be ressurected with Rinnengan jutsu, he would be probably brought back as an old man. I don't think that there is any advantage of being ressurected as an old man than as a young one. BUT we still don't know how Nagato revive ability worked, maybe he also could manipulate age of ressurected ones.
Other possibility is that Kabuto didn't really manipulated his age (and the only thing he manipulated was that he added Hashirama cells in him).
- Someone as wise and as ambitious as Madara wouldn't left everything to: Uzumaki young boy, Uchiha young boy and half childish half serious Hashirama clone. I mean... there is no sense in it.
- Uchiha in cave claims that he can't leave cave. Still he controlled, and manipulated Mizukage, and recruited Kisame (if not only Kisame).

Sorry, I just hope that Izuna will really play greater role in Naruto's plot. It's my opinion atleast, that for someone as strong as Madara, he died quietly and weak.

[SilentBlade]

Some of these are actually pretty good points. I have had my thoughts that the person in the cave isn't Madara, the problem is that the ET'd Madara recognizes and knows Obito, knows about Nagato etc... so something is up for sure in those terms. The weird thing here is going to be connecting Orochimaru and Danzo to this whole thing.

[kalmeast]

Well, if Kishi is as smart as you, i would have hope in your theory...But now, i've learned not to overly think things. But then again... I love this theory...that is...if this old man turned out to be Izuna and not Madara, since Izuna had lost his eyes too...haha...

But remember! Kishi's Wife is the one writing the Stories now so she wouldn't think that far

[Topik]

Sadly, ET Madara knows Obito and Nagato. It is the biggest hole in this theory. One could say that Madara someway observed things from the dead. But sadly he didn't know that Nagato betrayed them.

[ice_edge]

We should stop creating these theories..enough is enough.

[Shisko Shi]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

Well, if Kishi is as smart as you, i would have hope in your theory...But now, i've learned not to overly think things. But then again... I love this theory...that is...if this old man turned out to be Izuna and not Madara, since Izuna had lost his eyes too...haha...

But remember! Kishi's Wife is the one writing the Stories now so she wouldn't think that far

Were did you find this info at?

Love this theory, to support it what if Izuna set this in place and told Madara when he died? or somthing like that. Plus do we know what Izuna or Madaras eye abilities do yet like Obitos is the space time one mabey one of them can see the futur or ghost or whatever.


And Ice_Edge their is nothing wrong in doing this, Theories are good give you something to do.

[BMC1994]

I love how you call him 'uchiha in a cave' makes me laugh for some reason.

[Topik]

Originally Posted by ice_edge

We should stop creating these theories..enough is enough.

Why? There is still a lot of mysteries like one that I discovered while ago...



Edo Tensei brings people back in state they died (everyone but not Madara).

How it comes that ET Madara has two Sharingans, not one, and he has HIS Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, while "he gave his eyes to someone else" - probably Nagato?

Itachi and Nagato had their eyes taken after his death. Madara was still alive (if it really is Madara). Connected to matrix, but still alive.

[acerbitas]

Originally Posted by Topik

Why? There is still a lot of mysteries like one that I discovered while ago...



Edo Tensei brings people back in state they died (everyone but not Madara).

How it comes that ET Madara has two Sharingans, not one, and he has HIS Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, while "he gave his eyes to someone else" - probably Nagato?

Itachi and Nagato had their eyes taken after his death. Madara was still alive (if it really is Madara). Connected to matrix, but still alive.

This episode makes me wonder more about how Kabuto really got Mardara's body to ET. It seems like something that would have been left in Tobi's/Obito's care in his hideout. We see the same Harashima face in the same tree/flower thing and we know it's where the Gedo was. We know Kabuto didn't know about that part until Tobi/Obito showed him. So, did Mardara die outside the hideout and not be recovered or did Oro steal the body away during his time with the Akatski and Kabuto got it after Oro died?

Also, the last couple of episodes haven't felt right when reading them. They seem/feel more like slapped together ideas than real planned out events. Just my opinion...

[nine-tails chakra armor]

Heres my take don't compare Uchiha in cave.lol with et madara. I think they are the Same. you guys talk like what we read is going on now. Look how much time has passed since. Obito is still young. Pro still alive at this point. What's to say Masada didn't order obits to get help forming a new body. Like when we first get tobi's explanation on who he is he said he wasn't complete. I believe those arn't obitos words but madara. To me everything fits and makes more sense now. give nagato his eyes before he dies so nagato could revive him. Use obito to to influence nagato to revive him. Also the controlling miz is possiable from where he's is in the chapter cuz itachi is able to control a person from a great distance way. So why wouldn't the legendary Masada Uchiha be able to. Also if et madara knew the plan then the one in cave that told obito he has something for him to do it makes perfect sense also the fact that the et madara knew obito where no one else knew that in itself should be enough evidence. Look And as far as et Madara having his eyes that he said he gave away before he died to nagato. He could have been caught between life and death dead enough to be summoned but alive not living alive. Being alive in this world means so many things. I believe he died cuz he has the eyes as an et. Both itachi and nagato even though both had their eyes transferred to another they still had them as ets. And all props to the people who supported obito is tobi theory because it's not a theory anymore it's fact