Spoiler: Plot holes, plot holes ever were - Page 3

Godaime Kazekage · 08-29-2012, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wooster

Yeah, you are right. They did show Kakashi becoming chunin and later Obito becoming chunin after two panels of season change

Anyone want to find the chapter and panel where it is stated Kakashi became chunin at six?

Chapter 35 (Iruka vs. Kakashi): Page 8

zerosameri · 08-29-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bratcipheo

Hehehe. Im just sitting here in front of my screen, smiling. You remember when Naruto Beat Neji at the Chuunin exam when everyone thought it was impossible?
So this is how Naruto felt.
I'll go make a cup of tea.

Screw you either way.

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Originally Posted by Sabaku.Soso

Til now, there's been only 1 single page about who Tobi is. We have too much ahead to jump to any conclusion. Presuming Kishi is wrong before he gives his explanation is a mistake, I supposed.
Btw, its everywhere, not every were

I originally just viewed the thread because I didnt understand what you mean

Not making any assumption, what I said has been proven and doesn't add up.

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Bratcipheo · 08-29-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by zerosameri

Screw you either way.

I feel like a messiah.And you must feel like Harold Camping. Sure does set everything in perspective right? Your behavior etc. "Lol stop it, its not obito never, nub, blabal"
Such confidence, such arrogance.
Such a fall. I promised you that I would get my flawless victory, and i got it. And i got it because i was smarter than you zero. I want you to take that in, to accept that as fact and sleep with it.

zerosameri · 08-29-2012, 02:43 PM

I had FACTS, with chapters and page numbers. All you had was a few facts and the reast was an educated guess and assumptions.

Kioroshi. · 08-29-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiden

Wasn't that when he made Jonin?

Yea,even worse that way.Kishimoto needs to pay attention.Also I will never be able to look at tobi same way now.

Tobi was mysterious cool guy who was badass even more than orochimaru and now when hes tobi I can't look him at same way i looked at "mysterious,cool,badass guy" now I look at him as a fail.Obito wasn't even that important he was just there to show kakashis story.

And Next question is how did someone like Obito who was inferior to kakashi in every way learned about the ktuubi seal weakening,how did he knew orochimaru?what did he have to do with him?how did he learnt so much about uchiha tablet and rinnegan?how did such a fail shinobi who wasn't even important to the story become the strongest villain.How did he know about juubi when even the most old-experienced ninja don't.

Another Plot Hole is in kyuubi attack when he supposedly controlled kyuubi was same hight-age as minato and kakashi is shown as a kid when hes supposedly 1 year older than obito....So many Question with no asnwers...

acerbitas · 08-29-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruko

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The third was standing next to yondaime in 599, and he had his hokage uniform, which means that he was still the hokage, not Minato.

Indeed. And, during the Kakashi Chronicles where Obito dies, Minato was not yet Hokage. Minato was still their team leader. The Third was still Hokage. Obito couldn't stand in front of the mountain and Minato's face be on it. Four faces. Fourth Hokage.

That whole scene looks retarded. What was Obito smiling about. We see him going on about being a Uchiha. There's not a Uchiha face on that mountain. It's either pointing out how absurd the whole thing is or some retarded reference to Obito wanting to be Hokage like Naruto wants to be Hokage. So yeah...does not compute just like a lot of other stuff in this chapter.

Wooster · 08-29-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage

Chapter 35 (Iruka vs. Kakashi): Page 8

Thank you sir.

And people say the Obito being Tobi is a plothole.

Kishi just doubled Kakashi's age and added a friggin 100 foot stone face.

Bratcipheo · 08-29-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by zerosameri

I had FACTS, with chapters and page numbers. All you had was a few facts and the reast was an educated guess and assumptions.

And i told you that your facts were useless, totally and utterly useless.
Here I'll remind you:

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All you people think in the facts and reality kishi has provided you, you have to think like him to know whats gonna happen next.But you don't , you think like one of the characters in the manga.Bound by his rules.

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Now, the manga isn't much like in reality, what we seem to know, fact wise, is often wrong, its more about:

What do you really *feel* what will happen?That, which does leave the strongest emotional drama behind, is most likely what will happen.What would make you most excited, its stuff that is unbeleavable but then makes sence by adding new "facts"

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Dont think what is most likely with the current given facts?Its not reality!
But, what would most likely shock us the most? Kishi will choose that path.
By letten the majority think its madara, and only with small hints obito, he will shock us big time later on.

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That's a fact based question, why would Obito do *this* with *these* facts that we *currently* know. They can very easy be changed.Him not being in full control of his mind, he has forgotten his past, maybe partly, he has been told lies ans beleaves them(sasuke).
Such no facts could answer your question, so please try to look past the facts and figure out where the manga is heading instead.

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Thats why this is so great.Complete defeat to one side.I can allready hear the lame loser excuses. "We didnt know these facts yet..."

I used my knowledge and experience in analyzing stories to explain this to you, but you kept on hanging on to these useless facts, without seeing the big picture. You had nothing, you were in your little world, while I had a overview.

I tried to help you, i really did, but you didn't wanna listen.
And now you know pain.

Wooster · 08-29-2012, 03:47 PM

I don't see why people say Obito being Tobi is a plot hole. Where is the hole? Nearly everyone in this manga gets revived.

Whether it was stupid or not is another matter.

The only point we had almost two years ago when we argued this crap was the Kisame meeting. But we figured out it was later than we thought, so Obito could possibly have been old enough.

Brat had insight into Kishi's mind, there is no doubt about that.

Jose · 08-29-2012, 04:47 PM

Very easy to explain

Tobi is Obito

Masked Man is Madara

zerosameri · 08-29-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bratcipheo

And i told you that your facts were useless, totally and utterly useless.
Here I'll remind you:

I used my knowledge and experience in analyzing stories to explain this to you, but you kept on hanging on to these useless facts, without seeing the big picture. You had nothing, you were in your little world, while I had a overview.

I tried to help you, i really did, but you didn't wanna listen.
And now you know pain.

You need facts for a ground zero. You can not no around saying "LOLOLOL FISH CAN BREATH OUT OF WATER" with no fact, you can only assume.

Vatanui AKA Pride · 08-29-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bratcipheo

I feel like a messiah.And you must feel like Harold Camping. Sure does set everything in perspective right? Your behavior etc. "Lol stop it, its not obito never, nub, blabal"
Such confidence, such arrogance.
Such a fall. I promised you that I would get my flawless victory, and i got it. And i got it because i was smarter than you zero. I want you to take that in, to accept that as fact and sleep with it.

Not to ruin your little soapbox, but please get off your high horse.

Just because you are able to predict one little plot change in a fictional series doesn't make you any less or more smarter than anyone around here.

Anyways, the change was expected. Kishimoto strives in off-paneled coincidences, and most of y'all should have realized that by now.

Bratcipheo · 08-29-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

Not to ruin your little soapbox, but please get off your high horse.

Just because you are able to predict one little plot change in a fictional series doesn't make you any less or more smarter than anyone around here.

Anyways, the change was expected. Kishimoto strives in off-paneled coincidences, and most of y'all should have realized that by now.

But oh, it does.
I don't think that I'm smarter than everyone else because I was right, I think that this might serve as proof that i was right in my claim that i am much smarter.

Dont you think that discussing a tons of stuff with people gives a good indication of their intelligence? Evaluating arguments etc. And I've always said that I'm, yes arrogant, but that it is well deserved since I am that much smarter.

I belong on this horse.

Furthermore, I am being nice to zerosameri right now. What he has done and said deserves a lot harsher treatment than this.

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You need facts for a ground zero. You can not no around saying "LOLOLOL FISH CAN BREATH OUT OF WATER" with no fact, you can only assume.

But Zero, i very much can. I just proved that didn't I?Granted, it took 3 years, but still i could.
Also, the fact thing is going out of hand. I remember you facts, they weren't facts, but vague opinionated circumstances. They were so bad that i remember that I facepalmed in real life. I even answered some of them i think, but you didnt accept it.
Also, I have a lot of facts for the theory. You seem to be confused about something, I had facts.
You had biased plotholes.

Do you know that modern science today still has a lot of holes in it?It doesn't mean that those theories are wrong, we still use them.

Zero, you never had anything at all. You had no answer for me other than "You logic fails, you fail, screw you" all those years. That was mostly your answer.
I gave up trying to explain you this, trying to explain you that your facts were fake, but you didnt understand.
So i waited. I waited until the manga would open your eyes.
Yet here you hare, the same, you've learned nothing.

zerosameri · 08-29-2012, 07:15 PM

@Brat: You never had any chapter pages or chapters. You assumed everything that would logically make sense to you.

Yea I did say that to you a lot, well, because I was lazy and didn't want to type whole a whole page or what ever. But I facts, I had the chapters, I had the page numbers, I had the tools. Yes some of these are wrong but I had ground zero and you were just a cloud trying to a grow a tree

Facts

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Vatanui AKA Pride · 08-29-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bratcipheo

But oh, it does.
I don't think that I'm smarter than everyone else because I was right, I think that this might serve as proof that i was right in my claim that i am much smarter.

Dont you think that discussing a tons of stuff with people gives a good indication of their intelligence? Evaluating arguments etc. And I've always said that I'm, yes arrogant, but that it is well deserved since I am that much smarter.

I belong on this horse.

Furthermore, I am being nice to zerosameri right now. What he has done and said deserves a lot harsher treatment than this.

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Originally Posted by Bratcipheo

I feel like a messiah.And you must feel like Harold Camping.

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Originally Posted by Bratcipheo

And i got it because i was smarter than you zero. I want you to take that in, to accept that as fact and sleep with it.

Dude, you outright stated it in the above post. And to boot, you compared yourself to some sort of messiah because you were right with one prediction concerning a manga and Zero wasn't.

Yes, but you have to check yourself first on what exactly it is you're talking about. There is a difference between talking about hot chicks you're going to score later and say, the psychological aspects of an economic meltdown. Especially if you're using said discussion to evaluate their intelligence. Not to mention that predictions aren't stone concrete. If anything, they're the step-cousins of gambling. Sometimes people just hit a lucky strike, sometimes they don't. Doesn't mean that you have to feel superior and develop a messiah complex over the person who didn't hit the jackpot.

It is amazing how much of your posts contradict each other.

For the last time, it's a damn prediction over a fictional story. You don't have to blow things out of proportions, dude. Take it easy.

Bratcipheo · 08-29-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by zerosameri

@Brat: You never had any chapter pages or chapters. You assumed everything that would logically make sense to you.

Yea I did say that to you a lot, well, because I was lazy and didn't want to type whole a whole page or what ever. But I facts, I had the chapters, I had the page numbers, I had the tools. Yes some of these are wrong but I had ground zero and you were just a cloud trying to a grow a tree

Facts

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I'm sorry zero, I just cannot... oh god. Your so called facts are just clouds you've put numbers on. I once had chapters in my first theory as well, got taken away. And making people individually find the chapters themselves would be to much to ask, they just won't do it.
So I was just logical, I've based 1/3 of my theory on the facts and grown it from there. The facts are widely known and don't need a number put on it to seem smart.
That's what you're doing. You think putting a number on it somehow strengthens your overall argument. It doesn't. The facts you choose are very biased and its overall image gets distorted.
Also, most start out as facts and then become speculation, which isn't noticed easily by some. You're tricking people, no, probably tricking yourself. It seems as if you get confused by your own train of thought or only see each individual piece, but not the whole picture.

Zero, if we were solving a puzzle game, you would have your nose on the table without ever seeing what you're actually building.

You've deluded yourself into thinking that you can analyze properly, you cant. I know you cant. And i can't make you admit either.
But I can predict things and you can't.
Think of it as you like.

Raiden · 08-29-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hidden Ninja45

Heck, maybe this isn't really Obito, but a Zetsu of Obito. Remember the weird Zetsu-like liquid that happened when he lost his arm during the fight with Danzo's bodyguards.

Could also be Obito with Zetsu cells

Bratcipheo · 08-29-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

Dude, you outright stated it in the above post. And to boot, you compared yourself to some sort of messiah because you were right with one prediction concerning a manga and Zero wasn't.

Yes, but you have to check yourself first on what exactly it is you're talking about. There is a difference between talking about hot chicks you're going to score later and say, the psychological aspects of an economic meltdown. Especially if you're using said discussion to evaluate their intelligence. Not to mention that predictions aren't stone concrete. If anything, they're the step-cousins of gambling. Sometimes people just hit a lucky strike, sometimes they don't. Doesn't mean that you have to feel superior and develop a messiah complex over the person who didn't hit the jackpot.

It is amazing how much of your posts contradict each other.

For the last time, it's a damn prediction over a fictional story. You don't have to blow things out of proportions, dude. Take it easy.

Where am I contradicting myself? I admitted that I'm incredible arrogant didn't I?I am, I am. I'm a Messiah and all.

Look, I thought that i was superior to him all the time, but me coming and telling him that doesn't really have an effect, now does it?
So I've waited until it finally got revealed. I didn't hope for it, since I knew it would happen, I just waited.

Now I tell him that I am a Messiah and that much smarter, while it has an effect. That is why I do it now, while the iron is hot. Don't missunderstand, it looks like I'm saying all this because I was right, but thats not it. I am saying it now, because he also knows that I am right now.
It was no fun beforehand.
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I admit that predictions aren't stone concrete and its sorta like gambling, but again nearly the same people are in the finals every year in poker.
But that is not the point, I agree with you.
I am discussing stuff in the forms of logic here, no matter whether its politics, philosophy or science. There is a standard in how people ought to argue/work to find the truth. It's the same principles. And I can see that many here have no idea about that. They confuse subjective views with objective views, ideas with Theories, facts with speculation. They just dump all of this in one gigantic soup they call "my opinion, theory". They cannot discern the different ways to argue in.
We must remember that all sorts of people use this forum, and it is only expected that this isn't university standard. That is fine, but people don't know this, they think they're smart and act accordingly harsh and biased towards others.

I want nothing more than absolute justice. What one has said has consequences. If I had been wrong, I'd want everyone to know that if I in the future bash someones theory, they should know that I am known for being wrong. Justice. I've said this many times, if I end up wrong, it would prove that I am stupid, said it dozens of times.
But I am also incredible arrogant, I know. I only tell this sorta thing to those users that have engaged and accepted our little "competition".
I wouldn't harass a normal user, well i once wanted, but I chose not too since its senseless.
But against someone so arrogant, simple minded, wrong, and mean guy like zerosameri that has accepted our fight?Yes, he deserves it.

Vatanui AKA Pride · 08-29-2012, 08:09 PM

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I don't think that I'm smarter than everyone else because I was right,

I was referring as to this, not your whole little messiah speech.

Actually, yes. Yes it does. *Off-the-wall pun/reference!

It's not a matter of right or wrong. Even if you were right, you shouldn't rub it in someone's face like that. Hospitality is a function of a humanity, and I'd advise you to remember that.

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That is fine, but people don't know this, they think they're smart and act
accordingly harsh and biased towards others.

Funny thing is, someone could use these exact words to describe you.

Then they're wrong. It's simple as that. When you get answer a math problem incorrectly in school, your math teacher doesn't dance around gleefully and then laugh in your face, does she? Just accept the win/loss and move on with your live. There's no need to throw off a parade. No one here is omniscient, so they're bound to be wrong at some point in their lives. That includes you.

And consequences have to be accordingly reasonable to the situation at hand. You don't slaughter a man and his entire family just for stealing a loaf of bread from you. Well, at least we don't that anymore.

What you're doing here could be considered excessive. Winning a prediction is nice and all, and some proper bragging rights is due, but that doesn't allow you to overdo it to this extent.

Is it just me or have you watched one too many episodes of Code Geass/.

Bratcipheo · 08-29-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

I was referring as to this, not your whole little messiah speech.

Actually, yes. Yes it does. *Off-the-wall pun/reference!

It's not a matter of right or wrong. Even if you were right, you shouldn't rub it in someone's face like that. Hospitality is a function of a humanity, and I'd advise you to remember that.

Funny thing is, someone could use these exact words to describe you.

Then they're wrong. It's simple as that. When you get answer a math problem incorrectly in school, your math teacher doesn't dance around gleefully and then laugh in your face, does she? Just accept the win/loss and move on with your live. There's no need to throw off a parade. No one here is omniscient, so they're bound to be wrong at some point in their lives. That includes you.

And consequences have to be accordingly reasonable to the situation at hand. You don't slaughter a man and his entire family just for stealing a loaf of bread from you. Well, at least we don't that anymore.

What you're doing here could be considered excessive. Winning a prediction is nice and all, and some proper bragging rights is due, but that doesn't allow you to overdo it to this extent.

Is it just me or have you watched one too many episodes of Code Geass/.

We're coming to the origin of this thing. No, its not a matter of winning or not, I agree. I can see who is stupid and who isn't without anyone winning.
But others cant, so only now can i rub it in their faces.

But this is where you object and tell me that i shouldn't rub it in their faces. I am only rubbing it on zerosameris face.
Why? Because he can take it, he is strong willed and aggressive, though stupid, strong willed. We have our background thats bit harsh, and we've sworn each other to rub it into each others faces.
Had I been wrong, he had done the same, and i'd accepted it totally.
Zero himself isn't complaining about the treatment either, he knew the risk, rather, he's still fighting. That's how we are.

Problem is, you cannot walk in on peoples conversations and expect to understand everything that is going on.
Generally, I'd agree with you. But there are special cases.

08-29-2012, 02:43 PM	#44
zerosameri Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sasuke Won Posts: 19,226 Rep Power: 19 Member's Picture Albums Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2 Total Points: 254	Re: Plot holes, plot holes ever were I had FACTS, with chapters and page numbers. All you had was a few facts and the reast was an educated guess and assumptions. __________________ Tobi and his 'Senpai' moments To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-29-2012, 03:47 PM	#49
Wooster Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 36,978 Rep Power: 32	Re: Plot holes, plot holes ever were I don't see why people say Obito being Tobi is a plot hole. Where is the hole? Nearly everyone in this manga gets revived. Whether it was stupid or not is another matter. The only point we had almost two years ago when we argued this crap was the Kisame meeting. But we figured out it was later than we thought, so Obito could possibly have been old enough. Brat had insight into Kishi's mind, there is no doubt about that.

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Jose Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Hiding in a truck on my way to freedom. Posts: 3,395 Rep Power: 9 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Plot holes, plot holes ever were Very easy to explain Tobi is Obito Masked Man is Madara __________________ ☾ The Village Hidden in the Moonlight. My hat ---> c):D

08-29-2012, 07:15 PM	#54
zerosameri Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sasuke Won Posts: 19,226 Rep Power: 19 Member's Picture Albums Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2 Total Points: 254	Re: Plot holes, plot holes ever were @Brat: You never had any chapter pages or chapters. You assumed everything that would logically make sense to you. Yea I did say that to you a lot, well, because I was lazy and didn't want to type whole a whole page or what ever. But I facts, I had the chapters, I had the page numbers, I had the tools. Yes some of these are wrong but I had ground zero and you were just a cloud trying to a grow a tree Facts Spoiler: ►Madara is over 100 years old while Obtio would only be in his mid 30's right now ►The Tablet that is in the Uchiha Temple thing. Only very few people knew about. They were only Uchiha's and very high up in the clan. Madara and Itachi said that only 3 known (I think) people were able to read it. It's sad that 1st you'll need the Basic 3 Toma sharingan, then the MS, then the EMS, and the Rinnegan. The tablet explains all of what Rikudo went through and the Juubi. When the Uchiha found out how to get the EMS only a very few knew about the Tablet. And Assuming that the Tablet gives more information As you get higher on the Sharigan chart, Madara is the only one that knows about the Juubi and Rikudo's secrets Original Naruto right before Sasuke left the Village ►He did say he was only a shell of him old self; so of cores he is going to be weaker, so did Itachi ______ and chapter 401 ►Madara was the clan leader and an Anbu. As the clan leader you know everything about the Uchiha's, what the Village thinks of you, and your plans. Madara seems to know every last detail about them and he has flash backs that only he could have due to his clan position as the leader chapter 396 page 14 through chapter 401 ►When Izuna gave his MS to Madara everyone was saying how he stole it from him; along with that, to gain the EMS you need someone else MS. As Madara said that his brother willing gave it to him. That said, him and his brother was extremely strong; so clearly it would be hard to steal his brother's eye. Madara said that he loved his brother dearly and when ever someone brings him up he gets ticked. ►It has been shown multiple times, Madara with his ANBU mask. And I don't think anyone would try to seal the ANBU, Leader of the Uchiha's clan mask. ►It was said that the 1st and Madara founded Konha (the statues at the Final Valley proves that). Now Madara was saying that him and the 1st had an long battle over who would be the Hokage of the new land. Now while all of the senju's and uchiha fighting, it is impossible to try to say what Madara said about the fight, unless you wanted to die and not pay any attention to your fight. chapter 398 page 16-19 and chapter 399 page 2 ►Madara was explaining the hate between the two clans and how the leaders of the clan were trying to make a peace agreement. They treaty they were making was probably top secret at the time; and until they made the agreement not a word was shed of that so there wouldn't be any confusion. Now Madara was the clan leader so of cores he knows all of this. Anyone else, they wouldn't know of this ►Itachi set it when Sasuke see's Madara's sharinagn his ammy would go off. Guess what, it went off. chapter 397 ►All of the flash backs the contain new info about Madara has been consistent with his current self ►Only 7 people knew of what happened when Itachi killed his clan. Danzou, the 2 elders, Sasuke, Itachi, and the 3rd. Madara told Sasuke what happened, it matched up to what Itachi told him. chapter 398 ►There is no way Madara can have his wear house of eye's if he wasn't there to help Itachi kill the clan. The only people that were going to kill the clan was Itachi and Madara. No one else was there to kill them. Madara has 108 sharingan he say's he likes to stalk up on them and there is no way he could of gotten all of them unless he was there the nigh him and Itachi killed the clan ►By Itachi making it so Sasuke's ammy goes off when he see's Madara's sharingan. Is saying that Itachi knew he was still alive. last few pages of chapter 396 and chapter 397 page 8 ►Kisame knew something about Madara that he didn't want anyone to know. If Madara was dead he wouldn't have killed him self to protect that secret. Chapter 507 ►When Tsunade was informed 'A mask man is behind all of this. We think it might be Madara' She wasn't surprised it was like she also knew he was alive The Pain arc ►Only 3 people have a space time jutsu. Minato, Madara and the 2nd. Chapter 500 I think ►Madara had a flash back explaining the fight he had with the 1st. and he had the Kyuubi with him too. What he said corresponds to what Kushina was telling Naruto about how Minato and her feel in love (the part were her sister married the 1st and she was the Kyuubi's host, and then she had died when Madara took the Kyuubi.) chapter 399 ►Tobi clearly knew everything about Madara, when Madara him self was of said to have been forgotten and anything about him was gone/disappeared. chapter 399 ►It was shown and confirmed that Izuna is dead. chapter 399 ►Madara's Sharingan shield thing he had in the last page (511), proves he is Madara (unless he stole it).He had that throw out 99% of his flash backs. ►When Madara took off his mask to show Kisame his face. Kisame knew he was Madara Chapter 404 ► When he said he faked his death he wasn't lying, because when Itachi told Sasuke he had help killing the clan and named Madara. Then later when Madara got Sasuke he told Sasuke he was the one that helped Itachi. So Madara never did die when he death was said to of had happened. Though anything after that is a guess. ► As for the whole one eye hole in mask thing. When Madara broke the stop of his mask, his Izangai instantly activated. So in other words you can assume he had it hid so it wouldn't go on. So like Kakashi MS. ► chapter 545 page 6 panel 1 and 2 Tsunade said he was imortal Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed. All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive. All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too. All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off. Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point Kisame knows Madara is Madara Kabuto knows Madara is Madara And if there is any Elders left they know Madara is Madara Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. just a ASSUMING Only Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it. Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts got his 2 Toma sharingan Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about __________________ Tobi and his 'Senpai' moments To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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