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Old 08-27-2012, 11:18 PM   #1
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Default Extremely Simple Solution to the problem of Obito's "death"

So Tobioists are trying to figure out how Obito could survive if he's Tobi.

We got Zetsu theories.
We got Madara saved him theories.
We got Kamui theories.
We got reanimation theories.
We got all sort of complex theories.


But how about this simple theory that need not require any POST-Kakashi Gaiden information. Obito could have survived based off this VERY simple
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The sharingan can copy jutsu.

Obito fought against Earth Style users.

Obito used earth style to protect himself and eventually escape.

See? Simple and free from b.s.
Hopefully Kishi will remember the basics.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:19 PM   #2
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Which makes sense when his body was clearly shown being crushed.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:22 PM   #3
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Default Re: Extremely Simple Solution to the problem of Obito's "death"

We are just a day away from Chapter 599. But I have a feeling we won't get back to Tobi just now.
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can sharingan copy jutsu even at only 2 tomoe since obito only actually activated it a couple of minutes before being squashed and it only being a 2 tomoe sharingan?

other than that i really like this theory
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Which makes sense when his body was clearly shown being crushed.

Well I definitely think he was injured. But well at least he can escape now
before the earthquake slam finishes him off. Obito could then heal himself
with the medical jutsu he learned from Rin
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Default Re: Extremely Simple Solution to the problem of Obito's "death"

And I believe the earth jutsu shown being used when obito was there required two handsigns. Or two hands.

He was crushed, and only had access to one.
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And I believe the earth jutsu shown being used when obito was there required two handsigns. Or two hands.

He was crushed, and only had access to one.
Well there has to be SOME b.s involved.
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i got u sticky..... the brain and the body are programm to protect itself maybe out of the will to survive Obito's body reacted to survive by sending the half that seem to be crush to the other dimension and thats why he didnt feel it cause it wasnt there... lol one plothole down 100 more to go.

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No. Sharingan cannot copy nature affinity. If earth is not part of Obito's nature affinity, he cannot copy earthstyle jutsu with his sharingan. Even sasuke had to discover his lightning nature affinity and train hard to use it.

This is most unlikely to me tho. And please don't say "perhaps obito already had earth nature affinity"
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^another reason why tobi may not be obito they're(uchiha) pyromaniac spiting yoga flames everywhere even obito in his very breif apperence spitted flames tobi hasnt used one.

this post was brought to u by those who are against tobito and is clearly another sign of why he is not obito
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Default Re: Extremely Simple Solution to the problem of Obito's "death"

Well the most simplest solutions is this.

The rocks didnt crush him. For all of you says that he was clearly crushed, you lie. All we saw where that a rock laid on top of him. We saw zero crushed limbs. Then we saw more rocks falling. We didnt see him being crushed.

Im not saying he didn't get crushed! Im saying we didnt see the crushing itself, don't state it like a fact. You do that all the time. You can say: His right side was damaged, then he was buried underneath rocks. That is what we actually know, the rest is speculation.

But honestly, the biggest chance is it being Zetsu who got him out of there. The fact that he has the goo on him when he gets damaged suggest that Zetsu has healed/rebuild him when he was in the damaged state.
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He was such an ancillary character that made a single appearance with a purpose of giving Kakashi a more developed character background. I'd have a hard time buying Obito as Tobi for pure motive reasoning. I know "but it probably has something to do with Rin" and if that were the case, his motive would be against Kakashi and the leaf, nothing nearly as apocalyptic as Tobi (who really doesn't seam to care about the leaf village).
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He was such an ancillary character that made a single appearance with a purpose of giving Kakashi a more developed character background. I'd have a hard time buying Obito as Tobi for pure motive reasoning. I know "but it probably has something to do with Rin" and if that were the case, his motive would be against Kakashi and the leaf, nothing nearly as apocalyptic as Tobi (who really doesn't seam to care about the leaf village).
The motive aspect is the easiest for me. Remember pein who killed his Jiraiya, his sensei. It's easy to change it.

And think about it, Tobi isn't that apocalyptic. If Naruto and bee hadn't hidden themselves, he would just have captured them and then made the Moon eye plan.
The moon eye plan is in a way a totalitarian state. The 'Big brother' that always watches you and controls you.
Watched Tengen toppa gurren lagann?Remember the no-spiral planet? They lived like Tobi wants everyone to live.

Tobi and naruto want peace. Tobi wants it trough control and Naruto through freedom, and calls it true peace. Which again, doesn't exist in tobi's eyes.
So whos the bad one? They just have different ideals, it isn't good vs. bad.
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No. Sharingan cannot copy nature affinity. If earth is not part of Obito's nature affinity, he cannot copy earthstyle jutsu with his sharingan. Even sasuke had to discover his lightning nature affinity and train hard to use it.

This is most unlikely to me tho. And please don't say "perhaps obito already had earth nature affinity"
Kakashi copied Zabuza water dragon jutsu with his sharringan right?.. except that Kakashi has water element affinity too.
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The motive aspect is the easiest for me. Remember pein who killed his Jiraiya, his sensei. It's easy to change it.

And think about it, Tobi isn't that apocalyptic. If Naruto and bee hadn't hidden themselves, he would just have captured them and then made the Moon eye plan.
The moon eye plan is in a way a totalitarian state. The 'Big brother' that always watches you and controls you.
Watched Tengen toppa gurren lagann?Remember the no-spiral planet? They lived like Tobi wants everyone to live.

Tobi and naruto want peace. Tobi wants it trough control and Naruto through freedom, and calls it true peace. Which again, doesn't exist in tobi's eyes.
So whos the bad one? They just have different ideals, it isn't good vs. bad.
That's fine and all, but that same logic could apply quite a few places. Obito had far from matured before he died (as far as we know), it just seams unlikely that he would go about this in the same way Nagato did. The reason Nagato saw things the way he did wasn't because his parents were killed, but more the influence of Jiraiya and Yahiko. I believe Nagato would not have pursued things quite the way he did without that influence, as well as Tobi's manipulation. It was in fact Danzo and Hanzo that pushed him over the edge, and we have no such betrayal event like that or even a similar background to Nagato for Obito.

Essentially speaking, for it TO BE Obito, Kishi would have to create a whole new story for post war Obito to be told (and probably an Obito Chronicles , similar to Kakashi) so that we could have the proper back story for it. If that were the case, I think taking Obito as Tobi would be fine. I just don't think we will get that, and for that reason I don't see Obito being Tobi.
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That's fine and all, but that same logic could apply quite a few places. Obito had far from matured before he died (as far as we know), it just seams unlikely that he would go about this in the same way Nagato did. The reason Nagato saw things the way he did wasn't because his parents were killed, but more the influence of Jiraiya and Yahiko. I believe Nagato would not have pursued things quite the way he did without that influence, as well as Tobi's manipulation. It was in fact Danzo and Hanzo that pushed him over the edge, and we have no such betrayal event like that or even a similar background to Nagato for Obito.

Essentially speaking, for it TO BE Obito, Kishi would have to create a whole new story for post war Obito to be told (and probably an Obito Chronicles , similar to Kakashi) so that we could have the proper back story for it. If that were the case, I think taking Obito as Tobi would be fine. I just don't think we will get that, and for that reason I don't see Obito being Tobi.
Ah i see, but i think we will get that. Without explanations on what he did his whole life, the twist would be lame. We need a backstory and we will get it.
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Ah i see, but i think we will get that. Without explanations on what he did his whole life, the twist would be lame. We need a backstory and we will get it.
Absolutely! If Kishi gives us some sort of Obito Chronicle, then I think most people would be alright. He would have to take a few chapters and really flesh out what happened between the events that lead to his supposed death and him becoming Tobi.

I believe that IF we are given that, and it all fits together nicely, I'd be alright with Obito being Tobi..However, with little to no backstory given, I also agree, it would be lame and he should've made Tobi someone else.
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Tobi is a Zetsu clone.

Calling it.

Orochimaru > Tobi
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Default Re: Extremely Simple Solution to the problem of Obito's "death"

The solution would be to not make tobi obito.

This will be the best manga i ever read if he makes teuchi (ichiraku guy) tobi.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:14 AM   #20
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Only if he could of did that
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