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Old 08-11-2012, 11:25 PM   #1
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Default 597: Tobi theory is no longer a theory

I called Kishi would let us think 600 was important for the big reveal, just so he could surprise us and make it early.

I feel it's definite that 597 tells us exactly who Tobi is. But as of now, no one who posted before me on 597 discussion has said anything about the clue and rereading the Kakashi chronicles....

Could this Hindenburg go down in flames? I'm doubting it. And it's actually a pleasant surprise.

"Tobi is the gang leader from the Kakashi Chronicles!!!! Kakko.

Tobi said the location and time/fight, which was where Obito died. Kakashi said "You!" because he knew who it was. He was there. He is the one Kakashi saw, the leader, not Obito! He was the one written into the story. Not anyone else from the fight! Tobi isn't off panel when Kakashi saw him. This is it. There can be no one else, but maybe Obito.I think Tobi killed obito!!! and took his eye and left. Minato didn't kill everyone, just everyone there when he showed up.

1. Looks exactly like Tobi. Age, Hair, Eyes, eye lids, eye brows and the line under the eye are perfect.
2. Kakko is an Earth user - Tobi and his drippy arm is likely an earth element technique.
3. Tobi led Akatsuki.... Kakko seems to have been in charge of a hideout, and many ninjas.
4. Kakko is faster than this kakashi. Yet Obito's new eyes blocked him!! Kakko saw the eyes up close when he attacked. Knew they could be his. plus Obito sharingan means double speed guy later!!!
5. Minato said he killed them all, but Kakko/Tobi had already left with the eye. Or escaped without notice.
6. Genjutsu user. On Rin "to quickly gather information" So if he can get information gathered by searching a mind. He is a skilled mind reading genjutsu user. He could torture, or learn everything about you. He could learn your jutsu's. He could learn your past from conversations, secrets about your teammates, like when Kakashi described Obito as a legendary Uchiha. Kakko knows they have powerful eyes,!!!, Everyone wants one of those.... he could learn everything about Madara from Madara, with his genjutsu. Tobi used genjutsue on konan to learn her secrets.
7. Tobi said he got the eyes at that Battle. The same battle he fought kakko at.
8. Kakashi recognized him. That means it must be kakko, or Obito.
9. Since he was there, he was in the best situation to get Tobi's eye. While Kakashi was knocked out.
10. His side kick phased through a tree, maybe teleported outside the hideout and out of the tree. Like Zetsu can.
11. Kakko is a sensor, and detected Obito and Kakashi 100 yards outside their hideout.

Is he Uchiha? Who knows, maybe not, or maybe a pro earth user is not as affected by the drain. His body could be resistant somehow.

Were Uchiha strictly from konoha, maybe, maybe not. Maybe Madara knew some others that left with him. Maybe they are related. If Tobi claims to have created akatsuki, then maybe that was only Madara, not Tobi, who influenced Nagato. Although Tobi/Kakko is easily older than Minato and maybe Jiraiya's age in the story line. He looks the right age as Tobi and for timeline purposes and telling Minato he had not lost a fight in a long time.

Who would have thought that a leader of seemingly fodder henchmen in a story, came back later with super eyes and became Tobi!!! But it's also that he wasn't as weak as people think. We don't know why he passed out next to Obito. We were never shown kakko vs Kakashi anyway. We want to assume he was weak.

sweetener. Kakko's biggest skill was information gathering. I bet it was. And Tobi knows so much because he gathered a lot of information. Even on Madara. AND, the very first test you take for the chunnin exam is "information gathering." The most important skill for a ninja. It's a theme. And he didn't have to stumble over to "rescue obito," he was there the whole time. And he's a shell of his former self, because kakashi's chidori hurt him badly. Lightning vs earth.

Kishi could decide it will just be Obito, which throws off Obito and Madara knowing each other when Madara knew Nagato. It would mean madara died much more recently. Obito would be the one to say kakashi talks too much. Which is what Tobi said. But Kakko could have learned that through Rin, and perhaps takes on part of a personality when he reads minds.
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Default Re: 597: Tobi theory is no longer a theory

BUMP:

TOBI IS REVEALED

hope you guys see this thread high up, and stop reading these forums before reading 597.

And don't google "kakko."
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What? His ID was not revealed.
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Yea what really been revealed is that Tobi stole Obito's eye, which I suspected.
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Your theory seems plausible, but can you explain how Kakko would know the Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment, a technique he used in chapter 596, despite not being from the Uchiha clan? His Sharingan wouldn't enable him to do this; he used his fingers to perform the technique.
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Default Re: 597: Tobi theory is no longer a theory

Either he's Uchiha, or through genjutsu, he learned it. He genjutsued Rin, so he's got that angle, plus he's the right age, look, he's fast, smart, arrogant, admitted to getting the sharingan at that battle.

And it works dramatically, Tobi killed Kakashi's partner.

I don't think it's a theory. Tobi said he was there, at that BATTLE, that's a place and a TIME. And Kakko is the perfect fit. No way did Kakashi meet Tobi off panel.

Kakko was written in a way that you could not truly gauge his level of competence as the leader of henchmen.
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I don't think this is a theory. I'm totally serious. Tobi is Kakko.
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Works for me.

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If he was Kakko, I'd quit Naruto. No offense, but that's a really undeveloped and unneccessary character and we most definetely know that Tobi is an Uchiha.
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hes definitely not kakko cuz its been stated that tobi was itachi's mentor therefore he has to be ab uchiha and i dont believe kakko had any resentment toward the uchiha cuz tobi helped itachi destroy the uchiha clan
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Kakko was iwagekure and wanted Konoha pushed out of his home country. He later tries to destroy Konoha. He could be Uchiha. Or his earth jutsu has molded his body into a way that the sharingan drain doesn't affect him much. We know Tobi's hand dripped off. Earth jutsu is most likely of the 5 elements.
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I will give you a clue.

Tobi can't be Obito or Shisui (Itachis friend), because the real Madara says in the chapter he is brought back, that "this must be HIS doing", meaning Madara knows Tobi personally and Madara was alive during the time of the first hokage. So Tobi is way too old to be either of those two.
When Naruto's family was attacked the day he was born, Tobi was a grown man. Obito was the same age as Kakashi and around the time the 4th was killed, Kakashi was still only a teen. So it had to be someone a little bit older..

It can't be Kakku either, for he was introduced at the near time of Minato's and Tobi's encounter in Konoha. It is unlikely that Kakku, from his knife style fighting, pitiful genjutsu skills, losing to Kakashi, suddenly changed to a sharingan one eye masked man, who could already use mastered space-time technique, killed ANBU sentry, tricked Minato and controlled Kyubi to destroy the village.

But that comment of yours, paradigm, is valuable. No way did Kakashi meet Tobi off panel.

Or rather, no way did we meet Tobi off panel, whether Kakashi met him or not.
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I will give you a clue.

Tobi can't be Obito or Shisui (Itachis friend), because the real Madara says in the chapter he is brought back, that "this must be HIS doing", meaning Madara knows Tobi personally and Madara was alive during the time of the first hokage.
no, no doesn't have to be the time of the first. Madara called Nagato a brat, Nagato was trained by Jiraiya, and Jiraiya trained Minato later. That's the second war. Kakko is easily older than Minato, and likely the age of Jiraiya. So the time frame and age is fine.

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It can't be Kakku either, for he was introduced at the near time of Minato's and Tobi's encounter in Konoha. It is unlikely that Kakku, from his knife style fighting, pitiful genjutsu skills, losing to Kakashi, suddenly changed to a sharingan one eye masked man, who could already use mastered space-time technique, killed ANBU sentry, tricked Minato and controlled Kyubi to destroy the village.
Yes 1.5 years earlier or so, same situatio for Obito is Tobi theorists. His genjutsu wasn't pititful, you're just trying to knock him down.

Attacking with duel blades then, and switching to a chain later, that also uses both hands for a weapon attack, is more similar than most other ninja. and they look like twins, and Kakashi knows who he is.

We didn't see him die. And we don't know who knocked out Kakashi in the forest.
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dude tobi is uchiha no way that kakku idiot have so mutch chakra to use those all time jutsus kontroling kyuubi and all other shits, kakashi cant use even sharingan all the time now.. and he using sharingan fully
zetsu took hes eye
orichimaru used edo tensei to izuna
izuna transplanted obitos eye and disspeled edo tensei like madara
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no, no doesn't have to be the time of the first. Madara called Nagato a brat, Nagato was trained by Jiraiya, and Jiraiya trained Minato later. That's the second war. Kakko is easily older than Minato, and likely the age of Jiraiya. So the time frame and age is fine.
On which page did Madara call Nagato a brat? Madara does not know Nagato at all, because he had been dead for 1000000 years before Nagato was born.

Do not mistake Madara with Tobi.

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It was, he couldn't get Rin, the 11-13 or so years old fresh chuunin, to tell him the team's plans, while Tobi got Konan, the aged experienced akatsuki member who have lived through nightmare in her country, to tell him the location of Nagato.

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Who looks like a twin? Tobi? He has a mask on his face!

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We didn't see him die. And we don't know who knocked out Kakashi in the forest.
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On which page did Madara call Nagato a brat? Madara does not know Nagato at all, because he had been dead for 1000000 years before Nagato was born.

Do not mistake Madara with Tobi.

It was, he couldn't get Rin, the 11-13 or so years old fresh chuunin, to tell him the team's plans, while Tobi got Konan, the aged experienced akatsuki member who have lived through nightmare in her country, to tell him the location of Nagato.

Who looks like a twin? Tobi? He has a mask on his face!

Correct.
As soon as ET madara was on the loose he thought "That brat Nagato" brought him back.

Kakko told Rin she was unexpectantly stubborn. You don't know if it's actually difficult for him, or if he is suprised there is any kind of defense.

Kakko is his twin. I'm using the same image that anyone would use in describing Tobi's face. The fight with konan with his mask partially broken.
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Kakko also sensed Obito and kakashi's arrival outside the hideout. So Kakko is a speed guy, genjutsu, sensor, earth user. who looks like Tobi.
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He only had an Interrogation Genjutsu. Tobi isn't really a Genjutsu user and you can't explain the motives with saying he's Kakko.

This sounds as absurd as Obito.
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Default Re: 597: Tobi theory is no longer a theory

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He only had an Interrogation Genjutsu. Tobi isn't really a Genjutsu user and you can't explain the motives with saying he's Kakko.

This sounds as absurd as Obito.
Only featured with that interrogation jutsu.

Tobi used genjutsu on konan. Despite whatever power she had, Tobi interrogated her and found out where Nagato/the rinnegans were hidden. The sharingan might have also improved his genjutsu and interrogation ability. It is said that it's not just the sharingan but how proficient you are with it. If you are an interrogation based ninja and gain a sharingan, I think you expertise carries over to the more powerful genjutsu the sharingan might offer.

Motives are it's established Tobi worked with Madara and Iwagekure ninja were at war with Konoha during the 3rd great ninja war. And Iwagekure/oonoki hired Akatsuki.

Kakko was far more likely to live than Obito. and he wasn't a runt so the power jump wasn't as high, and he didn't have to grow. And kakashi said he was fast. Kakashi easily beat the first fodder ninja with speed. Not this one. And very few people could quote Minato's words to Obito.

I'm telling you guys, the angles are covered pretty well on this.
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Default Re: 597: Tobi theory is no longer a theory

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Only featured with that interrogation jutsu.

Tobi used genjutsu on konan. Despite whatever power she had, Tobi interrogated her and found out where Nagato/the rinnegans were hidden. The sharingan might have also improved his genjutsu and interrogation ability. It is said that it's not just the sharingan but how proficient you are with it. If you are an interrogation based ninja and gain a sharingan, I think you expertise carries over to the more powerful genjutsu the sharingan might offer.

Motives are it's established Tobi worked with Madara and Iwagekure ninja were at war with Konoha during the 3rd great ninja war. And Iwagekure/oonoki hired Akatsuki.

Kakko was far more likely to live than Obito. and he wasn't a runt so the power jump wasn't as high, and he didn't have to grow. And kakashi said he was fast. Kakashi easily beat the first fodder ninja with speed. Not this one. And very few people could quote Minato's words to Obito.

I'm telling you guys, the angles are covered pretty well on this.
He's actually talking bad about Kakashi, I mean that guy didn't even know Kakashi, he's saying how he abandoned his friends and Kakko might've hated Konoha, but not the world. So, his motives can't be explained, which ruins the theory.

Also, Konan wasn't neccessarily 'interrogated', just put into a Genjutsu which can show memories, similar to Inoichi's jutsu.
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