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Old 06-27-2012, 01:23 PM   #21
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Does it matter? If I say yes, whats your counter?
Would it happen to be the same as mine if you say "TOAA is omnipotent"?
Is your counter "Prove it?"

Because if so, then your answer is as good as mine if we go off of definition alone.
If he fights Omnipotent, it does matter. If he is not Omnipotent and fights Omnipotent, Omnipotent wins.
If you say yes, I don`t have counter because I have no idea who Discord is.

No, I have no such speech tricks. I don`t use talk to prevent someone from expressing his/her opinion.

Whether Discord is Omnipotent, I don`t know.

All I am saying is, Omnipotent can defeat any non-Omnipotent including Goku!!!
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If he fights Omnipotent, it does matter. If he is not Omnipotent and fights Omnipotent, Omnipotent wins.
If you say yes, I don`t have counter because I have no idea who Discord is.

No, I have no such speech tricks. I don`t use talk to prevent someone from expressing his/her opinion.

Whether Discord is Omnipotent, I don`t know.

All I am saying is, Omnipotent can defeat any non-Omnipotent including Goku!!!

Well yeah, Goku gets beaten by a lot of people.

But saying omnipotent vs omnipotent, omnipotent wins is... Hm...
Also claiming someone is omnipotent and them actually being omnipotent are two different things, if TOAA has feats of it then thats fine and dandy, but otherwise claims must be reinforced by feats.

Kami Tenchi vs TOAA, who wins?
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Omnipotent vs Omnipotent ~ The winner cannot be predicted by us. It is something we are not capable of comprehending.

Omnipotent vs non-Omnipotent ~ Omnipotent wins

non-Omnipotent vs non-Omnipotent ~ This is pretty much general debate much like ones we usually see. Sometimes the winner is obvious (for example, Naruto vs Tenten) and sometimes it is not (for example, Goku vs Superman)!!!
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Goku vs superman is obvious... ._.
As far as omnipotent vs omnipotent goes, the point is that if there is a "winner" then the idea of omnipotence ceases to exist since then a line would be drawn in the power.
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Goku vs superman is obvious... ._.
As far as omnipotent vs omnipotent goes, the point is that if there is a "winner" then the idea of omnipotence ceases to exist since then a line would be drawn in the power.
That is because you are trying to use logic.

When it comes to Omnipotents, logic doesn`t work!!!
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It actually works fine, in fact it works almost too well since omnipotence is a conceptual force in itself. If people insist the definition makes the man, then we cannot forfiet logic in the case.

If we leave feats at the door to claim "omnipotent wins because he is omnipotent" and nothing else, then one can pose an omnipotent vs omnipotent and note that, by definition, there cannot be omnipotence since both the overcoming and the failure to fully overcome his opponent would be limiting his power.
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It actually works fine, in fact it works almost too well since omnipotence is a conceptual force in itself. If people insist the definition makes the man, then we cannot forfiet logic in the case.

If we leave feats at the door to claim "omnipotent wins because he is omnipotent" and nothing else, then one can pose an omnipotent vs omnipotent and note that, by definition, there cannot be omnipotence since both the overcoming and the failure to fully overcome his opponent would be limiting his power.
We are over assuming if we think two Omnipotents would want to fight!!!
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We are over assuming if we think two Omnipotents would want to fight!!!
We are over assuming if we think Goku and Superman would want to fight as well, but we are in the BG.
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We are over assuming if we think Goku and Superman would want to fight as well, but we are in the BG.
That is true as well. This is why most fights here can never be "real". The wishes of someone who doesn`t want to fight would change how one fights.

But Omnipotent vs Omnipotent is even more. You cannot force Omnipotent to fight!!!
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That is well true. This is why most fights here can never be objective.

But Omnipotent vs Omnipotent is even more. You cannot force Omnipotent to fight!!!
Yes we can simply by putting their name in the title and a "vs" inbetween.
It isn't a question of what we can't do, but rather what they can do.
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Yes we can simply by putting their name in the title and a "vs" inbetween.
It isn't a question of what we can't do, but rather what they can do.
But since they are Omnipotents they can decide just to let it be two written names and "vs" in between and simply not fight!!!
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Enough of this.
Point being is just being an omnipotent by name doesn't mean you automatically win everything. Without feats, its just a word.
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Enough of this.
Point being is just being an omnipotent by name doesn't mean you automatically win everything. Without feats, its just a word.
That I mostly agree with. But you`d need infinite amount of feats to prove anything about Omnipotency at all.

Anyway, I agree we should end this specific debate!!!
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While omnipotence in fiction has that relativity going about it depending on the character.

For example in fiction there is relative omnipotence such as:

Shuma Gorath is omnipotent only in his chaos dimension.

Or an Universal level only omnipotent, compared to that of Eternity or even Living Tribunal.

However we are talking about true omnipotence as in Omnipotent of literally everything.

If that is the case, why do we need feats for that?
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What makes an omnipotent?
Aside from someone calling them an omnipotent of course.
Precisely that.
If the author says it, it's true.

It's different than hype.
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However we are talking about true omnipotence as in Omnipotent of literally everything.

If that is the case, why do we need feats for that?
Because to disprove their omnipotence all we would have to do is pit them against another omnipotent.

As I said, Kami Tenchi vs TOAA, who would win?
Or TOAA vs all, who would win?

And theres no proofing he is indeed omnipotent of everything
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