Tsunade vs Tobirama

[king kakashi]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Tobirama has feats, just crappy ones fighting Hiruzen.

he has no space time feats
no ET feats
he has no feats that help in this debate

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Kioroshi.

TOBIRAMA WINS CUZ TSUNADE SUCKS!!!!!! RAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.











No seriously tobirama has no feats but he has a nice hype.ET,Space time ninjutsu,greatest water style user of his time....

Tobirama using edo tensi is not in his character. he has space-time attacks but how will he use it as an attack

So what if he is the greatest water style user (water style never killed anyone)

Plus Tsunade is the greates medic so what is your point

[king kakashi]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Tobirama using edo tensi is not in his character. he has space-time attacks but how will he use it as an attack

So what if he is the greatest water style user (water style never killed anyone)
this i have to dissagree with water is one of the most dangerous element it is the only one that can consume an entire playing field
Plus Tsunade is the greates medic so what is your point

in red
everything else i can agree with

[Yellow Flash]

Unless I'm color blind, it was Hashirama, the one with long black hair, that used Kokuangyo.

I don't know why you think that you can use anime feats over manga ones, but around here you use manga. It's the only true canon.

[Sagepain]

^ You didin't read the OP?

ALL FEATS.

That includes anime for this fight. Tobirama is essentially useless without it.

[BoxHead]

Tsunade stomps, seeing how Tobirama has little to no feats.

But, I'm sure Tobirama>Tsuande

[PrinceofPeace]

Tobirama has not shown the ability to flood a field

[Naruto the Sage of Life]

You can't even really debate this fight very well. Honestly I believe that Tobirama could beat Tsunade. However going by feats, Tsunade wins unless Tobirama uses his prep to use his edo tensei, however we don't know its limitations so we cannot use it in this fight. Furthermore, right or wrong its obviously been used by Tobirama before. He must have used it for Madara to have copied the handseals. Tobirama probably saw the potential for evil intent with this technique, bascially he foresaw people like kabuto and orochimaru coming around and stealing his technique. However I would put his Edo Tensei at a level below Orochimaru's however even it is still weaker, logically I believe that he would still be able to win.

Basically, going on pure feats alone Tsunade wins. However, it is important to note the when comparing Orochimaru's Edo Tensei to the real kages their abilites don't match up. If what Madara said was true about Hashi, then he should have crushed not only the entire leaf village but Sarutobi aswell. Logically, since Hashi was not summoned at full streanght, we should assume his brother wasn't as well. Furthermore, we have a small glimpse at Hashi's power when Madara uses his wood techniques. Hashi never utilized the techniques showcased by Madara, which is another example as to why Orochimaru's Edo Tensei was not complete.

[PrinceofPeace]

Well said for a beginner

Even if Tobirama did use Edo-Tensi it would not help very much

Tobirama's edo tensi would be weaker than oro's so they might not be able to even regenerate.

Plus Edo tensi takes time. Tsunade would be able to summon her slugs and use acid to burn Tobirama and the coffins.

Her opponets would not be able to get close or BOOM Tsunade knocks you into NEXT WEEK

Also with her AMAZING healing abilites and slugs it will be hard for her to die. And Tsunade has shown the ability to use the Leaf's defense system against her enemies.(Mechanical Eight Trigrams Formation Drum)

and What happens when Tsunade uses genjutsu binding OR ues Body Pathway Derangement on the Tobirama IF THIS HAPPENS HE CAN NOT CONTROL THE EDO'S AND WILL BE A SITTING DUCK. If you think Tsunade will not hit Tobirama AT LEAST ONCE then you are seriously doubting her abilities.

Tsunade has posion at hand if need as welll

Tsunade's slugs will also keep her out of genjutsu.

Water style is his only way of winning AND WATER STYLE NEVER EVEN KILLED ANYONE. water can be as hard as steel... and Tsunade can EASILY burst through steel.

Tsunade wins this

[Yellow Flash]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Tobirama has not shown the ability to flood a field

He's the greatest water style user, ever. And did you not see the water jutsu he used against Hiruzen...?

[Marfi]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Even if Tobirama did use Edo-Tensi it would not help very much

Tobirama's edo tensi would be weaker than oro's so they might not be able to even regenerate.

If my memory serves right then I remember you saying not to guess when I said that if someone like Zabuza can use hidden-mist jutsu and water prison jutsu then why the best water style user the 2nd hokage can't use them.Yet you're guessing Tobirama's E.T. won't be powerful enough.That they MIGHT not regenerate.

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

And Tsunade has shown the ability to use the Leaf's defense system against her enemies.(Mechanical Eight Trigrams Formation Drum)

ha ha ha MAN!!!I had a feeling that you're talking about this but now I know.You're taking this from some filler.Sorry for off topic.

By the way well said "Naruto the Sage of Life"

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by Yellow Flash

He's the greatest water style user, ever. And did you not see the water jutsu he used against Hiruzen...?

You mean the ones that Kakashi, Kabuto and a number of un-named fodder were able to replicate?

He was never stated to be the greatest suiton user ever, he was just supposed to be a master of it.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by Marfi

If my memory serves right then I remember you saying not to guess when I said that if someone like Zabuza can use hidden-mist jutsu and water prison jutsu then why the best water style user the 2nd hokage can't use them.Yet you're guessing Tobirama's E.T. won't be powerful enough.That they MIGHT not regenerate.



ha ha ha MAN!!!I had a feeling that you're talking about this but now I know.You're taking this from some filler.Sorry for off topic.

By the way well said "Naruto the Sage of Life"

Tobirama's E.T. was worse than Oro so its possible they were

not very strong
had limited chakra/jutsu
could not use jutsu
could not rgenerate ... or very slow to
hard to control

also Oro did not move when he was controllling E.T. so Tobirama problably stood still

[king kakashi]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Tobirama's E.T. was worse than Oro so its possible they were

not very strong
had limited chakra/jutsu
could not use jutsu
could not rgenerate ... or very slow to
hard to control

also Oro did not move when he was controllling E.T. so Tobirama problably stood still

Tobirama invented it but would never use it because he never mastered it and because it was evil

[PrinceofPeace]

That is why Tsunade would win.... and she has lots of feats

[Uchiha Sora]

ALL FEATS?

Tsunade tears open a fissure and Tobirama falls inside. Then she closes it back up.

Or maybe she just punches him miles away into a volcano and causes it to erupt.

[Kioroshi.]

^ game feats lol.You are bringing game feats into this? :P

[Uchiha Sora]

He said all feats :P

Oh ultimate ninja... Where neji can use kamehameha and Rasengan busts mountains

[TobiramaSenju307]

tobiramas only useful jutsu is ET and since its IC, he would NEVER use it.

Again. Water Style has never killed ANYONE

suigetsu did drown juugo and knock him out.

[PrinceofPeace]

BUt did Juugo die????? NO

Water style can kill but it has not yet

Tobirama can not win this