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Old 06-19-2012, 11:21 AM   #121
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Disagreeing with someone does not make you a troll, nor does it make you a biased fanboy of any kind. It's the point of debating.
when you're beating a dead horse, failing to provide valid evidence and using non canon sources?

yeah that makes you a troll
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I can provide canon material that says Goku can beat superman unrestricted. I can provide Canon material that says narutoverse can beat him. It's all about location.
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I have canon material that says goku doesnt even have 100 ton strength
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I can provide canon material that says Goku can beat superman unrestricted. I can provide Canon material that says narutoverse can beat him. It's all about location.
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I have canon material that says Superman can be hurt by Goku.
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I have canon material that says Superman can be hurt by Goku.
then post it.



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I have canon material that says Superman can be hurt by Goku.
you mean the infamous fence post scene?

it came from a comic where Guy Gardener loudly declared Doomsday was faster than the flash and then immediately after a Granny and a fat construction worker easily dodged his blows and ran away from him before he could reach them

clearly..not valid

and if you mean the wizards of the coast fight again not canon
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No I mean Darsied's Omega Effect which hurt Superman while it wasn't at it's full power

Does that compare to a planet busting Kamehameha or no?
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No I mean Darsied's Omega Effect which hurt Superman while it wasn't at it's full power

Does that compare to a planet busting Kamehameha or no?
no, not at all

One of Darkseid's deadliest weapons, capable of annihilating almost anything in the path of the Beams.
The Omega Effect is a strange force of entropy, perhaps a destructive side to the often creative nature of the Source.
It is Darkseid's possession of the Omega Effect that allows him to fire his Omega Beams from his eyes. These beams are capable of vaporising, erasing, or transmuting any form of matter, living or non-living. They can send/retrieve something from different places, times, dimensions, and even universes.
Darkseid uses his Omega Beam to send Batman back in time at the climax of Final Crisis. From there Batman must journey through time in order to get back home.
It is practically impossible to avoid, dodge or deflect Darkseid's Omega Beams, as the beams are able to make sharp turns around obstacles and few can withstand a direct hit from them.
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a planet buster is going to hurt superman?
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thats a supernova
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Well at least the strongest Kamehameha Goku can produce should take him down, since a held back Omega Effect hurt him quite a lot. Although that's probably one of his inconsistencies

Cell's Solar Kamehameha was stated to be a solar system buster.


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lol character statements are valid now. so im guessing you think saiyan saga vegeta is stronger than kid boo.

-Vegeta did say he was the strongest in the universe during the saiyan saga

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Why would he be stronger than Kid Buu? Assuming you''re referencing Vegeta doing kid buu level attacks, those are easily planet buster. Anyone above Vegeta, if not Frieza, can bust a planet.
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Why would he be stronger than Kid Buu? Assuming you''re referencing Vegeta doing kid buu level attacks, those are easily planet buster. Anyone above Vegeta, if not Frieza, can bust a planet.
-i edited the post, he said he was the strongest in the universe.

but ill argue using logic, vegeta not knowing beings like dabra (who far outclassed vegeta even freeza in all aspects) existing makes his claim invalid. The same way how cell shouldnt know much ki it would take to bust a solar system much less a star. Especially due to the fact that he was only alive for 3 years and like 2 weeks. And its not like he was going around busting planets in those 3 years he was practically a bug walking around.

even more logic. In the manga it was shown that goku could eaisly transform into ssj2 in the blink of an eye, it was stated by vegeta (who should know gohans power considering he was next to him during the cell games) That ssj2 Goku was stronger than ssj2 gohan during the cell games.
SSJ2 gohan beat cell with only half of his power and used an uncharged kamehameha, to beat cells "solar system buster". Vegeta "helped" but thats because gohan was holding back and didnt release the full extent of his half power

Kid boo charges an attack that goku says that he and vegeta cant deflect, and insteads grabs dende and mr satan and flees. Goku, who can eaisly transform into ssj2, should far exceed the power of Half powered cell saga ssj2 gohan. And vegeta, who showed he could go ssj2 almost as casually as goku, who can add a good amount of power along with goku, together couldnt deflect kid boos blast. All that blast did was destroy the earth.

Meaning that the blast kid boo shot should be stronger than the kamehameha that cell shot. Considering Goku and Vegeta realized that they couldnt do anything about his blast. But again it only busted earth, it didnt even effect any surrounding planets. So going by logic Cell lied or had no clue what he was talking about
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Being the strongest warrior in the universe is hyperbole, you know like "this is so long, it's taking forever."

Cell's statement about busting the solar system, however, is not. Every now and then in dragonball z someone is like "OMG he's going to destroy the planet with that attack!" it's pretty obvious that they're not kidding. We should trust Cell especially when he knows when an attack is going to destroy a planet like Goku's SS1 Kamehameha before he IT'd to Cell and blew up his upper body.

But DBZ does have it's inconsistencies, I'll give you that.
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Word Of God: Should not be used as evidence unless directly supported by on panel feats. Inconsistent writers can be impeached and declared invalid if what they intended to portray does not support what occurred on panel. Writers make spoken word errors all the time and narration can be flawed. While you can use proven reliable character statements they should always be backed up by feats suggesting that such a thing is possible. When not supported by such evidence a statement no matter who makes it is invalid.

that is the rule on that and lets just agree to disagree on this fight and let the thread die
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Being the strongest warrior in the universe is hyperbole, you know like "this is so long, it's taking forever."

Cell's statement about busting the solar system, however, is not. Every now and then in dragonball z someone is like "OMG he's going to destroy the planet with that attack!" it's pretty obvious that they're not kidding. We should trust Cell especially when he knows when an attack is going to destroy a planet like Goku's SS1 Kamehameha before he IT'd to Cell and blew up his upper body.

But DBZ does have it's inconsistencies, I'll give you that.
cells statement shouldnt be taken as hyperbole because stronger attacks have done less damage? Thats practically what you are saying. You realize practically every major z-senshi has at least seen the extent of full power freeza, right? The same reason why if a character says "OMG HE IS GOING TO BUST THE PLANET!!!!!!" they have a source to base it on.
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Mega you are wrong for multiple reasons. One Darkseid Omega beam is not really a destructive attack. It is more of an attack that has an effect like frs.That being said I don't think supes can tank frs or similiar attacks like the Omega beam and be ok. Also I dare someone to challenge frs I will have so many scans of supes getting F***ed up by less on here faster than you can blink.
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Hey, in entirety, I'm impressed he knows of Darksied's omega beam and how it hit supes. It shows that he does indeed read some parts, but the difference in appearence of power is a good thing to note.

But still, he beats a dead horse with Neji and on one hand yeah, it gets annoying sometimes. But it lasted 7 pages of us looking into feats, so we've done something constructive here. Above that, this debate will exist forever. People believe Goku is lightspeed all over the web (DamnLoL had a picture of super vs Goku, 95% of people thought Goku would win so my guess is gross misinformation), or that "instant transmission" is as it says, being instant. The debate will eventually be back and we have this to reference now.

Mega, if you truely believe Special Beam Cannon is light speed, explain how it took 3 seconds to get to Raditz from about 55 meters away, or how Vegeta avoided it inside of Buu from about 20 meters and it took a rough second and a half to get to him. The name might imply "light" as the effect of it being a beam, and thus giving off light, but I'm doubting it to mean it is made up of light or moving at light speed.
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