Who can solo DBZ?

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Taka-hebi1

Ichigo Vasto lordes?

If its from the HST, then for the most part it loses to someone like General Tao.

[JLI2infinity]

He slammed down multiple star carriers casually, cloaked an entire planet in illusion and then removed it from sight, manipulated black holes... So no, I don't think its out of the reach since most DBZ people are, what...

6'2 maybe? Much smaller than a carrier.

And your assuming that king kai and etc can just IT out of the pull of a black hole? Mind you, IT still has activation time. And they can't go anywhere that Luke can't just put them back into. He can literally drop them directly into the core of the black hole, and the gravity will have compressed them into nothingness before they can raise a finger.

I need proofing IT is faster as well, because if so then why would Goku ever lose fights? Or have to fight anyone in general when he can just blip them away?
And before you say "PIS", please remember it took him a while to IT cell away, and longer for him to get back to his home planet. The return home should've been almost instant since it took a few days for a spaceship to get to namek, and theres no reason for the plot to have made him wait aside from it not being that fast.

Also luke can mass mind-rape the DBZverse for the most part, since none of them have shown any resistance to that kind of thing on the level of casual planetary. But regardless of all of this, they can't touch him even if they escape because of his reactions and near precog.

Piccolo has all the knowledge of Kami one of the most powerful elders of the Dragon Clan, he meditates for days on end focusing his abilities, Vegeta has indomitable will and pride being able to completely control the great ape transformation, Goku has also been seen meditating and has continued fighting based on pure spirit alone. Not to mention along with Gohan and Trunks they all have experienced the psychological torment that is the hyperbolic time chamber. To say they have no psychological training is a joke. No one is getting mind raped.

The only reason it took him time to IT Cell away was because he was saying goodbye to his friends and family.

You are COMPLETELY overhyping Luke's reaction times. I can't even tell you how ridiculous your're being. Yes he does have precog. and yes he was able to guide the ship moving at lightspeed to a safe landing using the force but that is much different than physically reacting and moving at lightspeed. The greatest feat achieved by force speed is being able to run vertically along a wall for a short period of time. That is laughable compared to what even DB characters can do. On top of that do you remember all the times Luke has been hurt or matched in battle. If you dare say that he was swinging his sword faster than light I will reach through the computer and strangle you.

And you haven't even answered my point about the lightsaber being able to cut a DBZ character. What's to stop Piccolo from going right up to Luke and cutting him in half. Even with precog. by the time Luke can even raise his arm it will have been cut off. This is a classic case of your brain can keep up but your body can't. It is physically impossible for Luke to move at the speeds I mentioned earlier. Luke almost died from a fall. He just can't win this. Even if three extremely low tier characters were to rush at him he wouldn't be able to stop it, even Mr. Popo moved faster than lightning.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

Piccolo has all the knowledge of Kami one of the most powerful elders of the Dragon Clan, he meditates for days on end focusing his abilities, Vegeta has indomitable will and pride being able to completely control the great ape transformation, Goku has also been seen meditating and has continued fighting based on pure spirit alone. Not to mention along with Gohan and Trunks they all have experienced the psychological torment that is the hyperbolic time chamber. To say they have no psychologically training is a joke. No one is getting mind raped.

Let me restate this, its planetary. HBT and your ideals of their meditation giving them immunity is nothing but wank, as much as I hate the word. Proof me them ever resisting mind control on a level where a planet's worth of people are controlled by one person.

The only reason it took him time to IT Cell away was because he was saying goodbye to his friends and family.

He could've IT'd him away, went back, and had a beer with them.

You are COMPLETELY overhyping Luke's reaction times. I can't even tell you how ridiculous your're being. Yes he does have precog. and yes he was able to guide the ship moving at lightspeed to a safe landing using the force but that is much different than physically reacting and moving at lightspeed. The greatest feat achieved by force speed is being able to run vertically along a wall for a short period of time. That is laughable compared to what even DB characters can do. On top of that do you remember all the times Luke has been hurt or matched in battle. If you dare say that he was swinging his sword faster than light I will reach through the computer and strangle you.

Nah, well maybe. Lazors are usually depicted at being around light speed, but he doesn't have to swing his sword or stand. No one resists planet mind-rape.


And you haven't even answered my point about the lightsaber being able to cut a DBZ character. What's to stop Piccolo from going right up to Luke and cutting him in half. Even with precog. by the time Luke can even raise his arm it will have been cut off. This is a classic case of your brain can keep up but your body can't. It is physically impossible for Luke to move at the speeds I mentioned earlier. Luke almost died from a fall. He just can't win this. Even if three extremely low tier characters were to rush at him he wouldn't be able to stop it, even Mr. Popo moved faster than lightning.

I did when I said "he doesn't need to cut anyone, hell he doesn't even need to stop meditating."

Closest they have is Babidi because of his own mind-magic, and even then he finds himself in the heart of a black hole, facing speggetification like everyone else.

[Taka-hebi1]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

If its from the HST, then for the most part it loses to someone like General Tao.

I dont think general tao dopon wave can stop a mega cero or keep up with ichigo.

[NBT]

Jorgen Bon Strangle

[Frost ninja]

If you can't proof me planetary+ levels of mental aptitude, they all lose eventually simply because of force immersion and him whittling away at their minds little by little. The only way is for them to ring themselves out by going out of range.

[shinigan no sora]

@taka hebi

No..

@NBT

Indeed it has low teir fodders that can warp reality and are FTL in the second half and relativistic multi continent busters by the end of part one

[321zigzag3]

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Taka-hebi1

I dont think general tao dopon wave can stop a mega cero or keep up with ichigo.

Ichigo is... what...

Hypersonic+ at best?
Tao is massively hypersonic. Ichi gets blitzed by a long shot.

[Taka-hebi1]

I dont know anybody that powerful just saying so i just came in said somebody and i got a argument going whoo!!!.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Taka-hebi1

I dont know anybody that powerful just saying.

I came off a bit brash, sorry.

I'll put it this way, I suppose. Ichigo, at max speed, was hypersonic+ which is around 7-10 mach. General Tao from Dragon Ball was calced (not scaled, but calced) to be mach 14. A stretch of 4 mach in a case like this is usually ground for a blitz.

If you want to look up someone powerful, do some research on The Flash. He is up there in some of the highest terms of power.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by shinigan no sora

@taka hebi

No..

@NBT

Indeed it has low teir fodders that can warp reality and are FTL in the second half and relativistic multi continent busters by the end of part one

Da h*ll are you talking about?

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by NBT

Da h*ll are you talking about?

I think he meant Oddparent verse, where low tier people have had access to wishes, and in the later series they are all running around dodging light beams or something.

[JLI2infinity]

@FrostNinja

1.) Goku decided to die because he wanted to stop attracting villains to Earth.

2.) Fine, I will give you Luke controlling their minds, doesn't matter because that is useless against the Androids who are all SS level in strength.

3.) If you seriously insist on continuing this fight. There's a guy from the Ginyu force who can hold his breath and freeze time. There you lose. This guy holds his breath, fires a ki blast just a little stronger than something even Baby Gohan could do and boom, Luke Skywalker goes on to join the force, end of fight. Since the only things you could offer were mind rape and force folding I've defeated the only thing you had that would let Luke beat the DBZverse.

[shinigan no sora]

Wouldn't you like to know

[Taka-hebi1]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I came off a bit brash, sorry.

I'll put it this way, I suppose. Ichigo, at max speed, was hypersonic+ which is around 7-10 mach. General Tao from Dragon Ball was calced (not scaled, but calced) to be mach 14. A stretch of 4 mach in a case like this is usually ground for a blitz.

If you want to look up someone powerful, do some research on The Flash. He is up there in some of the highest terms of power.

Vastos lordes Hypersonic?

kk

[NBT]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I think he meant Oddparent verse, where low tier people have had access to wishes, and in the later series they are all running around dodging light beams or something.

Oh.Well Jorgen is multiversal.

[JLI2infinity]

Originally Posted by NBT

Oh.Well Jorgen is multiversal.

Jorgen stomps lol. So does Jimmy Neutron with prep.

But seriously after I just remembered Guldo of the Ginyu Force's ability I don't see anyone beating the DBZverse that can't take planet busting level blasts, since Guldo should have the power to destroy a solar system being more powerful than Saiyan Saga Vegeta and all.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by JLI2infinity

@FrostNinja

1.) Goku decided to die because he wanted to stop attracting villains to Earth.

And then he came back...?

2.) Fine, I will give you Luke controlling their minds, doesn't matter because that is useless against the Androids who are all SS level in strength.

Yeah, I considered that. And then I realized they get turned into aluminum cans by force crush.

3.) If you seriously insist on continuing this fight. There's a guy from the Ginyu force who can hold his breath and freeze time. There you lose. This guy holds his breath, fires a ki blast just a little stronger than something even Baby Gohan could do and boom, Luke Skywalker goes on to join the force, end of fight. Since the only things you could offer were mind rape and force folding I've defeated the only thing you had that would let Luke beat the DBZverse.

Holding your breath is one thing, sure. Until you realize he is being mind raped. Holding his breath won't let him last long enough to launch any attack, especially when Luke can passive force-shield which tanked an imperial walker chin blast (Stronger than Guido blasts).


So yeah, hold your breath to prevent anyone stronger from attacking, fail to attack, and then have your mind overcome. Luke could even go so far as to Jedi-mind-trick Guido into holding time while he space folds people.


Good idea.

[Taka-hebi1]

So this fight can involve any anime?