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Old 05-11-2012, 07:17 PM   #21
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No, he's really not. You're just overestimating Kakashi.

Kakashi was considered for the position of Hokage.
Do you get that? FRIGGIN HOKAGE! Of course the position
was a bit tainted with Tsunade. But hey mistakes are made!
It's clear that Tsunade was the Hokage Pro Tempore until
someone more suitable like Danzo would take up the position.
But unfortantely Danzo died in the line of duty against the traitor Sasuke.
But still Kakashi is hardly seen as weak.

Why hasn't Kakashi been doing so well?

It's simple. He's fighter stronger opponents and not improving fast enough.

And I hate to break it to you but Kakashi wasn't really fighting anyone
too terribly strong in the beginning anyways. He struggled against Zabuza
and stood no chance against Itachi. Now with MS Kakashi can take on several of the Hidden Mist 7 swordsmen. Kakashi has improved.
He's a ladykiller to boot.
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He's a ladykiller to boot.
True.

He unintentionally murdered Haku...
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Haku was a dude
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:42 AM   #24
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he'd better be in the eps...i wanna watch his rampage in the war!!
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A little spoiler about Kakashi in the war for those who are interested.


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I admit, Kakashi should be way stronger than Kishimoto portrays him in the series.

However, Sasuke and Naruto have gifts they were born with that allow them to develop much faster (at least in the sense of power). With Naruto it's his Nine-Tails chakra which lets him use the shadow clone training technique and increases his abilities' strength and his chakra amount and with Sasuke it's his hatred, his Uchiha blood (good genes), and the fact that he's been passed around like a baseball and trained by many of the most evil characters in the show.
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I understand that the next generation should be stronger and I don't argue that Naruto and Sasuke are at Hax levels.

But it's obvious Kishi screwed Kakashi over, there was absolutely no reason to name Kakashi the copy Ninja because it hasn't added anything to the series so far. 90% of his jutsu used is Lightening Blade, his title is meaningless. This is the main reason people think Kakashi was screwed. If we had seen at least a quarter of his copied jutsu then maybe people wouldn't complain so much, but the fact that he makes no use of the jutsu he copied yet boasts his title is simply pointless.

I was pissed at the way he lost to Pain, he almost killed Pain as well but that stupid mechanical pain got in the way (so in total, Kakashi only took down one pain). It should not have been as easy as it was.

Kakashi should have been able to take down either Hidan or Kakazu on his own too, but nope he got screwed again.

I think overall Kishi just downgraded Kakashi so much over the time skip. He made little improvement from the time he was promoted to Jonin (hardly any except for the fact he gained the Sharingan). And if the storyline is about the next generation succeeding the old one, then why did Kakashi not surpass the likes of his senses Minato, or Jiraya even though Kakashi was the prodigy of his era.

Kishimoto just flopped his character completely in my opinion.
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What are you talking about, kakashi obtained a mangekyo sharingan without having to suffer a a great loss or trauma. He did improve,but his opponents are at a different level in shippunden. Though if you didn't see it coming, you haven't seen enough of these types of series.

By the end naruto is gonna be a god like figure who can influence any nation by the end of the series.
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What are you talking about, kakashi obtained a mangekyo sharingan without having to suffer a a great loss or trauma. He did improve,but his opponents are at a different level in shippunden. Though if you didn't see it coming, you haven't seen enough of these types of series.

By the end naruto is gonna be a god like figure who can influence any nation by the end of the series.
That's the only thing he gained during the 3 years. It doesn't even make a difference because after he uses Kamui once he can barely walk. In fact it's that same jutsu that lead to his death against Pain.

And we all know how powerful Naruto will become at the end of the series, no one is disputing that but Kakashi should have at least been able to beat Hidan and Kakuzu if Shikamaru and a barely improved Naruto were a me to. He should have killed the Tendo pain but got screwed their also. Then he faced Sasuke who had just faced the five Kage and danzo yet was still able to stand against Kakashi, Kakashi who had only used Kamui once was already exhausted while Sasuke still has Susanoo activated.
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He unintentionally murdered Haku...
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Everyone knows who he is..whenever Sasuke uses Chidori his enemy always says: 'just like Hatake Kakashi'
He's wide known for his copying and stuff.
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lol i love this conversation about Haku. Anyways Kakashi is underdevoloped and Tsunade was not chosen to be Hokage to hole position. Danzo and Kakashi were considered to hold her spot while she was IN A COMA!!!
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Well Kishi is planning on giving him more to do sooner or later so we might see way more jutsus out of him then. But yeah so far we haven't come close to seeing all the jutsus he copied we might have seen a lot by now but still I wouldn't be surprised if he had more jutsus that we haven't even seen during the story yet.
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Kakashi is one of the important characters in the Naruto series. His job was to look over Naruto, requested by the 3rd Hokage, but kinda the same from the 4th Hokage's request too. I mean they were in the same team with Minato as his Sensei.
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^^Kakashi...solid? Please, Kakashi did a full 180 personality wise. He started off a dark, harsh, realistic character that was capable of carrying the series on his own. This slowly faded away, granted we still saw some moments, such as his conversation with Sasuke before the Sound 4 arrived. But he had all but disappeared in Part 2. Part 1 Kakashi is the best because while Kakashi still is one of the best characters in the manga, Part 1 Kakashi had the potential to be one of the best characters of any manga, and Kishi ruined that.

Kakashi is still the deepest and best character in the series, but a lot of that came from his mentor role as Team 7 captain (specifically his fail guidance of Sasuke). Now he's slowed down a lot because the team isn't together and the fact Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed him
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[1/7/2014 9:25:36 AM] Tuus Deus(CoP): I know Daph spends all her time staring at Kakashi pictures

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Old 08-15-2012, 02:56 AM   #40
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Default Re: Kishi screwed Kakashi?

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I understand that the next generation should be stronger and I don't argue that Naruto and Sasuke are at Hax levels.

But it's obvious Kishi screwed Kakashi over, there was absolutely no reason to name Kakashi the copy Ninja because it hasn't added anything to the series so far. 90% of his jutsu used is Lightening Blade, his title is meaningless. This is the main reason people think Kakashi was screwed. If we had seen at least a quarter of his copied jutsu then maybe people wouldn't complain so much, but the fact that he makes no use of the jutsu he copied yet boasts his title is simply pointless.
Saying he copied 1000 jutsus is same as saying the 3rd knew every single jutsu in Konoha. We never got to see if that was true either. Kakashi is the best example of what a ninja should be like and I don't think any examples are required to prove this one point.
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I was pissed at the way he lost to Pain, he almost killed Pain as well but that stupid mechanical pain got in the way (so in total, Kakashi only took down one pain). It should not have been as easy as it was.
He took on Deva without any knowledge of his abilities. He managed to figure out his techniques and the interval in between, which helped Naruot a lot when he himself fought Deva. Also there are certain limits on every character in any story. The entire point of Pain arc was to show Naruto's development and had Kakashi Kamui'd off Deva's head in the beginning it would never have happened. Although now we know that Kakashi has improved so much that he has lasted an entire day in the war even after using his Sharingan non stop.
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Kakashi should have been able to take down either Hidan or Kakazu on his own too, but nope he got screwed again.
If, just as an example, you were to partner Usain Bolt in a 100 x 4 relay race then you cant go and blame Bolt for not winning the Gold (or any medal for that matter). Half the time Kakashi had to look after useless Ino and dumb Choji. Had he been fighting alone the result could have been different.
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