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Old 04-21-2012, 06:22 PM   #21
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^ not even 1- tailed lmao, Naruto beat him with just a chakra boost.

Mei spits on Haku.
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I could beat Mei easily my crystal ice mirrors were pure speed i was moving so fast it looked like there was like 20 me's i can freeze her water techniques all of them with water in them can be frozen and redirected and i also have wind and water so
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SIGH!!! I don't understand why some fans never got this Haku was overrated, in the power scale he is just a very skilled genin. Kishi wanted to make it special for the fans when we were watching Naruto's first every fight to the death, so he surrounded Haku with a lot of hype. Kakashi said something like "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me." He was OBVIOUSLY exaggerating, there are no kids younger than Naruto that are S class at least not in the recent generations...the only people I think were even capable of such a thing were Hiruzen, The Third Raikage, Danzo, Minato, and maybe some Uchihas or Onoki depending on when he learned Dust Release.

Haku does NOT move at light speed it was just Kishi's artistic license taking over. It should be obvious by the fact that Sasuke could even see Haku's movement with sharingan (when he couldn't even keep track of Lee with his weights on) or that 0 Tailed Naruto grabbed Haku by the leg. Haku at most was just a chuunin level opponent with a powerful but incomplete KKG. To make this even more obvious Kishi went back and scaled Haku down in the databook so people could get a true sense of his strength here are his stats

Ninjutsu 3.5
Taijutsu 1
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Intelligence 4
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Speed 4
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Hand Seals 4
OVERALL 21

Stop comparing Haku to any S class character it's a joke, special jonin are Haku's absolute limit. Mei is probably skilled enough with just taijutsu to take Haku down not to mention Haku's ice mirrors couldn't be melted by a fire technique "of that level." People need to stop comparing all fire techniques to genin Sasuke's fireball technique. Moves like Sasuke's fireball could barely toast Naruto (when he got hit by them multiple times) while Sasori's flamethrowers were hot enough to melt rock and Mei said her lava could melt the flesh off of bone.
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1.All that typing was unnecessary
2.Most everyone here already knows Kishimoto has no idea what he's talking about.
3.That databook crap ain't worth a *censored* here.
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1.All that typing was unnecessary
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3.That databook crap ain't worth a *censored* here.
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1. Did I ask?
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3. Funny because it's canon material even if it is debatable.
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Databook doesn't mean sh!t here on this forum, lolz. Feats from the manga only count I think.
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Tbh I don't think Mei could melt the mirrors before she gets raped by senbom
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Hidden Mist?

Even if Haku has time to get her mirrors up she can't see Mei, lolz.
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The mist isn't instant either. Once Mei starts creating the mist, Haku barrages her

How long does it take for Haku to set up his mirrors?
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The mist isn't instant either. Once Mei starts creating the mist, Haku barrages her

How long does it take for Haku to set up his mirrors?
That's kinda hard to say, lolz. If there is water on the ground it should only take a second, since in the manga it only takes one panel.
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GUYS !?you seriously debating 5th mizukage VS someone who got beat by 2 genins....
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To me, it feels somewhat unfair to compare a chunin-level ninja against a Kage. I do believe that Haku will put up much of a fight, though.
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Tsunade is the 5th Hokage and many Genins could beat her.
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SIGH!!! I don't understand why some fans never got this Haku was overrated, in the power scale he is just a very skilled genin. Kishi wanted to make it special for the fans when we were watching Naruto's first every fight to the death, so he surrounded Haku with a lot of hype. Kakashi said something like "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me." He was OBVIOUSLY exaggerating, there are no kids younger than Naruto that are S class at least not in the recent generations...the only people I think were even capable of such a thing were Hiruzen, The Third Raikage, Danzo, Minato, and maybe some Uchihas or Onoki depending on when he learned Dust Release.

Haku does NOT move at light speed it was just Kishi's artistic license taking over. It should be obvious by the fact that Sasuke could even see Haku's movement with sharingan (when he couldn't even keep track of Lee with his weights on) or that 0 Tailed Naruto grabbed Haku by the leg. Haku at most was just a chuunin level opponent with a powerful but incomplete KKG. To make this even more obvious Kishi went back and scaled Haku down in the databook so people could get a true sense of his strength here are his stats

Ninjutsu 3.5
Taijutsu 1
Genjutsu 1
Intelligence 4
Strength 1.5
Speed 4
Stamina 2
Hand Seals 4
OVERALL 21

Stop comparing Haku to any S class character it's a joke, special jonin are Haku's absolute limit. Mei is probably skilled enough with just taijutsu to take Haku down not to mention Haku's ice mirrors couldn't be melted by a fire technique "of that level." People need to stop comparing all fire techniques to genin Sasuke's fireball technique. Moves like Sasuke's fireball could barely toast Naruto (when he got hit by them multiple times) while Sasori's flamethrowers were hot enough to melt rock and Mei said her lava could melt the flesh off of bone.
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The reason everyone always disagrees with you is because there's no factual evidence in your posts, bar references to databooks, which aren't taken seriously here considering Kishi's horrible judgement of strength and how he rates them.

If Kishi actually had any form of just thinking in terms of stats, a couple things wouldn't have happened. One, Tsunade wouldn't have been a Hokage, since the Hokage is the strongest Ninja in the village, unless this somehow changed since I last read the manga. I can name countless people who are stronger than Tsunade in the Leaf Village.

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Since you're using databooks as the base of your argument, it's clear that you value Kishi's stats and his opinion.

What was written in the manga is that "In the ninja world there are kids younger than you, and stronger than me."

Clearly, if you take the databook's stats and use them in your debate, you should also include all dialogue and drawn proof of whatever statements you've made. Talking about his databook stats is basically saying that Kishi's word > evidence. I have no problem if that's what you want to base your argument on, but I do now, since you're inconsistent.

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Haku does NOT move at light speed it was just Kishi's artistic license taking over. It should be obvious by the fact that Sasuke could even see Haku's movement with sharingan (when he couldn't even keep track of Lee with his weights on) or that 0 Tailed Naruto grabbed Haku by the leg. Haku at most was just a chuunin level opponent with a powerful but incomplete KKG. To make this even more obvious Kishi went back and scaled Haku down in the databook so people could get a true sense of his strength here are his stats

Ninjutsu 3.5
Taijutsu 1
Genjutsu 1
Intelligence 4
Strength 1.5
Speed 4
Stamina 2
Hand Seals 4
OVERALL 21
Now, since you have taken the databook into account, and you are using it in order to prove that Mei > Haku, we must automatically assume the position of saying that Haku is in fact lightspeed.

I just find it hysterical that you prance around this section bashing people for fan wanking, essentially, however, you yourself are the biggest Kishi fan out there, using his databooks.

Again, no problem with that, but you are inconsistent, because you claim that Haku's stats are his stats and that his abilities are set in stone based on those stats, but you then turn around and say that the stats are wrong because Haku isn't lightspeed?

How could you possibly base that argument off anything if you're contradicting yourself? You can't.

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Oh that's funny, since, to my knowledge, Ebisu is the only Special Jounin (Correct me if I am wrong) and he is a fluke. Ebisu is Genin level at best. If we're counting Jutsu, he's higher because of Shadow Clones.


Mei is probably strong enough to take out Haku with just Taijutsu, huh? I think I'm beginning to see some sort of wanking here, in you. Mei hasn't displayed Taijutsu (since I last read at the beginning of the war) feats ever, yet Haku is as fast as Sasuke and was able to not only block his attacks, but also use his Jutsu while being attacked. Far more impressive than Mei.

Flesh off of bone? I can do that with my stove if I wanted to.

You have to understand that it's not pure ice, there's also chakra in it, therefore it won't be melted because it's reinforced with a difference substance that ups its resistance to fire.

Not sure if you're an idiot, or you truly believe it. My guess is idiot.
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I don't think Kishi meant FTL when he ssaid that about Haku. I think he was just using hyperbole like ammy being hotter than the sun.
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Or maybe he was just talking about the mirror reflection speed since that is in fact light speed. Clearly, Haku himself isn't faster than light.
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I don't think Kishi meant FTL when he ssaid that about Haku. I think he was just using hyperbole like ammy being hotter than the sun.
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Oh that's funny, since, to my knowledge, Ebisu is the only Special Jounin (Correct me if I am wrong) and he is a fluke. Ebisu is Genin level at best. If we're counting Jutsu, he's higher because of Shadow Clones.
Anko and Ibiki are special Jonins IIRC..............just sayin.
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